Overpopulation is a myth. Period.

[Linda Brown]

Things will right themselves for EARTH. She takes care of herself.

If food is scarce animals in the wild do not have as many babies.... if they do not live by those rules.... they starve. Period. What does that mean for our future since we are obviously not listening well enough to reduce our numbers ( HOWEVER IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED)  then famine for us too. Did we think that we were immune to that? Most of us must think that?

And of course there is disease which is quite capable of wiping out half of our population  in just a few years if the right contagion began under the most advantageous conditions..........

And of course with food shortages you have civil and national unrest... and that might lead to an actual war if the right elements exist.

So do I worry about the humans harming the earth by overpopulating it? No I don't . She won't care.... she will go on just fine. Ask the rocks.

Its our problem and our solution and if not handled it then becomes our failed future. Period.  Linda

[undo11]

this guy had me sold on his idea till he said religion would have to go.    if the problem is lack of fair and equitable distribution of abundant resources, why even bring up how, what or who a person talks to in the space between their ears?   that's not even a blip on the radar since the 2 things are totally separate concepts.  one deals with something you do as a private individual, the other deals with what you do as a member of the society you live in. christians have adapted to modern society as a general rule and the more we adapt, the more we're told we aren't adapting, or alternately, we shouldn't adapt because it might somehow prove us to be hypocritical based on some guy's interpretation of the text.   therefore we must be removed?  i think that's his only big problem area. he talks about freedom, not being prejudice and then lets everyone know who is religious to any degree, whatsoever, that they aren't welcome. 

why? we helped establish the technologies, most of which were spurred on by the free enterprise system.  not that his ideas aren't valid, just that he has to preface it with -- no religious people.  good grief charlie brown.  tyrant your own brain. thanks.

[Littleenki]

Wow, Linda, thats it in a nutshell!
Disease could wipe the earth clean, and make mincemeat out of the populace with ease.

And those reactors in Fukushima, we have thousands more waiting to blow, so wait for it...boom! There goes humanity!:(((

Hobbit my friend, your post about E=mc2 is priceless, and for someone to challenge Einstein's theory of GR takes b@lls my friend, big Hobbit ones!LOL!

Ive read the book Unity now, and have spent countless hours studying why Einstein's theory is incomplete, and have to say, I heartily agree.

Of course he formulated that theory in the early 1900's and back then they werent privy to the truth as far as how the universe worked. he did the best he could, but it was wrong for so many to jump on the wagon with him, and make the theory doctrine.

Now, for energy, we know what it isnt, but how would you define the word?
Is it a lifeforce, or is it something that we are completely immersed in like the deep end of the pool?

Ill save my opinion on that for later, and although you state noone knows what it is, I am curious how you would define it if you were held hostage and made to. By a lowly bridge troll Id presume.

I know hobbity words can say a million different things, so to our friends here who speak elven or ogre, pay close attention!!!LOL!
If anyone can define energy, or what it isnt, it's you my friend.
Youve got the microphone!

Also what did you think about that Whittaker paper Steve posted at TTB.com?
It's pretty cool how Bearden broke it down, and thought it out. Youll be impressed, with the clarity, and the fact there isnt a lick of math in the whole paper.

http://www.duschl-engineering.de/QED.pdf

Thats another thing I liked about Unity, I didnt have to decipher the math parts to understand the whole pie.

Mmmm, rhubarb pie....

Be well, hobbity bud!
Littleenki

[Littleenki]

this guy had me sold on his idea till he said religion would have to go.    if the problem is lack of fair and equitable distribution of abundant resources, why even bring up how, what or who a person talks to in the space between their ears?   that's not even a blip on the radar since the 2 things are totally separate concepts.  one deals with something you do as a private individual, the other deals with what you do as a member of the society you live in. christians have adapted to modern society as a general rule and the more we adapt, the more we're told we aren't adapting, or alternately, we shouldn't adapt because it might somehow prove us to be hypocritical based on some guy's interpretation of the text.   therefore we must be removed?  i think that's his only big problem area. he talks about freedom, not being prejudice and then lets everyone know who is religious to any degree, whatsoever, that they aren't welcome. 

why? we helped establish the technologies, most of which were spurred on by the free enterprise system.  not that his ideas aren't valid, just that he has to preface it with -- no religious people.  good grief charlie brown.  tyrant your own brain. thanks.

