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Started by A51Watcher, August 22, 2012, 05:43:30 AM

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spacemaverick

Quote from: spacemaverick on August 23, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
May I offer another explanation?  Could this be a film blemish?
I offer the following link which indicates that blemishes do happen during film processing.

http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/ABOUT_SCANS/index.html

These are apollo pictures but ASU says that film blemishes do happen.  Could be static electricity that made an impression on the film.  Not throwing water on anyones suggestions but offering one of my own.

Will wait for Sgt. Rock and see what he has regarding the anomaly.
From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

ArMaP

Here's a link to a photo with an electric discharge that happened inside a camera while rewinding the film.

I asked my sister but she never saw it on photos, she only saw it happening while unwinding the roll while in the dark room.

Sgt.Rocknroll

Ok, guys it seems it was Photobucket that was having the problem, so I switched to Imageshak.
The following screenshots were taken from a 2000jpeg 6.6 gig file.

The first image shows the original anomaly.



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The second image shows both anomalies. if you draw a line from the original up and to the left, you'll see the other one. Its on a straight line and I'm assuming they are the same.




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The third image is a close up of the second anomaly so you can see it's the same type.





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So what's the verdict?

Peace 8)
Rock
Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini Tuo da gloriam

rdunk

#48
Did someone mention the "2nd discharge anomaly, or, did you just find it? I don't remember it being mentioned before now.

So, it is in the same pic - straight line and higher??

Yes, I did go look on the original pic, and did find what what you termed as a 2nd piece like this.

Could be, but, doesn't look much like the op item.

spacemaverick

If you look real close in the second image you will find a third and it does not show up real clear.
From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

rdunk

When I go to a different site for the Apollo pics, the 2nd one is not visible anywhere in the photo. The 1st is there, but not the 2 nd.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS16-P-4095

spacemaverick

I may be way off base but my opinion is that it is Electrostatic discharge on the film from the film process.  I would say "film process blemish."  I am by no means an expert but ran across moon images before, where I thought I was seeing some tunnels and the link I went to on the ASU site for the images showed me where I was viewing process blemishes.  I await the experts opinion.
From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

Sgt.Rocknroll

The difference in the resolution between the other formats and the 2000jpeg file is incredible. I didn't see the second anomaly until I viewed it with the HI-Res viewer. As I said before, I believe this a 'glitch' in the film or camera. Regardless of the light source or the content of the anomaly, there would be more lighting of the surrounding area, and there just isn't...

I'm considering downloading more 2000jpeg files but it takes so long and I don't want to piss of my cable company...lolol..

Peace  8)
Rock
Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini Tuo da gloriam

ArMaP

One thing I noticed is that near the brightest part of the discharge we can see some darker lines, parallel to the line from the discharge is coming, and it looks to me like something was being illuminated by the light of the discharge, something like a nearby piece of the camera.

And yes, I noticed the smaller discharge on the viewer, a well calibrated monitor is an important piece of equipment when analysing images. :)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 24, 2012, 12:19:31 AM
The difference in the resolution between the other formats and the 2000jpeg file is incredible.
What's the resolution of that file? I downloaded one of the TIFF files (1/8 or the full image), and the resolution is an impressive 39793 x 25448.

rdunk

Well, now that's settled, what are your thoughts on the anomaly I posted in reply #36 in this thread?? Thus far no one has mentioned it!

A51Watcher

Quote from: rdunk on August 24, 2012, 02:36:38 AM
Well, now that's settled, what are your thoughts on the anomaly I posted in reply #36 in this thread?? Thus far no one has mentioned it!

Well there is another one I spotted down and diagonally to the right of the first one I posted about 7 inches away at full zoom), and I mentioned it to Zorgon, but held off mentioning it here at least until everyone had a chance to chime in and possibly explain it.

It is similar in nature but much less spectacular.



A51Watcher

#56
Quote from: spacemaverick on August 23, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
May I offer another explanation?  Could this be a film blemish?
I offer the following link which indicates that blemishes do happen during film processing.

http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/ABOUT_SCANS/index.html

These are apollo pictures but ASU says that film blemishes do happen.  Could be static electricity that made an impression on the film.  Not throwing water on anyones suggestions but offering one of my own.



ok now that I have had a moment to catch up on the thread and follow the various links, I'm  pretty confident spacemaverick found the answer(s) for us.


From his link, first off the schematic of the camera -









... and then some examples of the 'blemishes' (Electrostatic discharge)  that occured -









I would have to say case closed.



Great work spacemaverick!!  8)

PRC rocks.






A51Watcher

Quote from: rdunk on August 24, 2012, 02:36:38 AM
Well, now that's settled, what are your thoughts on the anomaly I posted in reply #36 in this thread?? Thus far no one has mentioned it!


Looks like the anomaly in #36 is right up Sarge's alley rdunk, certainly not mine.

We have an expert for everything here.  8)

PRC rocks.



spacemaverick

Thanks A51!!  I still want to believe that there are things up there that would tell us undeniably that there are beings there.  The evidence is there, I just need to believe it.  Guess that will take time.  Glad you found that camera picture and the blemish artifacts.  That other one in 36 has me baffled.  Looks like a tower to me.
From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

A51Watcher



I also want to thank everyone who participated in this thread, the analytical and creative ideas put forth were all top- notch!

AND...

All views were discussed and bandied about in a polite and friendly manner!

How awesome is that?!!  ;D


I see this trend in many and most of the threads around here.


Thank you  8)