My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters

[rose]

Yes, thank you, Sleeper, Sarge, and Soma

integrity is essential. "Walkiing the talk" so to speak, in the inner and outer worlds.

Students are told from the beginning that the Secret lies within, but the governor on their development says they can't know it until they know it. 

rose

"What if I fail?
"But, oh, my darling...what if you fly?"

[zorgon]

It sounds so noble. but  it can be a real drag, particularly in the beginning when all we have to go on is blind faith in a chosen path.  The first rosy glow of newness fades with the realization that in order to "get there" we are going to have to develop the mental strength to refuse  to give in to thoughts that knock  us off center.

Who said dedication is noble? LOL  It has been my experience that dedication in ANY task we do is boring and tedious and hard work.  But you cannot pay your mortgage and have a nice car and live debt free if you are a person that doesn't like hard work unless your born rich or you have a good street corner to beg on ( but even THAT guy went to work that corner every day)

Yes we are all blind at birth, though we do carry with us some of what we learned in the past. And it is generally accepted that as you advance, you retain more (or have easy access to it)

That's not nearly as much fun as wallowing in our excesses. And the nature of our runaway minds makes it  seem like we are condemned to a lifetime of cleaning the Augean stables.

Perhaps even several lifetimes   You cannot learn all you need from being a King. Maybe you also need to see what it's like as a cripple

But I do agree that in the modern world there is so much noise and access to just bad information that it is very easy to be confused. In my case the Rosicrucians "appeared" when I was ready.  What I mean is this... I had run out of research in libraries. At that time there was no internet and only a few BBS services to local computers with a Commodore 64  (about 40 megs capacity )

I had discovered that there were TWO places in the world I needed to visit to get more info and continue my search  One was the Pyramids of Giza and the other the Tibetan Potala Monastery at Lhasa.  At that point I got a pamphlet in the mail from the RC  On the cover was the two areas I needed more info on.  This was in October... I then moved to Winnipeg in Dec at a moments notice for a job...  no one but my parents knew where I would be staying temporarily with a friend... yet I got a Christmas card addressed to that address from the RC  That was it  I was hooked

Metaphorically speaking,  we might say that Hercules used  the twin flows of chi to carry away the sludge. We can do that, too, with our mental sludge, though we will have to do it again, tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow. 

Oddly enough repeitition is what makes something (anything) we do become habitual so we can do it without any more conscious thought.  A mechanic can 'see' with his fingers and pick out a bolt from one mixed bucket and natch it to a nut in another mixed bucket virtually instantly with a mere glance...

Secret Societies use rituals and repetition not because of some evil dark secret but as a tool to make your lessons flow without though. Sadly many modern brotherhoods have forgotten the purpose of ritual and just go through the motions

The Masons are mostly just a good old boys club that help each other in business... not much else

It really does get easier, as an "initiate" gets stronger.  Those who have advanced a good way along the path may feel it's okay to slack off on cleaning the sludge once in a while. But let them get too far away, and they are likely to experience a smack or two of instant karma, a firm reminder that there are better ways to direct those powerful thoughts and emotions.

The sludge isn't all that bad when you get used to it and someone has to do it   Many lazy people that complain about everything forget that someone else is cleaning up THEIR sludge   And yeah Karma will get ya for it

So how is the Old Sea Hag doing these days?  People keep linking me to stuff like "Zorgon's Reaction" but I just don't have time to play with those delusions

[Pimander]

The Masons are mostly just a good old boys club that help each other in business... not much else

Dining club and old men dressing up.

So how is the Old Sea Hag doing these days?  People keep linking me to stuff like "Zorgon's Reaction" but I just don't have time to play with those delusions

So are you going to meet up with her.  

[Sinny]

Poblem is tho Pi, that a lot of those 'old men' at these 'dining' meetings are creating our lawful policies.
(As Channel 4 documented recently)
And helping their 'bothers' along the way.

Us?

Sidelined.

Secect Societies and politics? Big no no.

Ah, there we go see, I've found the obvious synthesis, why was that so difficult?

Seperate the two.

[burntheships]

Sinny,

You have a very astute observation there.



I could write a few pages on a real life first person experience concerning
such, and more. For obvious reasons though, I refrain.

[Sinny]

Thanks BTS,

Such a relatively small thought, I can't believe it took so long to cross my train of thought.

I've always known that we need to take the 'business' out of politics, but to do that, we need to remove their system of operation too.

[burntheships]

Sinny,

Sometimes it is the obvious that we dont notice at first.

During my years of study into the history, it seems evident there is
a definite pool of members cemented into the cause of politics,
even on a grand scale of international politics.
And, of course not that we dont need some good politicians, and
I am sure there are some fine freemasons out there...

And there are a few other ways that the brotherhood works.
Here is an account, rare that it made the news....and it gives
an insight into how it might play out, the oaths etc.

http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/v-i-high-court-orders-hearing-on-removal-of-suspected-mason-1.1205445

After posting that link, I will again state my opinon that many freemasons
are good guys, not like those in the story. 

[zorgon]

So are you going to meet up with her.  

Why so she can show mw a drivers licence? LOL That is all Mikado said she ever showed him and there are 24 Linda Brown's in Nevada DMV alone

Every REAL person I know has a wall full of their lifelong achievments (or an album) Family photos, documents, awards, certifictaes Etc. No matter how insignificant they are they have such a record. It's what Hu-mons do.

When Ed Fouche presented his 'documents' at Open Minds it took him THREE MONTHS to produce "hundreds"  LOL I can go to John's house with a camera and get his in about 10 seconds.

