Aurora Theater Shooting

[Littleenki]

Be hot on Your heals if I had any money.  [smile]

Dont worry I cant shoot them all at once!:D
Le

[Gigas]

Another high weirdness anomaly. The mouth piece for the lawyered up Holmes family has reptilian characteristic of licking its lips and puckering its mouth from excitement of the game.

[Ellirium113]

If We armed everyOne...  Don't You think the youth would have a more polite attitude?  I disagree completely.  I think We ALL should be armed.  The reasoning You offer is exactly what They use to disarm Us...

And maybe They'd learn to shoot Their weapon...  [grin]

Yes, I want Them to have guns.  But NOT just Them - EVERYONE.  Then They will pay more attention to Their own behavior.

And an armed populace would wake 'em right up, I tell You what!

Heh.  And They would know You could shoot Them right back - and are probably a much better shot.  They would be VERY polite.

Maybe having a way to defend Themselves...along with the polite behavior with peers...They will feel better about Themselves and not think They NEED the creppola They're on...

As long as We are kept powerless, that is what We will be.  Arming everyOne will shake Them out of the stupor.

[smile]  Indeed.  Even if I fully disagree with You on the arming of the youth - along with everyOne else.

Apathy is an escape taken when One feels powerless.  Give Us all the power of being armed and apathy will dissipate.

Remove the need for money - and arm everyOne such that We presume everyOne is armed...  We will be a very peaceful, empowered, happy society.

By stripping any sense of power...

I do.  [smile]

Nope.  Individuals not shrinking away apathetically in Their powerlessness.  Polite Individuals...  Aware Individuals...

This has got to be the most backwards thinking I have ever seen. You want every retard, crack baby, and snivelling spoiled teen to have a weapon to play GOD? Thats all a weapon does in the hands of these people. Not for legitimate defense against emminent death. It is a control/compliance tool to be waved around to assert your will onto another being. If a disgruntled teen whipped out a gun and told you to kiss the ground chances are your going to do it. If they had to confront you 1 on 1 without weapons, chances are they would get slapped around pretty bad. The problem is not the GUNS it is the PEOPLE with them. Everyone having a gun only leads to an arms race, get a better gun, longer range, body armor...etc. take all that away so they are just a human and their power is gone.

[petrus4]

This has got to be the most backwards thinking I have ever seen. You want every retard, crack baby, and snivelling spoiled teen to have a weapon to play GOD?

Yes, actually, I do.

I'm truthfully fed up with the relentless contemporary craving for safety.  Apart from anything else, we have incidents occurring every day which prove that it simply does not work.  If the cowards, the apologists, and the government quislings were right about gun control being effective, and how we supposedly need the TSA at literally every venue outside our own house, then would we not have seen a vast improvement already, from the TSA's presence in airports, and the myriad fascist laws that have been passed in the last decade?

The idea of Somalia being a role model for the rest of the planet, is one which has my full support, quite seriously; because at least there, if someone was going to try and kill me, I would not be legally prevented from defending myself.  I also well know, that it is the police and government who are, in reality, a far greater threat to my safety, than any common criminal.

If you want to be afraid, then at least get your priorities straight, over the people who you are most justified, in being afraid of.

[Ellirium113]

Yes, actually, I do.

I'm truthfully fed up with the relentless contemporary craving for safety.  Apart from anything else, we have incidents occurring every day which prove that it simply does not work.  If the cowards, the apologists, and the government quislings were right about gun control being effective, and how we supposedly need the TSA at literally every venue outside our own house, then would we not have seen a vast improvement already, from the TSA's presence in airports, and the myriad fascist laws that have been passed in the last decade?

The idea of Somalia being a role model for the rest of the planet, is one which has my full support, quite seriously; because at least there, if someone was going to try and kill me, I would not be legally prevented from defending myself.  I also well know, that it is the police and government who are, in reality, a far greater threat to my safety, than any common criminal.

If you want to be afraid, then at least get your priorities straight, over the people who you are most justified, in being afraid of.

Hmmm perhaps they should hand out some free bath salts with every firearm purchase as well. 

Society has not evolved past the wild west with the exceptions of technological gadgets. There seems to be this global diminishing of respect among more and more people. I have seen some kids that seem to literally have no empathy for anything. These people do not need to be enabled to have firearms. This only enforces the need to have to carry the BIGGER STICK. You seem to suggest that the guns can take care of the problem. Can an alcoholic drink their way out of their problem? Doesn't matter how much alcohol the problem persists.

