The NEW experiment!

[The Seeker]

The effect of the MRI on the aluminum is due to eddy currents, and lenz's law
Cheers, Le

Would you care to elaborate,please? that hunk of Al weighed 25 lbs and fell over in very slow motion, and the question Art posed was whether the MRI field was having a time dilation effect...


seeker

[Littleenki]

Im on mobile now, but a quick demo of it is to drop a neo magnet through a length of copper pipe, the effect will be clear in a nearly zero drop velocity. google.lenz law, and also remember, an mri is lne of the most ppwerful em fields ever!

[sky otter]

gezee..hope i am in the right thread..seems mixed info here..

anyway..not a lot of time today and just taking a water break from the garden work
and found some fun
it makes little beep and ping type noises
en~joy
water break over..back to work

http://www.history.com/topics/ufos-and-alien-invasions-in-film

http://www.history.com/topics/ufos-and-alien-invasions-in-film/interactives/ufo-hunters-map



ok..so i had some more water

here's a good uie tubie

[sky otter]

 

well looks like i need to wait for undo to show up

while i'm able to find lots of stuff..not being a movie buff has it's drawbacks

A51..maybe some clues...

[A51Watcher]

"Give us a clue then eh..."   




Since undo appears to be busy right now (whew)  , we'll just carry on. 



This 'vintage' movie was released in 1956 - 












And the reason I brought it up is we were discussing radar in connection with Roswell.


Also because this movie has a very interesting credit -








The plot is Flying Saucers arrive and begin buzzing TS military installations -









(this appears to represent Hanford)




and also Washington DC -






(this movie was released 4 years after ufo's actually buzzed the White House)




and they begin blasting everything and abducting people -








Our hero is a top scientist who has an idea about using his latest invention against the flying saucers -




...he takes it outside during a saucer attack and while aiming it at one, it is noticed it intereferes with the saucers ability to navigate. After conferring with the military a few dozen souped up models were mounted on flatbed trucks and deployed around the city -








This movie poster helps demonstrate the reality in that era, of the vast gulf differential between technologies in existence back then -








Having Maj. Donald Keyhoe as consultant is likely the reason there are so many factual case sighting elements to this film.


So then, how factual might this radar component to the film be, and it's connection to downing the craft at Roswell?






'White Sands 1953'

[Littleenki]

Wow! That gives new meaning to art as life, A51!!
Very insighful post amongst the sillyness we so seek here.
You have a great eye for the hidden!
Right in plain view!;)
Cheers!
Le

[sky otter]

computer doing it's own thing lately..see if i can get this posted

A51..thanks for all of that..
while looking around i found some interesting things..you may already have them..

http://www.ufoinfo.com/onthisday/July05.html

Encounters with Aliens on this Day....July 5

1933 - A huge circular object dropped down into the center of a formation of RAF fighter aircraft over Sussex, England. Two of the planes suffered engine failure and were forced to make emergency landings. One pilot suffered burns to his face and hands after his airplane passed close by the object. (Source: Richard Hall, From Airships to Arnold: A Preliminary Catalogue of UFO Reports in the Early 20th Century, p. 16).

1947 - There are 59 UFO reports from across the United States and one from Canada recorded for this day in UFOCAT. The geographical distribution of the UFO sightings is similar to the day before, but with many more reports from California and the Great Lakes. The majority of these reports were of flyovers by daylight discs. For a map showing the distribution of these reports, including hypothesized great circle routes or flight paths with four of more reports falling along the same line, click here.

1947 - At 8:00 a.m. two discs zoomed in from the west over Sacramento, California. One banked sharply and headed north. According to one witness, it "seemed to stand on one edge as it turned." Both objects left vapor trails. (Source: Ted Bloecher, citing the Sacramento Bee, July 7, 1947).

1947, Albuquerque, New Mexico - Five discs flew toward the east over the city at 9 o'clock in the morning; one circled back over the city. In the afternoon five witnesses saw a sphere maneuver in-and-out of clouds. (Source: Jan Aldrich, Project 1947: A Preliminary Report on the 1947 UFO Sighting Wave; Albuquerque Journal, July 6, 1947).

1947 - In Augusta, Maine at 1:15 p.m. local time, two witnesses, including the program director of WRDO Radio, saw twelve discs flying rapidly in a straight line toward Bangor in a north-northeasterly direction. (Source: Daily Kennebec Journal, July 7, 1947).
At 1:00 p.m. in 1947 a party of surveyors in Payette, Idaho saw four silvery discs that each had a dark line in the center fly toward the northwest at an estimated speed of 800 km per hour. They were lost in the clouds at an estimated altitude of 8,000 feet. (Source: Larry Hatch, U computer database, case 862).

