The Gold Ring

[Littleenki]

Good question, Dueum, not sarcastic at all, as we dont get anywhere going "oh well whatever"

What is the issue with the lifter, isnt the use of a big one or even how to build a big one, but it's to understand the way high voltage interacts with our surroundings and how to get the voltage without all the current.

Its a cool device to show off, but really nothing more than a prototype for something much wilder. What will happen hopefully, is that through the repeated use and construction of lifters, we might be able to observe a unique force never seen before, and thats the real goal.

Somehow, theres more than just thrust or levitation going on there, and when it becomes more obvious we all win, as then we can apply what weve learned through that pathway.

Building lifters has been helpful for many researchers for years, in understanding the basics of HV and how the negative charge chases the positive, so we need to keep the lifter in mind as a tool, not an invention to save the world...a test meter of sorts to see why and how Hv works within the aether.

Its all at the beginning still for most, and soon there will be breakthroughs inspired by that little lifter, as when anything is first invented theres a base process that shows the inventor why it works, just not how good yet.

Some, like myself think there are interdimensional effects taking place there, and some think its purely electrical in nature, and then some in between, but without the lifter there wouldnt be any way to inspire new inventors, beyond some equations and drawings.

Check out PWM's new thread when up, and youll see fast why we all chase that little lifter for the prize!

Cheers!
Littleenki

[Mikado]

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Building lifters has been helpful for many researchers for years, in understanding the basics of HV and how the negative charge chases the positive, so we need to keep the lifter in mind as a tool, not an invention to save the world...a test meter of sorts to see why and how Hv works within the aether.

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Littleenki

If you reverse the leads on a lifter it will still "move" in the same direction regardless of the orientation of polarity.

Mikado

[Littleenki]

Assymetry of electrodes.

[deuem]

Ok, 2 very good answers so far but no end game?

Is this just a fancy Science experiment?

In another thread I read today it stated this was done in a vecuum chamber and still worked. OK, great news.

Would one spend 10K on just an experiment? There has to be an end game here somewhere. Other wise, why start.

If I was the guy ( I wish ) and had all the money. And interviewed people for possible inventions what would you guys tell me.

We can get balsa wood to fly. Ok, Next!

What is in your minds on where this is leading everyone?

Is this step 15 on a 20 step road or 15 on an unknown road?

Is there any practical application to apply this do when done?

Thanks, Deuem

[Littleenki]

Mornin' Dueum!

I picture the bb effect being of use in some other field besides flight or such, except for space flight which can be powered by big solar panels, and create endless thrust due to the high vacuum of the aether.

Of course, as I posed earlier, it may take such high voltage that none of us will find the truth through experimentation.

What I think is necessary, is to build a flame jet generator and achieve the millions of volts necessary to make those discs spin off the charts...until then floating balsa wood and foil is a step forward that has been taken over and over again.

That wooden tread is getting worn thin, isnt it?

Think in terms of that vacuum, and how it presents nearly zero resistance to relocation of any matter, and space travel is the only clear choice for this tech.

Ah, the differential sail...



But, is this device a gravitor or exhibiting the bb effect?

None of us have a shuttle, though, so maybe we need to get Branson over here, to take a gravitor into space and try to fly it for us!

Hey Richard are ya listening?

Le

[Linda Brown]

Pay close attention to how much time Dad spent with "lifters"

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963

In my book
" The Good-Bye Man" there is a scene where I accompanied my Dad to his lab in Washington DC. The year was...... 1955.  He held a demonstration of something made of balsa wood and metal... it floated in front of an important military personage after that man had said that there was " NO WAY" that it would work. I think Dads question was...." Are you willing to bet your career on that?"

But much later Dad spent absolutely no time in that direction. One needs to ask..... why. And there are many answers to this so don't let yourself get stuffed into the box that does not exist except in your mind.

Linda

[Mikado]

Assymetry of electrodes.

what?

[deuem]

Ok, in a vacuum on Earth or in space is different. One has a lot more gravity.

Question, I see all of these lifters with about a 3 inch height. What happens if you go 3 feet tall?

Linda, It seems that even your dad had problems taking the next step, Is there any mention by him as to what that would be?

Mikado, You said you spent 10K on one of these. I could buy a car here for that money. A small cheap one!

Is there an application on Earth for the masses or is this some big secrete?

Another observance. All of the video I have seen so far is of these things lifting off the floor or a table to sort of a fixed height and stopping. If it truly could lift why do they stop going up? Why not right to the ceiling? If this is true then they are just being repelled from the floor by some means and not flying?

