are the mibs on here?

[zorgon]

Yes, though most have survived to see another day. We can make this a profitable one, with the right people at the correct stations.

Ah yes but we speak of different things Mine was a $200 Million project that I still have the option on

Now imagine a 'theme park' that had Otis Carr type 'amusement rides'

[biggles]

I can't highlight sorry, but your reply quoting a court order and a ping to this site.

Once again, my brain thinks that if the agencies can psy ops any part of the world and look through a satellite and spy anywhere in the world, then they must have higher tech that would bypass any security measure on any forum.  It just stands to reason.  Otherwise any place they were spying on would know that their doing it.  Just saying.

Not that they might be interested in anything we say privately, its just I believe they have that tech imho.

[zorgon]

Well if you believe that then what does it matter?

They can just pluck the evil thoughts out of your head

Now if you go around saying you want to shoot Obama and post that  as an ex marine on Facebook, yeah you will likely get hauled away to jail or a psyche evaluation like that marine was

But then we all know facebook is CIA owned..

So if your worried about spooks listening in to you, you need to not post at a conspiracy site  and if you are afraid they 'they' can RV your mind then you need to think about floweres and cute little puppies or ferrets

(you being a generic you meaning anyone)

[biggles]

Considering I have given the elite a standing invitation to take me at any time so I can have a tete a tete with their big cohuna, the last thing I am worried about is them seeing what I have to write.

In fact it is about 11 years since 9/11, And Has Any Friggin Body Been Arrested Yet besides the wrong ones..............NO.

So they can read whatever they like I write.

[zorgon]

In fact it is about 11 years since 9/11, And Has Any Friggin Body Been Arrested Yet besides the wrong ones..............NO.

And they never will be  just like we still don't know what happened to Kennedy

So that was my point  why worry if the spooks ARE here? What difference does it make? Everyone assumes they are anyway

[petrus4]

Forgive me, Zorgon; but I somehow doubt that this site is of sufficient importance to warrant official interest.  Granted, Uncle Sam grows ever more paranoid as time goes on, and he probably has good reason to be; but the large sites like ATS are still much more likely, I think, to be monitored.

To a skeptical mind, we would simply be a group of fringe basement dwellers, discussing things which either have no real validity whatsoever, or which mainstream thought has been sufficiently immunised to influence from, via mind control anyway.  The real life equivalent of the Lone Gunmen from The X Files, perhaps.

This has always been one of my main grievances with the rise of atheism.  It has had the result of almost completely destroying imagination, or the desire to ask truly important questions, in the mind of a public who have been carefully trained, to require academic authorisation for every element of their view of reality; and who consider individual thought to be a far more egregious blasphemy than did any medieval Christian, under the rule of Catholicism. 

So the truth of all manner of governmental outrages could well be made perfectly visible, in plain sight, and it is entirely irrelevant, because precious few are willing to accept the truth.  We are that precious few, or some of them; and of what real importance are we?  Every last one of us could disappear completely, without a whisper of dissent from the sheep.  I know of people on another forum, who although they would not admit it, would probably be grateful to see me killed, as it would mean the removal of someone who has tried to subject them to realities which they consider unpleasant.

The most bitter irony, concerning the so-called Enlightenment, was its' end result of giving us a greater level of intellectual tyranny than has ever been seen in human history before.  As the Pleiadians said through Barbara Marciniak, a man who is in a visible cage is not a prisoner to the maximum degree; he can still see the bars.

A true prisoner, on the other hand, is an individual who believes himself to be free, while at the same time accepting a single view of reality, while rejecting all possible others, because he has been indoctrinated into believing that no other form of reality can literally exist.  Such an individual is better off dead, in practical terms; although contemporary Western society is full of such individuals, and they themselves of course do not think so.

[Pimander]

Now a small country... say like Canada.... that might be an option

Canada is the second largest country in the world.  Bloody Americans.


Tell you what, I'll let you wear the visible crown.  You'll need a brain in the operation though, preferably one who knows politics.

