weather upsets

[sky otter]

 

Wow and now the bank guys..

World Bank Climate Change Report Says 'Turn Down The Heat' On Warming Planet
Reuters  |  Posted: 11/18/2012 7:00 pm EST Updated: 11/18/2012 7:49 pm EST

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/18/world-bank-climate-change-report_n_2156082.html

* Poorest regions hit hardest
* World Bank focuses on climate change under new chief
* Must balance climate change with energy needs of poor

By Anna Yukhananov

WASHINGTON, Nov 18 (Reuters) - All nations will suffer the effects of a warmer world, but it is the world's poorest countries that will be hit hardest by food shortages, rising sea levels, cyclones and drought, the World Bank said in a report on climate change.

Under new World Bank President Jim Yong Kim, the global development lender has launched a more aggressive stance to integrate climate change into development.

"We will never end poverty if we don't tackle climate change. It is one of the single biggest challenges to social justice today," Kim told reporters on a conference call on Friday.

The report, called "Turn Down the Heat," highlights the devastating impact of a world hotter by 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 Fahrenheit) by the end of the century, a likely scenario under current policies, according to the report.

Climate change is already having an effect: Arctic sea ice reached a record minimum in September, and extreme heat waves and drought in the last decade have hit places like the United States and Russia more often than would be expected from historical records, the report said.

Such extreme weather is likely to become the "new normal" if the temperature rises by 4 degrees, according to the World Bank report. This is likely to happen if not all countries comply with pledges they have made to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Even assuming full compliance, the world will warm by more than 3 degrees by 2100.

In this hotter climate, the level of the sea would rise by up to 3 feet, flooding cities in places like Vietnam and Bangladesh. Water scarcity and falling crop yields would exacerbate hunger and poverty.

Extreme heat waves would devastate broad swaths of the earth's land, from the Middle East to the United States, the report says. The warmest July in the Mediterranean could be 9 degrees hotter than it is today -- akin to temperatures seen in the Libyan desert.

The combined effect of all these changes could be even worse, with unpredictable effects that people may not be able to adapt to, said John Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, which along with Climate Analytics prepared the report for the World Bank.

"If you look at all these things together, like organs cooperating in a human body, you can think about acceleration of this dilemma," said Schellnhuber, who studied chaos theory as a physicist. "The picture reads that this is not where we want the world to go."

SHOCKED INTO ACTION

As the first scientist to head the World Bank, Kim has pointed to "unequivocal" scientific evidence for man-made climate change to urge countries to do more.

Kim said 97 percent of scientists agree on the reality of climate change.

"It is my hope that this report shocks us into action," Kim, writes in the report.

Scientists are convinced that global warming in the past century is caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. These findings by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations in a joint statement in 2010.

Kim said the World Bank plans to further meld climate change with development in its programs.

Last year, the Bank doubled its funding for countries seeking to adapt to climate change, and now operates $7.2 billion in climate investment funds in 48 countries.

The World Bank study comes as almost 200 nations will meet in Doha, Qatar, from Nov. 26 to Dec. 7 to try to extend the Kyoto Protocol, the existing plan for curbing greenhouse gas emissions by developed nations that runs to the end of the year.

They have been trying off and on since Kyoto was agreed in 1997 to widen limits on emissions but have been unable to find a formula acceptable to both rich and poor nations.

Emerging countries like China, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, have said the main responsibility to cut emissions lies with developed nations, which had a headstart in sparking global warming.

Combating climate change also poses a challenge for the poverty-fighting World Bank: how to balance global warming with immediate energy needs in poor countries.

In 2010, the World Bank approved a $3.75 billion loan to develop a coal-fired power plant in South Africa despite lack of support from the United States, Netherlands and Britain due to environmental concerns.

"There really is no alternative to urgent action given the devastating consequences of climate change," global development group Oxfam said in a statement. "Now the question for the World Bank is how it will ensure that all of its investments respond to the imperatives of the report."