1947 - In clear sky at 3:00 p.m. in Anaconda, Montana a man saw six silvery objects fluttering as they flew toward the east. A woman, an independent witness, also saw the same three fluttering objects disappear over the horizon. Both witnesses called the police. (Source: Jan Aldrich, A Preliminary Report on the 1947 UFO Sighting Wave, p. 80).

1947 - at 7:00 p.m. in daylight skies over Neapolis, Ohio a TWA flight crew saw a propeller-shaped object rotating slowly as it flew beneath the airliner. It was flying at an estimated speed of 200 mph. (Source: Ted Bloecher, newspaper clipping dated July 6, 1947).

1965 - On this day at six o'clock in the morning a 41-year-old man named Andersson took a photograph of a flying disc-shaped object coming out of the Russian River near Kenai, Alaska. (Sources: Anchorage Daily News, August 3, 1965; APRO Bulletin, November-December 1965).
list continues at link

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http://www.zyzyo.com/2011/04/interesting-incidents-regarding-ufo/

9.Kenneth Arnold's Mount Rainier, Washington Sightings – 1947


Two  people, from which one was a pilot and the other was businessman,  reported about the large number of waving shapes moving over Mount  Rainier. The speed of the aircraft was incredibly high. When the  aircraft landed, it was looking like saucer. After this incident the  word flying saucer was generated.

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and here is one i had not heard of before..seems like the ufo swallowed the plane..


http://ufos.about.com/od/bestufocasefiles/p/moncla.htm

1953-Pilot Felix Moncla Lost Chasing UFO
By Billy Booth,


Summary:
On November 23, 1953, one of the great mysteries of UFOs began, as an Air Defense Command Ground Intercept radar controller at Truax AFB in Madison, Wisconsin received a radar blip of an unknown object over Lake Michigan. An F-89-C Scorpion was immediately dispatched from Kincross Air Force Base to locate the target. 1st Lieutenant Felix Moncla, Jr. piloted the jet, with 2nd Lieutenant R. Wilson operating the radar.

Object Streaks over Lake Superior:
The Scorpion jet began to approach the unknown flier, but as it did, the UFO began to change its course. Moncla was flying at approximately 500 mph as it neared the UFO. Radar man Wilson was unable to accurately track the UFO, and ground control picked up the info, relaying it back to the Scorpion.
Jet Closes on UFO:
Moncla finally brought his jet to the exact spot of the UFO, but as he did, radar operators at Truax saw both blips as one. For a moment, it was expected that Moncla had gone over or under the UFO, causing the united blip, and that two blips would soon be seen again. But suddenly, the one blip faded, as no radar return was registered. Attempts to contact Moncla from ground control were unsuccessful.
Search & Rescue Dispatched:
Radar operators marked the last radar return as seventy miles off of Keweenaw Point in the upper part of Michigan. The plane and UFO were marked as 8,000 feet altitude when they both vanished. A search and rescue team, the 433rd Fighter Interceptor Squadron, was immediately summoned, but after an expansive, overnight search not a trace of the Scorpion or UFO was found.
First Official Statement:
The first official statement of the incident would be released by Norton Air Force Flying Safety Division. After what was obviously a superficial overview of the case, they issued this statement:
... "the pilot probably suffered from vertigo and crashed into the lake."

Officially, there was no indication that Moncla suffered from vertigo, a very unlikely condition for a pilot, and also he was flying by his instruments, and not using a sight and search approach.

Air Force Theories:
Efforts by the Air Force to divert any attention from a UFO explanation were immediate. They claimed that there was a Canadian DC-3 in the area, and that this was what the Scorpion was chasing, but the Canadian Air Force denied this claim. U.S. officials then claimed that a RCAF jet was in the area, but this was also negated by the Canadians. U.S. officials also claimed that the Scorpion may have exploded.
No Indication of Crash:
The problem with the crash theory is that if the Scorpion had exploded, it is very likely that some debris would have been found. But, the search found no metal fragments, oil slicks... nothing that would indicate there had been a crash. Interestingly enough, government records listed the crash as an accident, nothing more.
Case Still Unexplained:
Off the record, those close to the case believed that the loss of the Scorpion was a direct result of an encounter with the unknown object, clearly seen on radar. In recent months, the Michigan Diving Company has made assertions that they may have found the jet and the UFO, but this finding is still being investigated. See my update on the Kincross Dive Results


the page ends with a whole bunch of links on other stories..i haven't gotten to check out

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•Kenneth Arnold Sighting

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[A51Watcher]

The helical-beam antenna was invented by John Kraus in 1946.


"Helical antennas have long been popular in applications from VHF to microwaves requiring circular polarization, since they have the unique property of naturally providing circularly polarized radiation.

One area that takes advantage of this property is satellite communications.

Where more gain is required than can be provided by a helical antenna alone, a helical antenna can also be used as a feed for a parabolic dish for higher gains."

http://www.w1ghz.org/antbook/conf/Helical_feed_antennas.pdf


Others point to a phased array antenna as the culprit, but to date we have no evidence which, if any were used.   



