Charles Hall and The Tall Whites

[Caver78]

Haven't been here in ages but caught up on the material. See there's a bit of a paper-chase ongoing, however Charles Hall alleged other information not currently being taken advantage of.

He gave "roughly" the schedule of the Tall Whites comings & goings that possibly can be seen at distance which would assist in confirming his credibility, no? It occurred to me if people can watch Area 51 why not the airspace over the Creech Facility?

By airspace I'm including the notion of telescopes trained at probable trajectories/vectors of atmospheric entry. 

[astr0144]

When you say about monitoring Creech Facility, using telescopes... in what way do you mean ?

Do you mean say the public using telescopes ?  or some sort of more advanced type of telescope.

What would you expect anyone to see ?   The Tall white crafts landing ?

If I recal Hall suggested that they tended to land some distance North Of Creech AFB or more towards Dog bone lake .

It is easier to observe Creech airbase than it is Area 51, as its closer to Las Vegas and you can see it from the Mountains behind it that lead up to Mount Charleston.

I have been up those mountains and you can get some good views looking down over the base.

Anyone who lives at Indian Springs, you would think someone would have managed to observe something worthwhile and have taken some valid photos or filmed something if there is such activity occurring around that area..   But I am not aware of anyone making anything on the Internet about it.

Haven't been here in ages but caught up on the material. See there's a bit of a paper-chase ongoing, however Charles Hall alleged other information not currently being taken advantage of.

He gave "roughly" the schedule of the Tall Whites comings & goings that possibly can be seen at distance which would assist in confirming his credibility, no? It occurred to me if people can watch Area 51 why not the airspace over the Creech Facility?

By airspace I'm including the notion of telescopes trained at probable trajectories/vectors of atmospheric entry.

[astr0144]

Some images of views that you can see looking down from the Mount Charleston mountain range south of Creech airforce base that look towards the NTS / NTTR /  Nellis ranges .

If you can get to certain areas on the mountain range, you can look towards and down towards the various NTTR desert valleys and lake areas inc where its suggested the Tall White locations maybe.

If you are there when the Sun is in the right position, shining and casting shadows, the views can be quite impressive.





https://www.flickr.com/photos/xlimitededitionx/5674662798/in/photostream/



https://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/creech_pan.jpg

https://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/creech.html

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

My answer to the Hall 'story'....DD-214? 

[astr0144]

Is the DD 214 form to confirm that Hall had been in the Military, Sgt ?

Is it possible for the public to check his military record or to request his DD_214 ?

The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD_Form_214

The only other thing that I have found that suggested that he was in the Military is one or two photos that I found of him where they appear as if he was...

My answer to the Hall 'story'....DD-214? 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Nice photos, BUT.....No DD-214....(without that, which I believe he has refused to produce)(and they can be faked) It's just a nice story

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

As far as the public requesting a person's DD-214...I honestly don't know as I haven't had a need to.
I requested a 'Certified' copy of mine as I thought I had lost it in my many moves.
The day I rec'd my copy I found the original in an old box of stuff I had forgot about. So I have two, the original and a certified copy.
I do know if you can request a copy of a deceased family member as I have for my father who passed in 1976.

[astr0144]

I had thought that maybe, if anyone made an enquiry, if the dept who has the records and supplies them,
if they could confirm that Charles James Hall had definately been in the military at the time he claimed.

He said he had joined was it in 1964 and was in the military for the Vietnam war, so maybe at least he was in to 1975. possibly 11 yrs or more.

this shows the date that he joined...  July 20, 1964

Charles James Hall was born and raised in rural Wisconsin, USA, near Madison. He enlisted in the United States Air Force on July 20, 1964. He was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base outside Las Vegas, Nevada, for over two years.

So would the DD-214 certaificate likely confirm those details , or if you have your own copies, does it show such information ?

So you did manage to apply for a copy of your fathers certificate then... and I assume you got a copy of it ok.

I am not sure if anyone in the public could make such enquiries for related information, or if its only something that Military can obtain.

Also I assume you could apply if you are from the USA...or a USA resident.

IF Dan Berkert was aware of that, I am surprised that he has not enquired !

It would be ok if you was able to check for such details online...
I dont know whether this may offer any options..

https://www.archives.gov/research/military/air-force

There is a webpage about the DD - 214 form, but to obtain anything for free, I think it only applies to the Veteran or their family.

About Military Service Records and Official Military Personnel Files (OMPFs, DD Form 214)

If you've been discharged from military service, your personnel files are stored here at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). We are the official repository for records of military personnel who have been discharged from the U.S. Air Force, Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Coast Guard.