Kim said the World Bank tries to avoid investing in coal unless there are no other options.

"But at the same time, we are the group of last resort in finding needed energy in countries that are desperately in search of it," he said.

[biggles]

Some say there is global warming and others say there is not, I dont know what to believe now.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Warming and cooling happens alright, but the Question remains.

Is it attributed to human behavior ?

Or is it just Natural, involving the Earths "Thermal Cycles" ?

I tend to go with the latter, but excessive "Energy Production", may also play a small part, but the systems involved in the Earth's behavior, may even adjust, over-ride or offset human input ?

It can't be proven either way !

It's a "political football" !

It's NOT so much the make up of the Earths Atmosphere, taking into account human input of undesirable amounts of some gasses, but rather it may be the amount of "Energy" we are generating, involving the Industrial world, as well as our transport systems and living habits such as Centralization etc.

[Pimander]

[zorgon]

Some say there is global warming and others say there is not, I dont know what to believe now.

try listening to me

There IS Global Warming.... the fact that the planet overall average is hotter now than in the past is a FACT that can be measured.

The ones that say there is no Global warming mean in the context that MANKIND created it

Posted this before... 415,000 year record of ice cores from Antarctica that tell you when we had global warming and when we had global cooling. Its a cycle. Like tree rings, ice core samples don't lie.

Only thing is the cycle is not regular. See the chart... the planet is MOSTLY in the cold side of things. What appears to be happening is we are seeking a second hot peak... though we should be seeing a return of the next cooling trens by now. 

It IS possible that the heating can trigger an ice age... look at the chart... every time the temp has changed its a SUDDEN CHANGE  over a few years relatively speaking. The slopes on the graph are steep every time



When it gets hotter, water dries up, there will be shortages and food will be hard to grow without water

Right now it's near the end of November. We still have 75-80 degree days The irises are already coming up again.  Last year we had only 2 days of below zero... around thanksgiving. This year it didn't go below freezing yet and all the leaves are still on the tree. Nov is usually the coldest month here... and I am still going outside with a t-shirt

Last April we hit 100F mid April   Then from the start of may to Oct we stayed at 100 or higher this year. I have that recorded in record ever AC bills that nearly killed us.

So yeah there IS global warming, but no, we didn't cause it... its a cycle.

So bring on those chemtrails... we are going to need them ASAP 

[Pimander]

It's a "political football" !

[The Matrix Traveller]

You must be reading my Mind...     That's cheating...   

[sky otter]

maybe we should think of moving north..


http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15475225-were-lucky-nordic-land-rising-faster-than-sea-level?lite

'We're lucky': Nordic land rising faster than sea level

By Reuters
LULEA, Sweden -- A Stone Age camp that used to be by the shore is now 125 miles from the Baltic Sea. Sheep graze on what was the seabed in the 15th century. And Sweden's port of Lulea risks getting too shallow for ships.


In contrast to worries from the Maldives to Manhattan of storm surges and higher ocean levels caused by climate change, the entire northern part of the Nordic region is rising and, as a result, the Baltic Sea is receding.

"In a way we're lucky," said Lena Bengten, environmental strategist at the Lulea Municipality in Sweden, pointing to damage from superstorm Sandy that killed more than 200 people from Haiti to the United States.

The uplift of almost 0.4 inches a year, one of the highest rates in the world, is part of a continuing geological rebound since the end of the Ice Age removed a vast ice sheet from regions around the Arctic Circle.



the rest  of the story is at the link


oh yeah i forgot to say that this makes me pause when i think about where they put the seed bank
what is really known and by whom?


if i rv the future it will be to take a look at the history books..if anyone bothered to write some

[Shasta56]

As Zorgon said, tree rings and ice cores don't lie.  Geological records also indicate that the magnetic poles have shifted at various times in the past.  Some people think that's what we have coming next month.  I guess we'll find out.

