Undo's Super Gripe

[Linda Brown]

"it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing yet another negative post about christianityPerhaps we should all learn then to let our knees jerk just a little less violently?  <g>   Linda

[undo11]

"it was a knee jerk reaction to seeing yet another negative post about christianityPerhaps we should all learn then to let our knees jerk just a little less violently?  <g>   Linda

you think my thread is violent?

[andolin]

Just been here a little while, and took a while to read this thread...IMO Religion is 3D, and made, maintained, and practiced, by souls in our 3D meatsacks...Corporal ET's may or may not also do so. And YES..I am open to the possibility that our body's Physical DNA may have been manipulated or even created by ET's. I am more interested in how our "Souls" advance despite the 3D limitations of this Planet. For myself, Spirituality comes into play regardless of anything that happens in what we "perceive" as our Physical (3D) world, and just maybe this is where other dimensions come in....Perhaps souls can't advance (And become aware of their Creative origins) until our consciousness (Soul Memory) can perceive these other dimensions....It has been suggested that this can be done by certain "Religious/Spiritual" practices (Meditation/Chemicals/DNA manipulation.ect.)..And also that a change in Galactic Alignment (Moving through the center) may trigger these changes...Maybe this is cyclical and has happened before, allowing those souls who are raising their vibratory patterns, an opportunity to advance out of 3D....Lots of interesting views on this...UNDO (Beth), thanks....I loved your Stargate thread....

[Linda Brown]

Read again what I SAID here Undo and NOT what you THOUGHT that I said.

You said that your " knee jerk reaction " was a certain thing...

. my response was MEANT to say that you didn't have to repond so..... actively....perhaps the word " violent" was a poor choice.

But speaking of " choices of words"

You know.. what knee jerk reaction is supposed to be? An UNTHINKING response to a stimulus. Did you mean to say that?

is that a better word for me to have used?
Was "knee jerk" what you really meant?

Whats a better way for us to communicate with each other?  Linda

[hobbit]

Just been here a little while, and took a while to read this thread...IMO Religion is 3D, and made, maintained, and practiced, by souls in our 3D meatsacks...Corporal ET's may or may not also do so. And YES..I am open to the possibility that our body's Physical DNA may have been manipulated or even created by ET's. I am more interested in how our "Souls" advance despite the 3D limitations of this Planet. For myself, Spirituality comes into play regardless of anything that happens in what we "perceive" as our Physical (3D) world, and just maybe this is where other dimensions come in....Perhaps souls can't advance (And become aware of their Creative origins) until our consciousness (Soul Memory) can perceive these other dimensions....It has been suggested that this can be done by certain "Religious/Spiritual" practices (Meditation/Chemicals/DNA manipulation.ect.)..And also that a change in Galactic Alignment (Moving through the center) may trigger these changes...Maybe this is cyclical and has happened before, allowing those souls who are raising their vibratory patterns, an opportunity to advance out of 3D....Lots of interesting views on this...UNDO (Beth), thanks....I loved your Stargate thread....

I just posted this on another thread,
http://www.goldennumber.net/universe.htm
Look at the dodechedron, and imagine the universe as such, and at all scale.
Every finite point of universe will be packed perfectly with such geometry.
The various DIMENSIONS are therefore in exactly the self same location as this 3D we are a consequence of, but on the different faces of the dodechedron scalar solid universe.
hobbit

[undo11]

andolin,

i know that when i pray in the presence of some people, the top of my head opens up like a live wire.  other times, nothing.  i think some people are like .......hmmmmm.. trying to think of a medical term for it.  thinking.  well i can't think of the word at the moment, but they have an energy field around them that heightens/boosts, the energy field of others.  and these people who have this ability, don't have to be particularly good people or bad people, they just have that ability.  not sure what would cause that.

my hubby is an extremely interesting prayer warrior. sometimes when he prays he speaks in other languages, some of which sound earthly, some mechanical, some out of this world.   i've heard him speak like native americans, eskimos, hebrews, arabics, chinese/japanese, etc, and some of them may even be languages that have long since vanished, like the lost languages of the native americans. 