I also see these all in a triangle shape. Is this the only shape that works. Will round work or star shape?

When I hear the word lifter, I would think heavy payload. Maybe a craft that can cross the oceans for almost no cost and very fast with a very heavy cargo. If it was fast enough and proven safe then do it with people and forget all the oil driven planes in the air.

Littleenki what does this flame generator run on?

Deuem

[Mikado]

Littleenki what does this flame generator run on?

Deuem

http://www.skif.biz/files/0dd54a.pdf

What ever fuel you wish to use in a jet engine.

Mikado

[Linda Brown]

Ok, in a vacuum on Earth or in space is different. One has a lot more gravity.

Question, I see all of these lifters with about a 3 inch height. What happens if you go 3 feet tall?

I will let someone who has built them go there with that question.

Linda, It seems that even your dad had problems taking the next step, Is there any mention by him as to what that would be?

You will know more about that once you have learned more about his history.... In 1955 he made plans to prove that his " discs" would work in a vacuum. Note.... Discs are not Lifters.... when he came back his work went very dark....when he surfaced again he was building something called the fan precipitor ( which years later became the Ionic Breeze here in this country)... the other ability ( of it being used as a " loudspeaker) was being explored.... and then in 1967 there was a big meeting at the RAND facility... and I never saw that big loudspear. fan  .... ever again and Dad again...... Years later he suggested that Jim Lee " take the fan and run with it..... and basically got him set up in his understanding and then left...." Dad could not have been less interested in it commercially.
He started collecting rocks.... and maybe you know more about that.... and it continues....
Mikado, You said you spent 10K on one of these. I could buy a car here for that money. A small cheap one!

Is there an application on Earth for the masses or is this some big secrete?
I mentioned the Ionic Breeze. Somebody made money on that but of course it never hit the market until after Dads death.
Another observance. All of the video I have seen so far is of these things lifting off the floor or a table to sort of a fixed height and stopping. If it truly could lift why do they stop going up?

They were tethered and could only go as far as the lines holding them down. And their power supplies were external... if the line to that was not limited.... they could have gone anywhere. Why not right to the ceiling? If this is true then they are just being repelled from the floor by some means and not flying?  They were not just being repelled from the floor..... Certainly not an " air effects " machine in that usage.
I also see these all in a triangle shape. Is this the only shape that works.

No.... A disc shape is actually the best but the Triangle is easier and cheaper to build and easy for amateurs to construct. Triangles are strong too and relatively forgiving!!!!Will round work or star shape?... not sure about ... never built a round or star shaped one.
When I hear the word lifter, I would think heavy payload. Maybe a craft that can cross the oceans for almost no cost and very fast with a very heavy cargo. If it was fast enough and proven safe then do it with people and forget all the oil driven planes in the air.

Right.
Littleenki what does this flame generator run on?

Deuem

[Linda Brown]

By the way. Dad was not the person who coined the name "Lifter", I believe that was the Naudin group.... but I could be wrong.

His patent called what they call a lifter an
Electrokinetic Apparatus

The fan was one too.... operating on the same principle.

Linda

[Pimander]

Just pointing out that Morgans exact words to Paul were " A special kind" of " tunnel diode"

Do you have any idea.... remembering what you know here about resonance and microwave amplifiers... what the " special kind" of that tunnel diode might have done???  Thinking that electricity and gravity are linked in electrogravitic devices and that was what Dad was known for. How would a device that steps up the voltage would have worked slightly differently than the standard electromagnetic one?

The answer just isn't jumping out at me.  No "eurika" moment yet....

I think that we have the answer right in front of us because I can see the color but it must be up to you because thats all I get!!!!!  There aint no more!!!! Linda

Anyone else have more?

I kinda thought so, Pimander, you seemed very aware!
What a great world of knowledge to be aware of isnt it?
Le

Yep.

[Linda Brown]

A Jimmy Buffett line

"Only got two options
Having fun
or freaking out!"

so lets have fun!!!!  Linda

[Mikado]

The answer just isn't jumping out at me.  No "eurika" moment yet....
Anyone else have more?
Yep.

From my experience, it may mean "quantum tunneling" in a dielectric - a certain type of dielectric and would be used in the communications field.

Mikado

[rose]

Mikado, I seem to remember that when we came once before to this discussion of the tunnel diode's role in submarine communications, Mr.  Twigsnapper (insert usual cavet here about unknown internet sources) responded with something like..."communications with whom?"

The range of possible answers can be quite extensive.

rose