My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters

[zorgon]

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/01archives/Francis_Bacon_Supernova.html

[Glaucon]

I hear they need members

You're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds  wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.

[Pimander]

There is even a connection to Ashtar Command   Here he looks like a very young Francis Bacon

LOL 

Come on Z, an immortal father superior of a secret society responsible for the founding of the USA does not pretend to be some aliens here to save us.

Interesting material otherwise.

[zorgon]

Come on Z, an immortal father superior of a secret society responsible for the founding of the USA does not pretend to be some aliens here to save us.

True... that was comic relief but mostly I found t amusing that the New Age GFL people use his image   Perhaps it's one of those race memories

Interesting material otherwise.

As I said tip of the iceberg. I have a lot of material on the Count... even know where to visit in Romania where his original Mystic School is still operating. But most of it is in old books.

It will take time to trace the material on the web and sort it from the fluff.

Suggestions have been made by several "Illuminati" that the Count is of the Bloodline of the Grail...  If that is indeed true it could really lead to interesting conclusions

[zorgon]

You're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds  wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.

No actually I am serious   But perhaps the bad press they get keeps Looky Loos away

Simple solution is TRY IT  then you can find out from the inside the truth of the matter

Now the Knights of St John, the Templars and similar Orders are harder to join.  St John's for example you must have desire to help medically

[Sinny]

True... that was comic relief but mostly I found t amusing that the New Age GFL people use his image   Perhaps it's one of those race memories

As I said tip of the iceberg. I have a lot of material on the Count... even know where to visit in Romania where his original Mystic School is still operating. But most of it is in old books.

It will take time to trace the material on the web and sort it from the fluff.

Suggestions have been made by several "Illuminati" that the Count is of the Bloodline of the Grail...  If that is indeed true it could really lead to interesting conclusions

Such as the 'Windsor' house claiming to be descendants, and that would indeed lead to William as fulfilling the Antichrist Prophecy ? 

[Sinny]

So recently, as some of you probably know, I've been spending a lot of my time trying to learn about sacred geometry, and the potential technology of the ancient Egyptians; stuff which is traditionally considered the domain of Freemasonry, among other groups or individuals.

Yet despite my recent adoption of the belief that such material is, by itself, morally neutral, (or actually biased slightly towards positive or harmonious use) I remaind steadfast in my previous conviction that Freemasonry is a fundamentally infernal organisation.  I still remember hearing Richard Hoagland's emphatic claim to Kerry Cassidy that the Masons are, "the good guys."  I had misgivings about that idea back then, which have only grown.

My main reason for believing that Freemasonry is evil, is very simple.  The Masons cannot have it both ways.  They cannot claim to be, or in fact be, fundamentally responsible for the course of human history on the one hand, and yet maintain the claim of being a benevolent organisation on the other.  Given the nature of human history, particularly over the last 200 years, those two premises are completely irreconcilable. 

If they are the directors of collective human destiny, as has been the continual implication, then why are we continually immersed in war?  Why is our society defective and self-defeating at every possible level, to the point where we are threatened with extinction?

Let's hypothetically assume three concepts, here.

a}  A benevolent group exists.
b}  This group has advanced, even intimate knowledge, of the fundamental organisational and constructive principles of the known universe.
c}  This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.

Assuming, hypothetically, that the above three statements were correct, then I would expect to see human civilisation organised along radically different, even diametrically opposing, lines, to what we observe today.  I would not expect to see residential or commercial architecture be based around the rectangle, but around the shape of the pyramid, as such has been proven to be the most robust possible shape for a building.  I would also expect to see engineering in general, follow an infinitely higher standard, to the point where human engineering processes would actually augment and positively reinforce the terrestrial environment, rather than working to destroy it.

What I propose, then, is that while premise b} and c} above are true, premise a} is not.  That rather than being a benevolent or altruistically/compassionately oriented organisation, this group are, in fact, psychopaths of the very worst kind that humanity has been able to produce.  I accuse Masonry of the following three crimes:-

a}  That while having the level of knowledge of said harmonious organisational and architectural principles that they have, they have deliberately sought (with very close to complete success, I might add) to remove all access to, and knowledge of, said principles from the general human public.

b}  That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.

c}  That while they have organised and directed mainstream human society in such a manner that it is in direct opposition to the principles mentioned above, such that it would eventually destroy itself, they have maintained both knowledge and active use of said principles themselves, for their own exclusive aggrandisement, and to allow them to continue to subjugate and exploit the vast majority of humanity.

