The Gold Ring

[Littleenki]

Thats the conundrum which all of us face when playing with lifters..they need a power supply thats stable, lightweight, and powerful at once, and thats just impossible with current tech.

2 outta 3 is bad in this field..you need all three! Pulse that thing at 16-20khz Luke and itll fly!

As for the temporal effects, since youve mentioned them, and I didnt previously want to be labeled a fruitcake, Ive experienced some odd effect in the shop too. No clocks changing, but a distinct feeling that everything wasnt as it seemed. Its almost like time flies and accelerates at an alarmingly different rate, yet when you go back into the house, everythings back to normal.

Is it nuts to picture a stargate as a giant round lifter, with shielding for people to step through? 

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Is it nuts to picture a stargate as a giant round lifter, with shielding for people to step through?

Maybe we should ask Orville the hamster

Try placing various clocks in the vicinity, set them to within a few seconds of each other, & check them after every lifter session.
I have 2 clocks, one is a digital quartz travel alarm type thing, the other is the solenoid-type kitchen clock.
The kitchen clock has remained accurate, losing only a minute or so during the week.
The digital one, as i said, has moved forward by 2 hours.

I haven't reset it yet, i want to see if it continues to gain time, in which case it's just a crappy clock.

Going to put a few more in there, one shielded etc.
We still need that test chamber to be certain, i hope i get the time to make it soon...

[Littleenki]

That cold breeze we are feeling from the lifter could very well be flowing aether, not air proper. It could also signify the pulling of time through the lifter towards the other side.

But wouldnt that define it as a time deformation device?, the very stretcher we heard of from Lazar when he describes pulling space towards us and attaching ourselves to a distant spot, then letting it snap back.

Is a lifter a crude time travel device perhaps?

What the he!! is that cold air besides what the mainstreamers want to call ions?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

You got me thinking, as always
There seems to be a pattern of sorts, if you take into account Podkletnov's faster-than-light gravity pulses, and T.T. Brown's cosmic ray & gravitor experiments, there definitely seems to be a time-related phenomenon associated with static electricity something we encounter every day, & yet we know almost nothing about it....

[robomont]

pwm,
i disagree with the part of your theory about two charges separated in basically nothingness.
by my theory,there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum.
there will always be a hydrogen atom.
now im only talking about nature.
im sure in a lab under certain conditions that will probably change that rule like maybe if the container is full of electrons.
i believe there is a foundation of higgs that holds everything together.
the higgs is effected by charge and so still no perfect vacuum.
these are just theories of mine and i little if any reference.

my question to you is what happens when the frequency changes?doesnt the voltage change?or does your current/amps change?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I see your point, but what if that hydrogen atom can only 'carry' 16EV of charge, and there's 160EV present?
Where does that extra energy 'reside'?

my question to you is what happens when the frequency changes?doesnt the voltage change?or does your current/amps change?

Good questions!
I'm still taking measurements, & i'm still working on a variable frequency HT supply.
Don't worry, i will post my findings when i find them

LittleEnki suggests 20khz, so i'll try that first...

[robomont]

as photons in plasma from that one hydrogen atom, maybe.im kinda confused on your discription.

also you can make a homemade gold leaf electroscope to tell you if something is charged.
mount it on a clean pole of fiberglass.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Gold leaf?
The only gold i have is in my phone & this laptop

I thought of making one with kitchen foil, but at these levels the whole room is charged to 1000's of volts in secods, everything gets charged... LOL

Photons are special, a single electron can emit millions of them, they are said to be massless (something i dispute) and therefore the electron remains unchanged, it is merely receiving & transmitting energy.

I still don't see the electron as being a source of anything, more of a carrier.
ETA: i see it like this, the electron recieves energy, be it in several forms. It jumps to a higher orbit.
From there, something makes it fall back to a lower orbit, releasing that energy, usually as photons or electric current.