Good post, Beth!
Sound like a basic plan to me, with some room for improvement, but as it stands, I would happily live in that society, instead of this one.

Education is key, and the furtherment of automated technology would be paramount to what effectiveness this sort of world would exhibit.

I didnt find him to say religion had to go, just the killing and murdering in the name of it. And the images that were pasted on the screen during him saying that were mainly of the fanatical religions in the middle east.

Christianity is within all of us, and Christ himself would say, hey, thats a better way to live than what weve become.

It also paralleled a lot of what Amy has been writing about and had an eerie similarity to her ideas, so obviously shes on the right track.

His little city model should have a worship center for religious folks to go to, and Im sure he's thought that out. I personally would vote for a religious section where everyone could worship freely, and think that it would be great for folks to have the ability to worship at their convenience, in a friendly group.

In addition to the ideas presented there, I have to say we would need more space, and learn to live in places where humans havent, and utilizing that space would be a major improvement in the overdensitized cities we have now.

The biggest obstacle would be the violent and angry folks, who wouldnt let it happen without a fight, and that's what has quashed our progress all these years are the evil people who cant give up their anger and discourse with each other. How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.

Ill get a sledge hammer if you do, and we can start tearing down the prisons that are our current cities, and towns, in favor of new and clean places to live.

Check out this area, its expensive to live there, but once money is gone it will become the model town.  http://serenbe.com/

Once again, great video, just a few tweaks and the idea will be golden.

Thanks for showing me that one, Undo!

Dave

[hobbit]

ENERGY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

Instead,
One simple flow that spins in both directions, in all directions.
It enables creation and annihilation.
It operates in a framework of universal proportions in STUFF that is perfectly packed, We presently have no way of knowing this framework exists, so it is as invisable to our 3D reality.

You could simplify into a black and white checkerboard , as the masons do .

Then the geometry kicks in upon that board in a complex way to enable the creation of elements , or periodic table.
Basically all is one , just mixed differently in a geometric tumbler.
hobbit

[Littleenki]

Perfectly put, Hobbit, as I expected, my friend!
No more words necessary.

Le

[hobbit]

Perfectly put, Hobbit, as I expected, my friend!
No more words necessary.

Le

Perhaps a picture???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiredoflondon/5393900436/in/set-72157625919662906

Geometry upon the matrix.
hobbit

[undo11]

LE

i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner.  like, we're on the menu.   how to serve man and all that.   the more deaths, the bigger the feast.   war and starvation generates more deaths.  although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans  in a huge radius.

[Linda Brown]

Remember that you have said this Littleenki

"How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.[/color

]So learning to deal with them then is the big lesson? I am game if you are. It is not going to be easy....

Sometimes I would just like to take the song I believe is Morgans particularly..... where Jimmy Buffett sings

I'm a Piece of Work, I'm iron and lace, I'm shy right up there in your face*****   I'm the CEO of the mail room clerks.........Lord have mercy what a Piece of Work."

Piece of Work!  I was called that recently on the Hut and I have to admit smiling and thinking..." WELL!  I have finally made the grade!!!!!"

Linda 

[hobbit]

LE

i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner.  like, we're on the menu.   how to serve man and all that.   the more deaths, the bigger the feast.   war and starvation generates more deaths.  although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans  in a huge radius.

Instead of the physical, try and imagine SOMETHING that creates the physical.
The physical only exists because it is enabled to by SOMETHING.

YES, then think of all of so called food been killed, all the plants and animals, then stop thinking humans as been the pinacle of that food chain.
Do the lambs so happily bounding about, realise we are thinking of mint sauce?
hobbit

[zorgon]

Over crowding?  Don't know what to do with all the people?