nothing dramatic happens when i pray with him as far as physical sensation goes, but it is almost always immediately evident.  for example, one time we were babysitting for some friends and one of their boys, was sick with strep throat.  he was trying to sleep and his little chest was heaving from the fever.  my hubby and i both looked at him at the same time.   i could tell hubby was silently praying for the boy to be healed, even though his eyes weren't closed and he gave no other indication other than a very compassionate expression on his face.  so i silently agreed with him in prayer.

well, that was kind of a mistake lol always ask beforehand lol
what he had prayed was that he wanted god to take the sickness off the boy and give it to him instead.  and i agreed with that, not knowing what he had prayed. lol  we spent the next 3 days crawling to the bathroom, and a week total of being treated to the little boy's strep throat. we were so sick. but the next day, the little boy was all better.  lol

i had never had strep throat in my life, never before that and never after that.  just for the record. that was the only time.  moral of the story, ask first, agree second (where applicable).  i know it was legit cause hubby personally had strep throat 10 times in one year, and i never caught it from him.  my kids have had, i never caught it from them.  just that one time.  like a verification, that prayer really does change things.

personally, i would've prayed to have the strep throat eradicated from existence. lol. i guess hubby felt that was the only way to get the thing to give up its hold on the little boy. i dunno.

[andolin]

Undo.......
I was raised Roman Catholic and am among the many who reject the Organized Religious practices of that religion....Repetitive prayer without positive intention outside of self, invites negative energies. I agree that Positive thought can raise energies in ourselves and others (If there is even a difference, but I won't go all "Law of One" and  "Course in Miracles" on you)....I believe that you must not ask an outside "God/Force/Universe" for change through prayer...But that you /we/us must "will it to be through thankfulness"" while at the same time, recognizing that all souls carry the same creative potential as the original creative force....25 years ago I prayed that my wife be cured of cancer, and that I died in her place...I'm sure many have done this, and like myself, did not succeed...I have come to believe that Prayer is not asking for anything, as much as opening yourself up to a belief that we should find that spark in others that resonates with what we know is in ourselves, and support that energy. Perhaps if I had meditated upon my wife's (our) condition, and simply accepted that her illness was a vehicle for spiritual development (Both of ours), I could have found more peace at that time..Her spirit has since come to me and confirmed this belief.......Now the healing of Non-Karmic illness...That is another matter.....That is probably what happened with you and your husband and the Strep incident.....As for the concept of a "Prayer Warrior"...I prefer to think of those souls as Spiritual Workers who help raise the energies/vibrations of those souls/soul groups/Planets ect....The more "Gathered in His (Christos/Prime Creator/one with the All Presence name)" the better.

[andolin]

Hobbit:
dodechedron scalar......Yup...I agree..
Buckmaster Fuller...."BuckyBalls"..They connect on many dimensions. Perhaps Hogland/Bara (Dark Mission) are onto something when they suggest that all the planets in the Solar System have 3D structures on them that resonate and connect through several dimensions...Can also tie in with the Elecro/Magnetic theory of the Suns effect on her children in the Solar System...

[undo11]

andolin,

awww. hugs.

[rdunk]

Undo, that is an excellent account of Christian living, and absolute proof that being a Christian is a life walk of learning, in every way. I did sympathize (and laugh) at your and hubby's prayer account with the young boy. God absolutely does tell us to pray in faith, believing, for the "mountain" (ie physical/spiritual need) to be moved, but he never told us to ask "the mountain" to be moved on ourselves. 

For sure that is a way to let God know how very seriously one feels about whatever the prayer situation, but, God looks on the heart, and already knows our "seriousness/prayer of faith".

Undo, something for you and hubby to think about - for sure your prayer request for the boy, was answered. As far as what happened to you both as a result - please consider the possibility (even probability) that it may not have been God that put that on you, but rather the "evil one". The main reason I suggest that, is that God is not the author of sickness, disease, and death, but rather satan is. It may very well be that your "request', opened the door for him to put it on you - just because you asked!

FWIW - When your husband is praying in tongues, he is "praying in the Spirit. When he is praying in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in him is speaking directly with God. That is the best way to pray. That way, satan cannot listen in on "the call", and there is no way the Spirit will make a "mistake". Plus, God is a Spirit, and that is the best way to talk with him!!!!!!