The reason researchers today speculate on radar's role in Roswell is in part due to this FOIA memo -





I have many leads on this subject and continue to track them down and verify them.

Some contend this reaction to our radar was an accident and unintentional on our part.



Others contend it was done deliberately.


 

[sky otter]

A51
in the vid i posted above the guy speaks of the lighting storm and seeing the objects crash
at sec 54

maybe it wasn't an either / or scenario
but
a accidental mixing of lighting and radar
and that is the reason that they haven't brought down many since then..

just a thought


what weapons do we have that combine lightning like power with radar..?

[Littleenki]

Ouch! What a way to get shot down! I wonder if we dont see a lot of saucers anymore and are seeing more triangular shaped craft as a result of Roswell, and Aztec?
Are they onto us, or are they waiting to strike?
Hmmmm.
Le

[Linda Brown]

OR.... maybe it was a weapon that utilized an essence of both radar and a lightning strike. And maybe once " shot down" ( Maybe by accident. Will we ever know?) Perhaps Intelligent beings put up a " do not interact" sign around us... Maybe that was meant?
And oddly then the AF issued a " do not shoot" order in the fifties that seems STILL to be in effect. WHY is that?

Answers coming closer and closer folks.   Linda

[A51Watcher]

sky - I am still checking all the links you have provided to make sure I have them all in the database. You just never know. 

The ones that they don't have a source listed I have to put in the grey basket until we can get confirmation elsewhere.

The "On this day" people are really bad about that. 

A51
in the vid i posted above the guy speaks of the lighting storm and seeing the objects crash
at sec 54

His name is Frank Kauffman. He speaks of radar operaters seeing an unusual radar return (ufo) leave the screen and they assumed it had crashed. He did not see it visually, only on radar.

Sadly Frank has been legitimatly discredited as a fraud. So has Gerald Anderson. 

maybe it wasn't an either / or scenario
but
a accidental mixing of lighting and radar
and that is the reason that they haven't brought down many since then..

just a thought


what weapons do we have that combine lightning like power with radar..?

I see what your getting at and I agree, and I think most people do also.

To us, radar appears too weak and flimsy to be used as a weapon that forces craft from the sky. We use radar on our aircraft every day with no ill effects, so an even more advanced craft would certainly have no problem either right?

Consider that flying advanced craft through terrain at insane speeds can not be done manually. You would slam into the wall at the first turn before you could even think about turning the wheel.

It will require automation that 'sees' the oncoming terrain and automatically adjusts for it. A sudden unexpected (uncompensated for) incoming radar pulse could be seen as false terrain and thus moved away from.

...

Also I do not know of any method for being able to use lightning as a weapon. And since these craft's shape are specifically designed to prevent corona discharge (of the bazillions of volts charge present during the operation of these craft), it does not seem likely they would be unaware of or have reason to be concerned with lightning.   

...


In those days the entire country was not blanketed with radar coverage from stem to stern like we are now.

Sensitive installations most certainly were though, and it was the most powerful and cutting edge of the day.


Consider if you will an alleged quote from an unnamed witness(s) at one of these locations back then.

As a formation of flying discs passed through the area, "It was noticed that the radar beam appeared to cause a slight deviation in one of the discs flight path."

To a Pentagon war room that had been helpless as children to defend their airspace up until this point, this news would have been gold.

David now had at least something to use against Goliath, and it would not surprise me if it was Jimmy Doolittle himself who had a hand in devising that ingeniously simple scheme. 

They only had one shot at it, and it had better work because there would never be a second chance.



If true, consider the implications of this vs one of it simply crashing on it's own due to 'natural' causes.



That is what I meant when I spoke of history having a direct bearing on what is happening today.



That is why I consider getting every still- hidden report out of the newspaper archives while we still can, to be so important.

I have a few pieces of the puzzle on my table so far as to how this was done and where, and I am confident that if more pieces are unearthed, the answer to this as well as many more questions about this event and it's implications will become clear.

[sky otter]

 

A51

i had found these links and meant to add them to this thread before
been working to put in gardens so i haven't been keeping up much
but i dump stuff all the time and just re-found them..lol

hope these are some you can use

http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/1252/the-unexplained/1947-ufo-sightings-prior-to-the-roswell-incident/

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1947fullrep.htm

http://thecid.com/ufo/chrono/chrono/1946.htm

[Littleenki]

nothing here at the Largo Library microfiche lab, so good luck all with the hunt!
Ill be checking the Orlando Sentinel site to see if there are any available archives.
Cheers!
Littleenki

[A51Watcher]

nothing here at the Largo Library microfiche lab, so good luck all with the hunt!
Ill be checking the Orlando Sentinel site to see if there are any available archives.
Cheers!
Littleenki

They didn't even run the 'Army Captures Flying Disc' report huh? Very strange.