This is the first time that I have been able, when I look at it, to really consciously enunciate and provide myself with a truly concrete description of this conspiracy.  This is, however, also the reason why I am motivated to learn as much about the principles that I believe that they have deliberately withheld from the human population, as I possibly can.  I do not seek to learn such primarily for my own benefit; but I want to find a way, if such is possible, to also disclose said knowledge to anyone else who may be interested in it.  I believe that such could be indescribably empowering and liberating for humanity as a whole.

So I first read this thread about 3 days ago and I initially agreed with this above post whole heartedly.

Then I got about 3 pages in and had to deal with the anti-thesis offered by the other members in support of secret societies.

I had to spend a whole day and evening contemplating the reasoning behind 'keeping some things secret'.

In the end I concluded that I remain opposed to secrecy for the following reasons:

1) Secret Knowledge is quite obviously already in the hands of the evil doers. I'm pretty sure sharing it with the rest of us can't hurt humanity any more so than we are already hurt..

2) The majority of people in these societies are probably nice people, however the very system they operate within (secrecy) is a breeding ground for the evil doers to infiltrate.

3) A lot of these charity organisations operate on 2 levels. As do certain 'adepts' within certain occult societies. Overtly and Covertly.

For example WWF, massively supported since 1961 by the Nazi and poacher Prince Phillip - Under the guise of WWF they have managed to wipe out most of the worlds endangered species and make several land grabs. Causing far more harm than they ever would have if they had not have existed.

I do wonder how many of these 'Charitable Organisations' formed in the loins of 'secrecy' reflect the same pattern?
I don't have figures yet, but it is an interesting line of thought.

Look at Savile for example, he done his Charity work along side is demon behaviour, why? Some rites require the balance or offering of positive/negative Karma.

This is just a quick post, compiled with my boss looking at me across the way - and so this message could be composed better. However for now, that is the main reasoning why I believe secrecy is not the answer.

If we lived in a free and open society, every body would be held accountable for their actions, and we the public could vet positions for any potential psychopaths. I could see US (no secret peeps) being far more effective in this vetting manner than our secret brothers and sisters - who have failed dismally at keeping their info from the wrong hands thus far.

Petrus... Thoughts?

I have never seen you retract from any of your gut instincts prior to this post.

[petrus4]

Petrus... Thoughts?

I have never seen you retract from any of your gut instincts prior to this post.

I retracted to the extent that I felt Zorgon was partly justified in calling me a hypocrite; and I was also led to believe that I had expressed a certain amount of excessive arrogance and sensationalism in my wording, which was inappropriate.

My primary feeling about the Masons these days, is that they are used as a front group, to varying degrees.  You also make a very good point that while it can be superficially good for publicity, the majority of philanthropy ultimately tends to have insidious objectives.

I am still strongly inclined to believe that the majority (if not all) of Marx' philosophy was probably hammered out within Masonic meetings; and it is still true that a lot of truly prominent scientists from the latter half of the last millennium were Masons.  Some may try and claim that that doesn't prove anything sinister, but I still believe it does.  Newton was a Mason, depending on who you ask, and quantum theory is demonstrating, if not that Newton was fundamentally wrong, that there is at least much more going on than what he was able to discover.

Then there is the entire materialistic/anti-aetheric garden path that Descartes has led us all down.  Was Descartes a Mason?  Who knows, but trying to figure it out leads you to such mad whisperings as this.

So I think my initial contention still stands; that to at least a certain degree, the Masons and groups like them know a lot more about universal law (what Blavatsky referred to as the Secret Doctrine) than the rest of us do, and that at least up until recently, they have withheld the truth, while giving the public a model of science which is largely diametrically opposed to said truth.

The real problem with said science, is that it is just good enough that an atheist who otherwise does not think very deeply, can point to all the wonderful technology that we supposedly have, and use that as a rationalisation for claiming that my above contention is false. 

If you really look at it, however, said technology actually is not all that great at all; not compared to what it could be.  Most here know enough about Tesla's work, to also know that technologically we are at least a century behind where we should be.  We should have computers designed with modularity, and completely interchangeable parts, so that if something breaks, we simply slot in a new piece, and the rest of the device keeps going.  We should also have cars and appliances that literally last for centuries; with brushless motors and minimal moving parts, that is possible.