Praying in the Spirit (with tongues) is a natural part of being "baptized with the Holy Spirit", which is a promise of God, to his people. And that is just what happened to the people in Acts 2, on what is commonly referred to as "the day of Pentecost"!

[undo11]

Read again what I SAID here Undo and NOT what you THOUGHT that I said.

You said that your " knee jerk reaction " was a certain thing...

. my response was MEANT to say that you didn't have to repond so..... actively....perhaps the word " violent" was a poor choice.

But speaking of " choices of words"

You know.. what knee jerk reaction is supposed to be? An UNTHINKING response to a stimulus. Did you mean to say that?

is that a better word for me to have used?
Was "knee jerk" what you really meant?

Whats a better way for us to communicate with each other?  Linda

yeah i was thinking, but i was thinking about survival, which is a human instinct.  i usually try to not freak out about it, but it accumulates over time and eventually just seems if i don't say anything i might as well be poking myself in the nose.  sorta like not paying attention to the angry mob of people with torches marching down the street towards ya. you have 3 options. run, stand your ground or join them.  and since i don't believe in angry mobs or torches,  i stood my ground. lol

i know you dont have these human frailities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature. 

[Linda Brown]

i know you dont have these human fraiities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature

OK Undo  .... is sarcasm what you are adding to your knee jerk reactions here or am I supposed to be able to see that you were trying to be funny?

I choose to pick that..... hahahaha..... OK I am done.

You should see the mob with torches that I see sometimes. Maybe you would be a little slower to criticize me.

Linda

[undo11]

i know you dont have these human fraiities, so i beg your mercy on my foolish human nature

OK Undo  .... is sarcasm what you are adding to your knee jerk reactions here or am I supposed to be able to see that you were trying to be funny?

I choose to pick that..... hahahaha..... OK I am done.

You should see the mob with torches that I see sometimes. Maybe you would be a little slower to criticize me.

Linda

that's the thing, linda, i'm not criticizing you. i was defending myself, and not even because of anything you said.  you didn't say one thing to set it off.  and it's just a normal reaction as well, that you're blowing way out of proportion now. it's not unusual to want to defend yourself., and you know that, or you wouldn't be here defending yourself because you think i'm criticizing you.

[undo11]

Undo, that is an excellent account of Christian living, and absolute proof that being a Christian is a life walk of learning, in every way. I did sympathize (and laugh) at your and hubby's prayer account with the young boy. God absolutely does tell us to pray in faith, believing, for the "mountain" (ie physical/spiritual need) to be moved, but he never told us to ask "the mountain" to be moved on ourselves. 

For sure that is a way to let God know how very seriously one feels about whatever the prayer situation, but, God looks on the heart, and already knows our "seriousness/prayer of faith".

Undo, something for you and hubby to think about - for sure your prayer request for the boy, was answered. As far as what happened to you both as a result - please consider the possibility (even probability) that it may not have been God that put that on you, but rather the "evil one". The main reason I suggest that, is that God is not the author of sickness, disease, and death, but rather satan is. It may very well be that your "request', opened the door for him to put it on you - just because you asked!

FWIW - When your husband is praying in tongues, he is "praying in the Spirit. When he is praying in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in him is speaking directly with God. That is the best way to pray. That way, satan cannot listen in on "the call", and there is no way the Spirit will make a "mistake". Plus, God is a Spirit, and that is the best way to talk with him!!!!!!

Praying in the Spirit (with tongues) is a natural part of being "baptized with the Holy Spirit", which is a promise of God, to his people. And that is just what happened to the people in Acts 2, on what is commonly referred to as "the day of Pentecost"!

hubby says "tell him that we don't make that mistake anymore! lol"

[sky otter]

Re: Undo's Super Gripe
« Reply #144 on: May 23, 2012, 04:03:46 AM »
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Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2012, 06:37:56 PM
hobbit?  you gonna stop bugging me now?


It ain't Me babe.
The intent is to cause division, it is clearly working.

Hobbit
that sounds to me like a confession.