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Maui fires. Natural disaster or dark forces ar work?

Started by micjer, August 24, 2023, 12:41:00 PM

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micjer

There are numerous reports from residents that survived this "blow torch" that said it was no ordinary bush fire.

Curious what the truth is.

https://youtu.be/JDeO5cKM-KQ?si=dLuDTYR2l8Khk-bL

This vid does not indicate high winds as the town burnt
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micjer

The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

RUSSO

QuoteCurious what the truth is.

Hypothetically, what do you think the truth is?
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

micjer

At this point I am trying to gather as much info from the survivors testimonies to form an opinion.

I don't want to be too quick to jump to conclusions. 
I don't trust MSM, as  their reporting can be so manipulative.

The locals are saying that they have had many brush fires in the past but nothing that did anything like this.

Weird that there was no warning sirens, water was turned off, police blocked roads so people couldn't leave, metal was melted in places, (ordinary fires don't burn hot enough to do this)

The locals are saying that the Elite want their land for a planned 15 minute city.





The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

micjer

https://youtu.be/xVID8jENuzQ?si=a-3BrZQjq0ZrypM_


This is very good summary.

This leans toward a natural disaster, followed by poor government decisions
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

RUSSO

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

micjer

Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

ArMaP

Quote from: micjer on August 25, 2023, 01:42:53 AM
Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.
That always happens when there are large fires.

In Portugal we had to change the laws regarding selling burnt trees to stop people from starting fires to be able to sell trees that otherwise were not allowed to sell.

They also changed some laws regarding the time between a fire and the change of use of the terrain, so people would not use fires to turn a forest into an housing project.

Countries with large fires every year are used to things like this.

Littleenki

In the video of the powerlines leaning about to fall, it is clear there was high winds and the way winds interact with fire is random and unpredictable.

Properties with a lot of debris or vegetation are prone to catching fire more than manicured properties, and newer homes use more fire resistant materials in their construction, so thats why a lot of the rich folks properties appear to have escaped somewhat.

Also a lot of the properties that burned were older buildings and retail space that were likely filled with cardboard boxes full of products that are extremely flammable, as well as restaurants with grease traps and flammable propane and gas connections.

Add in a 50 mph swirling wind and the fire gets a shot at everything it touches for more than a few seconds because of the same effect you get using a bellows to light a campfire 10x quicker than just letting it catch.

As for the leeches and vultures that accompany any destruction of a property thats worth millions per 1/4 acre, they exist everwhere it happens... after Ian, for weeks DeSantis prohibited anyone from entering the damage zone who didnt live there and reducing the swooping in that goes with it.

Right now I am told friends there on Sanibel have been offered half the value of their property, and many are taking it because the insurance companies are still not dishing out the checks almost a year later.

I cant blame them though, to rebuild a new structure on one of those properties with current and incoming codes it would cost twice to three times the value of the homes that were destroyed, meaning they cant even afford to rebuild if they wanted to.

The "taking"  of property from private owners is long underway by these vultures, and its nothing new, and many of the "buyers" are subsidaries of companies like Blackrock and Vanguard. So it will continue as long as they do business in the US, although word is Blackrock may be leaving due to the stagnation of their process thanks to the poor condition of the mortgage markets and ridiculous increases in homeowners insurance, often amounting to more than the actual mortgage payment portion itself.

Space lasers would certainly be a much simpler explanation, if we could only ask Occam his opinion on things...

Cheers?? Hmm not this time😢
Le
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space otter

i saw this on the news  and thought that i realy need to move some bushes from around my patio


An aerial image shows a red roofed house that survived the fires surrounded by destroyed homes and buildings burned to the ground in the historic Lahaina in the aftermath of wildfires in western Maui in Lahaina, Hawaii on August 10, 2023. (Photo by Patrick T. Fallon/AFP via Getty Images)



here's the article and why they think this 100 year old wooden house survived

https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/natural-disasters/4168992-a-100-year-old-maui-home-is-still-standing-after-wildfires-devastated-every-other-house-in-the-area-why/

Speaking with the L.A. Times, Atwater Millikin explained that she and her husband replaced the existing asphalt roof with a commercial-grade metal one. She theorized that the flaming debris "just almost floating through the air" during the wildfires had a harder time igniting a metal roof than an asphalt one.

With a metal roof, she said, the flaming debris would "would fall off the roof and then ignite the foliage around the house."

But experts who shared their opinion with the Honolulu Civil Beat offered another theory: During the renovation, the couple removed the vegetation situated close to their home, replacing some of it with river stones.

The Millikins were hoping to deter terminates, they said, not thinking about the stones' fire-resistant properties.

Michael Wara, of the Stanford Wood Institute for the Environment, told the Civil Beat that replacing the vegetation-heavy "ember ignition zone" immediately surrounding the house with non-combustible material was likely what saved it.

Sgt.Rocknroll

Seeing how the land that's left will possibly be used, and the local emergency services reacted, I think it's a land grab. IMO
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micjer

#11
There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!

What a terrible thing to watch your home burn with no way of fighting it.
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

Sgt.Rocknroll

Quote from: micjer on August 26, 2023, 03:15:53 PM
There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!

What a terrible thing to watch your home burn with no way of fighting it.

I was more concerned about the 'police' blocking the streets to keep people from fleeing. Plus the lack of sirens that were supposed to be sounded for emergencies that were turned off!...

There was something fishy going on....IMO...
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micjer

https://youtu.be/aEsOp56PpLU?si=lV52pJ6ymU4yYkKV

It is also very suspicious that there are so many wild fires in north america and europe.

Begs the question .... is this part of an orchestrated plan to promote their climate change agenda?
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in conspiracy theory, are those of us that have studied it.    Pat Shannon

Littleenki

A new fire was extinguished this morning by Chinook helicopter crews that started suspiciously right next a to large subdivision, and locals say there is nothing they saw or heard that would explain why a random fire started in a rocky area with nearly no substantial vegetation.
https://www.youtube.com/live/UwFhQOHtITw?si=XPMqASDAHg_c140P
Where were the chinooks for Lahaiana? Only 30 minutes away, thats where.
Cheers??
Le
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