Decriminalisation of Drugs and Cannabis

[Primus58]

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[Pimander]

I'm afraid this does not work, Primus.  Scientists are as subject to bias and other manipulation as anyone else.  The only experiments I believe in the validity of without question, are those which I myself am able to observe.

That is obvious and why we repeat each others work to verify (or reject).

When we start a new project, we actually repeat any work we are following up (our own or another groups) before we start the main project.  Why?  Because it ensures we don't waste the money on following a false trail.

To most scientists (possible exception being people working for big corporations), money for research is so precious.  I know this better that most after having to take time out from research due to a lack of funds during the recession.  Thankfully I'm back now.

If you worked in science you would see that most results are pretty much valid.  If they weren't, even the techniques we used wouldn't actually work.  For example, I have used molecular genetics to study proteins.  I would not even be able to do so if the results of the people studying molecular genetics had not been valid.  Also it would not have worked if the results of the people studying similar proteins in the past had been fudged as my experiments would have failed (I'll spare you the technical details).

By all means be suspicious of individual studies.  But to suggest that the whole idea that tobacco/cannabis is harmful is a grand conspiracy by scientists, especially when you consider that corporate pressure was actually to DENY THAT TOBACCO HARMS, is frankly ludicrous.  It simply shows an ignorance of science in the real world.

[petrus4]

But to suggest that the whole idea that tobacco/cannabis is harmful is a grand conspiracy by scientists, especially when you consider that corporate pressure was actually to DENY THAT TOBACCO HARMS, is frankly ludicrous.

I personally do not assert this in generalised terms.  I consider the physiological effects of marijuana to be variable, dependent on the individual.  As for tobacco, you may note that I myself referred to it as a poison, earlier in this thread.

It simply shows an ignorance of science in the real world.

I am not going to respond to this, on the grounds that I have grown to respect you as an individual.

[Pimander]

I am not going to respond to this, on the grounds that I have grown to respect you as an individual.

Sorry mate, I wasn't really referring to your point of view.  I was making an observation about the idea that scientists have conspired or been manipulated into using false data regarding cannabis and tobacco.

In actual fact, cannabis being banned was connected with Dupont and industrial espionage I believe and most of the data about it being harmful appeared after it was banned.  There has been huge pressure from the tobacco lobby to push scientists towards tobacco being less harmful which is most likely the source of the data Amy refers to.  I'm not sure how clear I am being.

What data is likely influenced by corporate sponsors?  I say the data suggesting tobacco is not harmful or is beneficial is due to the tobacco industries efforts.

[robomont]

pot has never been as halucinogenic as shrooms or acid for me.
the guys i work with are fulltime potheads.we are high and sometimes stoned on the radio towers.
only the straights ever get hurt.
counseling is stupid.
ive gotten better counseling from inmates at the county lockup.
withdrawals from pot is where the suicide comes in.you have to recognise the dayafter or never have a dayafter.
always stay high and functionality is fine.

its the up and down that will make a person loopy.
i know people who live to be a hundred who smoke tobacco.
i prefer to live my life in peace rather than in stress.
after a couple js i can think through my problems.
way cheaper than a counselor.

[robomont]

its called,get over it.
as for the tower industry.fu.
i practically own the tower industry.i have more family and friends in the industry than anybody.i can bankrupt any tower company in the industry if i wanted to.
second,i dont pee for anybody!
if your gonna make the threat ,back it up.

i built the biggest,baddest tower in the industry.
i am the one that brought rappelling into the industry on a fulltime basis.
and if your certified to climb,the picture on your card is a tower i built !
so stick it where the sun dont shine !
if this post offends zorgon,i apologize.