Well fear not... the colony ships are ready and waiting



Just like the Sumerian Ark of Noah the last time Earth had issues...

Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost).

Here is Noah's Ark... all the flat disks with the tin roofs needed to make a viable regeneration of the planet. And yawl probably thought it was some silly wooden boat



One of the most commonly misquoted parts of the Bible is the NUMBER of the Beasts that were on ark...

It was FOURTEEN of all the cleans beasts and FOUR of all the unclean beasts....  there is no way all those fit onto a little wooden boat.   The 'two by two was simply the boarding order   14 and 4 is a much more biologically viable quantity to repopulates a wiped out planets


Genesis 7

1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

[Linda Brown]

Undo.... I am not sure how to respond to this....

war and starvation generates more deaths.  although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans  in a huge radius.

I don't think that I am going to respond to that impression. If thats what you want to think... then have at it because I know you don't need more ugly images to consider and I would be no help to you on this score.

They call it radiation sickness. Not good. but you are probably more familiar with it than most.

Thorfourwinds could probably be more informative but why should we dwell on something that we need to concentrate on avoiding?

How many Motorcycle riders out there? Do you recognize the dangers of focusing on something ahead of you on the road. Its a known fact that whatever you focus on...... YOU DRIVE TOWARD IT......

Same deal with show riders in a ring.... I always had to tell my students.... Focus on the next fence! On the next fence! If you look DOWN thats where you will find yourself!!!

Same deal here. I am sure there are all kinds of experts who have the sad job of collecting all of the facts about how devasting a nuclear strike would be. I don't really want to look at that here. Do you?

Thats why this Forum is so wonderful. We talk about Food and growing things and life affirming properties. Surely that is where we all should be encouraged to focus!!!

Some might think that a Forum is just talk but it is far more than that! Each one of us affects the others in wondrous ways that maybe only the Universe knows! And if there is a balance to all of this.... and I am sure that there is....I would hope that we would all find ourselves on the positive side..... and with our gaze firmly fixed on where we need to go...... Linda

[Littleenki]

LE

i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner.  like, we're on the menu.   how to serve man and all that.   the more deaths, the bigger the feast.   war and starvation generates more deaths.  although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans  in a huge radius.

Wow, Undo, I cant wait to see that thread! Or the menu!:D
Le

[Littleenki]

Over crowding?  Don't know what to do with all the people?

Well fear not... the colony ships are ready and waiting



Just like the Sumerian Ark of Noah the last time Earth had issues...

Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost).

Here is Noah's Ark... all the flat disks with the tin roofs needed to make a viable regeneration of the planet. And yawl probably thought it was some silly wooden boat



One of the most commonly misquoted parts of the Bible is the NUMBER of the Beasts that were on ark...

It was FOURTEEN of all the cleans beasts and FOUR of all the unclean beasts....  there is no way all those fit onto a little wooden boat.   The 'two by two was simply the boarding order   14 and 4 is a much more biologically viable quantity to repopulates a wiped out planets


Genesis 7

1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

Cool post, Zorgon, Ive always thought of the ark as a dna and seed repository!

But, Undo's human barbecue sound pretty good too, I likey some bbq!

Le

[Linda Brown]

Protein is protein. Turn anyone over 70 into wafers. That way you never have to worry about getting older and you know that you will be helpful in your passing. I dunno. It could probably be sold with the right conditioning!

If you are born into a world where that is the expectation I doubt that people would waste time or take their lives for granted. And nobody would put off fulfilling their " bucket list" when they hit 60 either.
There are solutions for everything actually.

But why go there? We can figure out how to feed everybody and give everybody enough space..... AND care for our elders .....then thats what we should be doing. There are plans for Moon colonies and Ocean colonies.... underground cities so that the surface stays pristine for recreation.... There are too many positive  solutions to even count. and probably enough passion to go around once we all get in gear.   Linda