Ed Fouche then posted stuff online at Alien Scientists forum including CIA badges etc that meant nothing (other than making people think it was official stuff. He had a photo of himself (back to camera) in front of the Stealth Fighter at Area 51. That images was taken at Palmdale and the name of the person was verified so he fudged it

One day when I get spare cash I may hire a private investigator just for kicks but right now I am broke and have important bills to pay. I hear someone else on here has an Ancesrty.com account and was planning to look

Now here is a real Spook who came out openly on ATS...  mfluder... He claimed he was Army Intel  When asked to show ID he said he was not allowed to show his card online so he sent this instead and asked "Will THIS do?"



Yeah that will do

Point is REAL people have no problem vetting themselves ATS requires it of anyone that makes claims to being someone  even if only to staff in private

When someone fights you to give such proof you have to wonder WHY

BTW  His coming out of the closet was funny  because it freaked out the OP and proved that there are spooks at ATS   LOL

[zorgon]

Poblem is tho Pi, that a lot of those 'old men' at these 'dining' meetings are creating our lawful policies.

Not quite true

The vast majority of 'regular' Masons are the old boys dining club that we mention. But there are the higher level groups that DO 'help each other to rule the politics" There is no denying that. These would be the top tiers of the Scottish Rights, the Bonesmen, the Bilderberg Club etc.

And yes they would help even YOU if you wanted that kind of help After all Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands was/is? head of the Bilderbergs and Hillary Clinton is a member...

If you want to be someone in politics that would be your ticket  But remember that only the good politicians get assassinated

[Sinny]

Sinny,

Sometimes it is the obvious that we dont notice at first.

During my years of study into the history, it seems evident there is
a definite pool of members cemented into the cause of politics,
even on a grand scale of international politics.
And, of course not that we dont need some good politicians, and
I am sure there are some fine freemasons out there...

And there are a few other ways that the brotherhood works.
Here is an account, rare that it made the news....and it gives
an insight into how it might play out, the oaths etc.

http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/v-i-high-court-orders-hearing-on-removal-of-suspected-mason-1.1205445

After posting that link, I will again state my opinon that many freemasons
are good guys, not like those in the story. 

That's an interesting news story BTS.

Of course, we don't want to 'over play' the extent of these conspiritorial actions, but I'd take care not to underestimate them either..

After all a lot of these business types do get off 'Scot Free'.

[burntheships]

That's an interesting news story BTS.

Of course, we don't want to 'over do' the extent of these conspiritorial actions, but I'd take care not to underestimate them too..

After all a lot of these business types do get off 'Scot Free'.

Yep, as Z mentioned look no further than The Bilderbergs.

And good one on that Scot Free 

[Sinny]

The thought of 'going legit' with my chosen educational route has never crossed my mind. You are quite correct in your assessment, I do not under estimate the British establishment, people are always getting bumped off over here, they mastered the art of that long ago.

Me and the system would not get very far.

The current masses in Britain aren't really people that you can rally politically at the moment (well, apart fom Ireland and Scotsland), most are docile, and the rest disillusioned with the political system full stop.

The next revolution will be a violent one, as JFK once predicted.

I'm just occupying myself in the mean time.

[Sinny]

Yep, as Z mentioned look no further than The Bilderbergs.

And good one on that Scot Free 

As I say, I know there are majority good peeps involved, but they create the veil that is required.

I just believe that if we were to collectively elect a governing body to co-ordinate us a people, then those people should have no hidden investments not open to scrutiny.

Surely that's a fair policy?

[Fair, an elusive expeience in this world]

If some people seek the privledges of secrecy, they can do it with their own poker chips, not 'ours'. (Would of saved us the whole national debt, of which I am foced to contitbute to £101 per annum, my tax slip says so; and all this because I was guilty of being born)

The metaphor of 1% vs 99% (not wholly accurate but it works), what systems have created this blatant inequality?

Figure out what they are, and remove them.

From my perspective, secrecy is one of the top at the list, among others naturally.

In addition to discussing the Freemasons on a macro Level, it is herein important to note that on a micro level, something like 80 or more percent of allll our MP's went to the same school, and were all in the same (British version of) fraternities.

The Brits just keep a lid on things better that our American cousins.
And in further additon to that, many of our 'Lords' are high ranking Freemasons, as are our 'Royal' (wretched) household.

Very local to IMO.

The policies they pass through ae absurd, they in no way represent we the people, they are clearly representing themselves.

This is all in the MSN, let alone me trying to stress the bizarre scenario.

[burntheships]

As I say, I know there are majority good peeps involved, but they create the veil that is required.

Ah, Sinny your on an insightful streak here.

I just believe that if we were to collectively elect a governing body to co-orinate us a people, those people should have no hidden investments not open to scrutiny.

I agree with everything your saying...which is why I would be
casting a vote for a candidate that stands against this status quo
in Washington. Few and far between they are, and likely will not
occupy POTUS for that very reason.

The metaphor of 1% vs 99% (not wholly accurate but it works), what systems have created this blatant inequality?

Figure out what they are, and remove them.

From my perspective, secrecy is one of the top at the list, among others naturally.

Agree on the basic premise, ( I think the occupy movement was mostly
astroturf but some genuine activists also, just my opinion  )
I try to hold out hope for an honest candidate to make it to office
one of these days, not holding my breath. Those in the upper echelons
are privy to a lot of information, as Hillary would know ask her
about Cattle Futures. Of course, she still skims along the pond scum
afloat in the corrupt waters, And political favors traded for donations,
it really makes a mockery of the offices.

Many players to keep it all crusty at the top, buddies like Jon Corzine
and players in the Federal Reserve and SEC to boot.

[Sinny]

"Society is like a stew, the scum will rise to the top if you don't stir it now and then".