Shasta

[robomont]

maybe its being used as a way to stabilize the world economy by taxing the hot economies and stimulating the cool ones.
this would settle the world down,thus stabilizing world markets.carbon tax +HAARP=world peace and lots of rich beurocrats.
dont worry,the us army said they would have total control of the weather by 2025.

[zorgon]

i saw that greenland ice sheet melting video.
creeped me out.
as far as where did the water go?

When sea ice melts it the water takes up LESS SPACE than the ice   The water went into the space left by the ice

[zorgon]

ok..i'm reading this and going what?..huh?
frozen methane under the sea floor..destabilized...how?
and then got to here..

I did a thread on that methane... but not sure it was moved here. Might have been at open Minds or Spookville

Gulf Oil spill... the biggest reason they couldn't cap them was that methane (usually associated with oil) was coming out of that hole at TEN TIMES normal expected pressure and just kept blowing.

Redondo beach fish kill (one of many bird and fish kills last year) cause was huge methane release from mud volcanoes of Redondo beach... Killed the fish instantly

Yes Victoria it really IS Swamp Gas this time

So maybe the Earth IS expanding and this methane gas is blowing it up like a balloon with some escaping in holes we made

[robomont]

supposedly al jazeera just did a report on the gulf of mexico.
if the report is to be believed,the gulf is screwed for at least forty years.
the worst part is the coverup.

[thorfourwinds]

supposedly al jazeera just did a report on the gulf of mexico.
if the report is to be believed,the gulf is screwed for at least forty years.
the worst part is the coverup.

Greetings:

Whilst we may not be Al Jazeera, this may be of interest:

Mutated Fish, Eyeless Shrimp, Clawless Crabs: GOM Fisheries Devastated

Peace Love Light

tfw   

Liberty & Equality or Revolution

[Captain Dave]

try listening to me

There IS Global Warming.... the fact that the planet overall average is hotter now than in the past is a FACT that can be measured.

The ones that say there is no Global warming mean in the context that MANKIND created it

Posted this before... 415,000 year record of ice cores from Antarctica that tell you when we had global warming and when we had global cooling. Its a cycle. Like tree rings, ice core samples don't lie.

Only thing is the cycle is not regular. See the chart... the planet is MOSTLY in the cold side of things. What appears to be happening is we are seeking a second hot peak... though we should be seeing a return of the next cooling trens by now. 

It IS possible that the heating can trigger an ice age... look at the chart... every time the temp has changed its a SUDDEN CHANGE  over a few years relatively speaking. The slopes on the graph are steep every time



When it gets hotter, water dries up, there will be shortages and food will be hard to grow without water

Right now it's near the end of November. We still have 75-80 degree days The irises are already coming up again.  Last year we had only 2 days of below zero... around thanksgiving. This year it didn't go below freezing yet and all the leaves are still on the tree. Nov is usually the coldest month here... and I am still going outside with a t-shirt

Last April we hit 100F mid April   Then from the start of may to Oct we stayed at 100 or higher this year. I have that recorded in record ever AC bills that nearly killed us.

So yeah there IS global warming, but no, we didn't cause it... its a cycle.

So bring on those chemtrails... we are going to need them ASAP 

If you stick a space heater in a room - even if it's a big room - the temperature will change. = Fact

Think of Earth as a BIG room. Think of all the devices we use that create heat - Car's, Trucks, Jets, Airconditioners, Machinery, Phones,  Factories ETC ETC ETC.

Now look at a city from a distance. Look at all the heat rising from that city - on a daily 24 hour basis, 24/7 365 days a year for Decades. Now look at all the cities around the World. Each city pushing out heat at the same time around the globe 24/7 365 for decades.

Global Cities = Space heaters around the world. The temperature will change as a result of this - that's fact.

There are also natural occurances as you've pointed out and we're throwing off the natural balance with human made heat. = Fact

There is almost never just one factor, there are always many to consider.