If you are a recently separated veteran, records can be found online via the VA eBenefits portal.  However, most veterans and their next-of-kin can obtain free copies of their DD Form 214 (Report of Separation) and other records several ways:

    Use our eVetRecs system to create your request
    Mail or Fax a Standard Form SF-180
    Learn more about requesting military service records

Military personnel records are primarily administrative records and can contain information such as:

    enlistment/appointment
    duty stations and assignments
    training, qualifications, performance
    awards and medals
    disciplinary actions
    insurance
    emergency data
    administrative remarks
    separation/discharge/retirement (including DD Form 214, Report of Separation, or equivalent)
    and other personnel actions.

https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/about-service-records-0

As far as the public requesting a person's DD-214...I honestly don't know as I haven't had a need to.
I requested a 'Certified' copy of mine as I thought I had lost it in my many moves.
The day I rec'd my copy I found the original in an old box of stuff I had forgot about. So I have two, the original and a certified copy.
I do know if you can request a copy of a deceased family member as I have for my father who passed in 1976.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

As far as my father's info was concerned, I was told there was a fire at the old data retention facility and a lot of documents were destroyed forever. I did manage to get his separation papers from a family member. My sister passed and her son-in-law found the documents in an old photo album. To say I was ecstatic was to say a lot.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I just made a request for a copy of Charles Hall's DD-214.

This is the reply I recieved from the Archives

Success!!!
Service Request has been created successfully.
Your Service Request Number: 2-26664244925

Be sure to monitor your spam and junk folders for emails from @nara.gov.

Now we will see...

[astr0144]

That was unfortunate if there was a fire, and things may depend on how far back they held the data.
You were fortunate that you managed to obtain his other documents.

I guess that your Fathers info was some years prior before Charles Halls time frame,

As far as my father's info was concerned, I was told there was a fire at the old data retention facility and a lot of documents were destroyed forever. I did manage to get his separation papers from a family member. My sister passed and her son-in-law found the documents in an old photo album. To say I was ecstatic was to say a lot.

Thats good if you have managed to request a copy.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

I did try to do a search on part of that military service archive website, using just his name only..and it came up with a few various Charles Halls.  but not in his full name... which I inserted... which was as Charles James Hall.

https://catalog.archives.gov/search?q=charles%20james%20hall&rows=20

There is an advanced search option, but I am not clear on what other info that I would have to select or input.

https://catalog.archives.gov/advancedsearch


When you made your request, what info did you have to input ?

Did you just insert Charles Hall, or Charles James Hall ? and did you input the date that he joined.
July 20, 1964.  or did it ask for any other information.

I am NOT sure about much more info about him, such as his date of birth or how old he may now be.

I just made a request for a copy of Charles Hall's DD-214.

This is the reply I recieved from the Archives

Success!!!
Service Request has been created successfully.
Your Service Request Number: 2-26664244925

Be sure to monitor your spam and junk folders for emails from @nara.gov.

Now we will see...

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Only 'Charles Hall'. So if I get any info, I'm sure there will be more Charles Hall's.
I did use his start date and I just received this reply.


Thank you for submitting a request to the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) through eVetrecs.

Your request number pertaining to HALL, CHARLES is 2-26664244925.

Check your request status online at https://vetrecs.archives.gov/.

Important Note Regarding the Pandemic:

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic the NPRC is not at its normal operating capacity. During this time we are able to only respond to emergency requests such as burials, medical emergencies, and homeless veterans seeking admittance to a homeless shelter.

Information on NPRC's current Operating Status can be found at https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records-0.

More information about the National Archives' response to coronavirus can be found at https://www.archives.gov/coronavirus.

So we'll see what happens.

[astr0144]

If you added his Start date, that may well be all is required, if just using his name as Charles Hall.

Lets hope you get a positive reply and that  it gives us a bit more information to consider about him and his story.

Reading that further info, it may be quite a while if they are badly effected by staff shortages due to Covid.

If it comes back as a negative response, then it will not help towards his credibility.

Only 'Charles Hall'. So if I get any info, I'm sure there will be more Charles Hall's.
I did use his start date and I just received this reply.

[bigpappy51]

Well Hey guys,

Its been a long time I have some info on the Charles Hall story. It took me a bit to get logged in but here I am  I agree with you Sgt.RocknRoll I sure do miss Zorgon also man I was thinking about him before I logged in brother !! And astro144 how are you doing as well I seen the comment you made and yes Im going to add some photos that will lend some credibility to Charles Halls story what's crazy is to this day no ones been able to get his records. 

David Hilton tried and he was told basically they didn't exist which should be on here somewhere very bizarre story ands case. And as in everything I want to see some evidence like Sgt.RockNRoll we seen enough UFO liars and frauds over the years. I have some images as I said that show a young Hall in USAF uniform that need looked at by someone who knows exactly what he's wearing. Im glad to post here and there I cant stand FB or any of these other places filled with frauds.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well I was glad to see you could log in and I haven't been into UFO's and the like for a long time. (just to let you know)

Just too many lairs and cheats out there and the main stream seem to eat up these so-called 'experts' on their tv shows.
The latest is Skinwalker ranch. 

But I haven't heard anything on the 'Tall Whites' story in awhile.

If anyone has any concrete evidence, I wish they would post it here and not 'somebodies uncles brother's cousin-in-law, 3 times removed'.


Rock