[Amaterasu]

This has got to be the most backwards thinking I have ever seen. You want every retard, crack baby, and snivelling spoiled teen to have a weapon to play GOD? Thats all a weapon does in the hands of these people. Not for legitimate defense against emminent death. It is a control/compliance tool to be waved around to assert your will onto another being. If a disgruntled teen whipped out a gun and told you to kiss the ground chances are your going to do it. If they had to confront you 1 on 1 without weapons, chances are they would get slapped around pretty bad. The problem is not the GUNS it is the PEOPLE with them. Everyone having a gun only leads to an arms race, get a better gun, longer range, body armor...etc. take all that away so they are just a human and their power is gone.

Well, the vid is lost on Me.  You don't seem to grasp what presuming EVERYONE is armed will do.  If They think They're the only Ones with guns, yeah.  Problem.  If They think EVERYONE is armed...that changes things completely.  The evidence is clear.  Back in the "wild west" there was a 30% or greater lower crime rate in equivalent areas than in eastern towns where most citizens were presumed to be unarmed.  In the "wild west," everyOne was presumed to be.

If a disgruntled teen whipped out a gun and told you to kiss the ground chances are your going to pull Your own weapon.  And Others around You will do the same.  That teen is NOT going to risk that.

[Gigas]

Strange, Looking at James Holmes mug shots, I see no eye lashes. His eye lids are out of place like they are mechanical robot lids.

[Gigas]

Jared Lee Loughner the arizona shooter has no eye lashes either and he also has that robot eyelid look.

[Gigas]

Thinking further, I remember that look. Yul Brynner had it in west world.

He was a robot cowboy turned killer in that movie.

[Littleenki]

Well, some here seem to disagree on gun laws and who should and shouldnt own guns.

Really, there are a number(very high) of people who shouldnt be allowed around guns of any kind, and there are some who shouldnt even be allowed to hold sharp objects.

As far as how to solve the issue of the wrong people having guns, we could implement a psychiatric exam for everyone buying a gun from here on out, but that wouldnt stop all the nuts and cranks who own them already. Mental acuity isnt necessary for the gun ownership!

It should be.

I feel best having a CWP, and noone else knowing Im carrying, and when the time comes, well, the person who asks for it will get it.

I meet countless folks every day who could never control themselves with a firearm, and frankly I wouldnt trust them with one either.

Like a wise poster here pointed out, its not the guns, its the shooter which is the problem, and as long as anyone else can buy and carry one, so will I.

Teenagers with guns? Good Lord! They cant even handle a breakup with a boyfriend or girlfriend without a hormonal avalanche, how should they be allowed to have a deadly firearm at their disposal, and the way Ive seen some adults act after emotional events, its even less reason to allow anyone to carry.

In the old west, people had respect for their peers, today it's nearly nonexistent, clearly indicated by the lack of consideration for fellow humans so many people display today.

I could type all night on this one, but here it is in a nutshell....

If everyone has a gun, the population will thin quick, and millions will be killed in the first few years, and then bring in the lawyers and youve created the perfect storm of murder with a black hole sucking in all the common sense.

Going to bed now, with a 380 under pillow!:D

Cheers!
Littleenki

[Shasta56]

My nutshell:
1.  I'm a nurse, with a background in behavioral health.
2.  I belong to the NRA.
3.  The shooter, to me, appears psychotic.

Respectfully,

Shasta

[zorgon]

The evidence is clear.  Back in the "wild west" there was a 30% or greater lower crime rate in equivalent areas than in eastern towns where most citizens were presumed to be unarmed.  In the "wild west," everyOne was presumed to be.

Well no worries... the situation is under control... sorta

Record gun sales 2011

Record gun sales 2012



But now I am wondering just who it was that took out the police helicopter here a few years ago        

[petrus4]

You seem to suggest that the guns can take care of the problem.

No.  I'm suggesting, that when a particular demographic of the population, stops trying to dictate what is appropriate for everyone else, (including whether or not they have guns) then that will take care of the problem.

"But we can't do that!  They'll shoot each other!  A lot of people will die!"