Technology itself, mind you, is much more a symptom than the actual disease.  The very fact that we rely on purely mechanistic forms of technology rather than being taught to harness our own inherent abilities, is the real problem.  Were it not for occult secrecy, the mobile phone and its' attendant miseries would not need to exist, for organic telepathy would be considered normal, as it indeed is within indigenous societies.

I can be paternalistically reprimanded for maintaining my opinion as much as anyone cares to do so.  Said reprimandment, in and of itself, is not going to discourage me from my position.  If anything, in the absence of a compelling logical counter-argument, it is actually likely to reinforce my certainty in it.  The tools of rhetoric are just as much available to anyone else, as they are to me.  If I am wrong, let me therefore be proven so.

[Glaucon]

No actually I am serious   But perhaps the bad press they get keeps Looky Loos away

Simple solution is TRY IT  then you can find out from the inside the truth of the matter

Now the Knights of St John, the Templars and similar Orders are harder to join.  St John's for example you must have desire to help medically

sometimes I can absolutely not tell when you're employing a sarcastic tone.

For the record, my question you replied to was rhetorical.

GLORIA DEI EST CELARE VERBUM. AMEN.

[Somamech]

THE Absolute OF Anything is true if you put your mind to it!

In this world you have that stinking Mind first, and that is not your brain as many would think.  You then have your program which is your brain living out a hologram or something like that. 

To say a structured learning method is all against us is sorta dumb. I would think the opposite. 

On a personal note I had a four colour pen drop.... and reside on a three year old application form out of the blue to the Rosie Cross. 

The above mean's a lot to me, d     

[Sinny]

"Anything that is concealed is a secret. The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates their possessor from the community. In small doses, this poison may actually be a priceless remedy, even an essential preliminary to the differentiation of the individual."
—Carl Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul

[Pimander]

"Anything that is concealed is a secret. The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates their possessor from the community

This can be true but like most truths there are exceptions.  There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves.  I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag.  It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.

Not all secrets are harmful to those not in the know.  Envy and jealousy are not pleasant emotions in either the keeper of a secret, or the seeker.  However, the desire to allow people the possibility of Gnosis is a noble cause.

[Somamech]

Holding steady to a secret, is the secret

I sometime's find it weird that people get so bent up about certain secret's when it pertains to matter's of the mind which are free to learn. 

All the secret's to the world are in front of you, me, and him, and her LOL



As someone who has read a myriad of book's regarding how to live life... it's kinda grand and odd that John Lear summed it up so eloquently....

Live your life without hate greed or envy

[Sinny]

This can be true but like most truths there are exceptions.  There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves.  I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag.  It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.

Not all secrets are harmful to those not in the know.  Envy and jealousy are not pleasant emotions in either the keeper of a secret, or the seeker.  However, the desire to allow people the possibility of Gnosis is a noble cause.

My conumdrum is ... I wouldn't know I if knew this secret that you acknowledge, because the one you are referring to, you are keeping secret.

Or is it like a Matrix moment?  Will I know this secret when I discover this secret, and know that it is a secret that you an I share?

Or do I need to join a society for confimation?

[petrus4]

My conumdrum is ... I wouldn't know I if knew this secret that you acknowledge, because the one you are referring to, you are keeping secret.

I can give you a less dramatic example, Sinny.

There is in existence, a certain magical grimoire (publically available; copies of it are all over the Internet) known as the Lesser Key of Solomon.  It instructs readers on how to summon demons from a particular group, called the 72 Chief Spirits.  I summoned one of the four kings from that group once; spoke to it, heard it, and greatly endangered myself as a result of doing so.  I therefore don't do things like that, these days.





Magick does have legitimate and exceptionally serious dangers.  If guarding against those was the cabal's genuine intention, then I would have absolutely no objection to that.  The problem is that real protection of the outer court is not their genuine motive; it is merely the excuse they use, for maintaining a veil around things that generally should not be kept secret at all.

Evocation in particular as a practice, can be likened to the use of psychedelics.  Potentially, it is an extremely dangerous practice to engage in, although its' positive benefits can be equally great.  As a result, while said practice itself should be tightly regulated in my opinion, it is one of those things where trying to conveniently pretend that it does not exist, greatly increases its' danger, rather than reducing it.  If someone is determined to do something stupid, then you at least want them to know how to minimise the risk that they are going to take, and there are ways to do that.