[robomont]

gold leaf from bible book store.
used for putting gold letters on outside of bibles.
not real expensive.
use a cookie tin for scope box then cut hole in center of lid/view hole
cut hole in side of tin for cork or plug,drill hole in cork for metal rod.
mount two gold leaves together on rod.
touch rod to hot.gold leaves spread.
touch to ground.come together.
metal tin charges to surrounding charge and works as farraday for gold leaf.
mount tin on insulated rod.

i advise any newbies to check out a book called homemade lightning by R.A.Ford.
not calling you a newbie.
youve already been through the initiation a few times i would guess including last week.

lots of hv info including generators and ball lightning.

[Littleenki]

or.... http://www.amazon.com/American-Educational-Products-Flask-Electroscope/dp/B005QDW3UG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354327488&sr=8-2&keywords=electroscope

[Fruitbat]

Robomont, we're ALL newbies at this subject...

I have the unusual option of coupling and decoupling the negative pole of my Psu form household "ground".

I get quite different figures depending upon whether I do this...

I am (despite my best efforts) having difficulty with repeatabilty of the data obtained, and am p[ursuing that rather prosaic problem before trying much in teh way of different lifters. I also just happened to repair a modern renaiult car which uses 4 "coil packs" I think three of my old ones are OK, and three is the magic number to connect to a threephase 12v r/c esc. or via an amplifiying transistor or to to a frequency generator, so next week (hopefully) I'll get to see how much HT I can get from them, one way or another.

In the meantime, I organised (with some fiddling about) a digital camera to record my HT in KV, my "lift" in grammes, and my lowside current and voltage in one instant, I take a couple of exposures and average out the result if there is excessive "drift". it has made data collection much more efficient and I can run a series of tests really quickly now... I'll try and get a picture up.

Cheers, Fruitbat.

[1Worldwatcher]

I don't know if anyone here has seen or read the the 'UFO Propagation' research PDF's, but has all th the afore mentioned peoples or this technology too be feasible and applicable.
Though I have no way to test such thing's myself, I do believe it is right up our alley of trying too understand the different stages of experiments have gotten us thus far with understanding EG vs. EM vs. G. Just thought i would share.

Set up within and around the toroid is a reaction known as the Lorentz Force which intrinsically governs how the accumulating charges and magnetic field lines interact with each other  (see figs.4 & 4a). Because of this interaction of forces the electric charges generated by the movement of the fluid inside the insulated structure polarize, and one pole (negative) will situate itself about the top half of the toroid, concentrating mainly inside the top inner edge and inside the top outer edge (see Electrolytic Flow page). The other polarity of electric charge (positive) will concentrate itself inside the sharp-pointed lower inner edge of the toroid (or arced-toroid see note 3a). All three edges, of course, denote the whole of their circumferences (which, for a forty foot diameter toroid, is a large capacity).

Very informative read. Haven't read it all yet, I am "Centralized Vortex" which is something that I have discussed with PWM or brought up as a possible most efficient device for application. I personally thought of this device such a thing as important, but with all thing's told, it may be a amalgam of inner twining of all things considered.

Enjoy the read as I have, very informative for discussion at hand.
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/ufopropagation.htm

1WW

[robomont]

just in the few paragraphs i read of ufopropagation ,i found two things wrong.
first it should not be a liquid.
it should be dry air or a gas, with dialectric dust in it.
second it talks about sharp edge something something.
no sharp edges.sharp edges are a detriment to building healthy coronal charge.
a good sign of wasted power.
not trying to insult.just helping out.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Hmm, a sharp edge is placing the charge where you want it to be..
The first thing is to see if there's a definite better performance of ac lifters over dc ones, since my lifter was humming, it wasn't quite DC (caps were too small to deliver the current needed) but we should try 2 methods, straight dc against 'alternating' dc as per the TTB notebooks....

[1Worldwatcher]

Hmm, a sharp edge is placing the charge where you want it to be..
The first thing is to see if there's a definite better performance of ac lifters over dc ones, since my lifter was humming, it wasn't quite DC (caps were too small to deliver the current needed) but we should try 2 methods, straight dc against 'alternating' dc as per the TTB notebooks....

Are speaking of a Mains Power Filter PWM? Though there is stuff I am getting educated on , I did find a researcher who has posted free on line designs and literary explanation with diagrams.

Go Here:
http://www.freewebs.com/acselectronics/mainsfilter.html

May be something of use, meets your criteria you were looking for as mentioned before over Caps and Load.

1WW