Take a good look around.  What you're afraid of is already happening.  If we have to have a choice between a fascist state where people are killing each other, or an anarchic society where people are killing each other, my vote is always going to be for the latter, for two reasons.

a}  Although I'm going to die at some point anyway, (we all are) in an anarchic society, where I'm actually allowed to be armed, I potentially have a lot more control over how and when, than in a scenario where the cops have a monopoly on violence, and someone can break into my house and kill me without me being able to defend myself, and where if the cops show up, they're likely to be an even greater danger to me than the problem I called them to solve.

The main reason why people want the government to defend and protect them from everything, is because there is an overwhelming fear of death, and an implicit, underlying assumption that if the government will just protect them enough, eventually all potential causes of death will be removed. 

The only problem with this idea, (apart from the fact that it is completely unacknowledged and unconscious) is the fact that it won't work.  We aren't like Tolkien's Elves, where we can live forever if we aren't killed by something external.  We die of natural causes, even if we are completely safe, for our entirely lives anywayz.

b}  Most of the factors which cause people to be violent in the first place, stem from either inequality, or a lack of control over the direction of their own lives.  Get rid of government continually telling us what we can and can't do, and people will be able to start making that decision for themselves.  They will then become a lot happier, and I can promise you that you would see violence radically DECREASE as a result.  People like freedom; they've just been brainwashed in contemporary terms, to think it's a bad thing; and then they don't understand why they are so angry and miserable all the time.

Government safety advocates suffer from two main problems.

a}  There is no rational thought, because the underlying current of hysterical fear is sufficiently strong, that it completely paralyses higher brain function.

b}  There is a relentless, desperate craving to avoid even a vague semblance of personal responsibility.  Amaterasu is right when she says that information counter to what people have been given, can help them get past this; but where I get frustrated, is in the level of resistance that I've noticed that some people have, to accepting said information.

Forget the patsy Holmes claiming to impersonate the Joker.  Watch the below video.  To me, that is the Joker's fundamental message; and it's actually a very positive one.

The main difference between me and Amaterasu, is that although we both believe in and want fundamentally the same thing, is that her means of getting there involves the proverbial carrot.  Mine involves the stick.  Amaterasu is a Lightworker, in the more direct sense of the word.  My goal is the same, but I'm a very heavy Plutonian, astrologically speaking.  My approach stems from the philosophy that there is more than one way to skin a cat; and sometimes there needs to be.

I wrote my own answer to Amy's Abundance Paradigm, which I should post here.  It wasn't quite as cheerful as Izzy's account, I will admit; it was a little darker.

That is also why I have always related so much to Batman, (and to a lesser extent, actually the Joker as well) because sometimes, it isn't always the proverbial spoonfull of sugar that makes the required medicine go down. 

You mentioned alcoholism as an analogy.  For an alcoholic, sometimes the usual form of counselling will be effective.  Occasionally, however, there can be a need for intervention of a somewhat more abrupt and direct form.  I'm not entirely opposed to the use of shock therapy.

[Shasta56]

People have been stabbed to death, so let's outlaw kitchen utensils.  People have been beaten to death so let's outlaw shovels, baseball bats, hammers, fists.  People have commited suicide after being sexually assaulted.  Let's outlaw genitalia.  An argument can be made for cintrolling or outlawing any number of things.  But please don't let them oytlaw cast iron skillets.  I reserve the right to threaten my husband with mine.  I have yet to actually use it on him.

Shasta

[Littleenki]

People have been stabbed to death, so let's outlaw kitchen utensils.  People have been beaten to death so let's outlaw shovels, baseball bats, hammers, fists.  People have commited suicide after being sexually assaulted.  Let's outlaw genitalia.  An argument can be made for cintrolling or outlawing any number of things.  But please don't let them oytlaw cast iron skillets.  I reserve the right to threaten my husband with mine.  I have yet to actually use it on him.

Shasta

Mornin' Shasta!

When that cast iron skillet is worn out or gets rusty from forgetting it in the sink...it makes a great 100 yard target for a shootin' at!

I do agree with you nutshell, he is clearly psychotic, the eyes give that away easily, and for him to buy bullets and guns over a 6 month period, it happens everyday, as people who are new to shooting get wrapped up in it and purchase a lot of stuff from the onset, and then taper down after they own a bunch of gear.

The gubmint sees it all day, ad recognizes the obsessive behaviour of Americans to buy everything they can get their hands on, when they find a new hobby, whether it be video games , or guns.

So another guy from wherever who had no prior charges or convictions buys a crapload of bullets and guns?

No big deal, he's just protecting himself!

Theres one of these guys on every block and corner, we just havent seen the worst of it ....yet.