[zorgon]

Canada is the second largest country in the world.  Bloody Americans.

Hey now cut that out... my passport says I iz Canadian    well one of them does

Tell you what, I'll let you wear the visible crown.  You'll need a brain in the operation though, preferably one who knows politics.

Well naturally  even the President has an executive secretary, the one who really gets the work done

[zorgon]

Forgive me, Zorgon; but I somehow doubt that this site is of sufficient importance to warrant official interest.

This forum... your right... not yet anyway... but you would be amazed at the list of IPs on the website

Granted, Uncle Sam grows ever more paranoid as time goes on, and he probably has good reason to be; but the large sites like ATS are still much more likely, I think, to be monitored.

Everytime I link to a dot mil site directly they are monitoring that activity hey like to know who is readying those files   That is usually why I post a red warning with the link

As to ATS why do you think they are replacing conspiracy nuts with debunker trolls?  LOL

To a skeptical mind, we would simply be a group of fringe basement dwellers, discussing things which either have no real validity whatsoever, or which mainstream thought has been sufficiently immunised to influence from, via mind control anyway.  The real life equivalent of the Lone Gunmen from The X Files, perhaps.

Well when that DIA/AF Intel chap stopped by to 'chat' with John and I for three days... he said on the way out "You only have the tip of the cats tail"  I replied "Yeah but we are tugging hard enough that the cat has noticed us"  We all laughed. About a week later my computer search access changed I won't go into detail but lets just say I can go a little deeper into that rabbit hole

This has always been one of my main grievances with the rise of atheism.  It has had the result of almost completely destroying imagination, or the desire to ask truly important questions, in the mind of a public who have been carefully trained, to require academic authorisation for every element of their view of reality; and who consider individual thought to be a far more egregious blasphemy than did any medieval Christian, under the rule of Catholicism. 

You assume that all spooks want to stop information from getting out... some have other agendas.

So the truth of all manner of governmental outrages could well be made perfectly visible, in plain sight, and it is entirely irrelevant, because precious few are willing to accept the truth.  We are that precious few, or some of them; and of what real importance are we?  Every last one of us could disappear completely, without a whisper of dissent from the sheep.  I know of people on another forum, who although they would not admit it, would probably be grateful to see me killed, as it would mean the removal of someone who has tried to subject them to realities which they consider unpleasant.

What if the whole Alien/UFO thing is simply an agenda set up by the government? Then the 'truth' you are accepting is one they want you to accept Oddly enough I can get documents from the CIA that prove that

The most bitter irony, concerning the so-called Enlightenment, was its' end result of giving us a greater level of intellectual tyranny than has ever been seen in human history before.  As the Pleiadians said through Barbara Marciniak, a man who is in a visible cage is not a prisoner to the maximum degree; he can still see the bars.

Tibetan Hermits lock themselves into tiny caves in the mountains with very little food and no heat. This allows them to achieve Enlightenment and amazing powers. Bars on a cell do not imprison the mind. but very few souls on Earth are willing to do what it takes to reach true Enlightenment

I would not count on the Pleiadians to 'save' us and offer mankind a free ticket to the next level. That would defeat the purpose. Its like cheating on an exam... you get the grade but still have not learned anything

A true prisoner, on the other hand, is an individual who believes himself to be free, while at the same time accepting a single view of reality, while rejecting all possible others, because he has been indoctrinated into believing that no other form of reality can literally exist.  Such an individual is better off dead, in practical terms; although contemporary Western society is full of such individuals, and they themselves of course do not think so.

At some point you have to chose the single reality that is right for you. There are many paths to Enlightenment and each one of us is on their own path. Sometimes we walk the same path for awhile, but in the end you must pick one. As long as you are still looking at options as it were you are no better off than the Tower of Babble... because the mind lacks true focus

[TheJanitor]

Ah yes but we speak of different things Mine was a $200 Million project that I still have the option on

Now imagine a 'theme park' that had Otis Carr type 'amusement rides'

I am talking about enough revenue so some people here can quit their day jobs and make this their full timer. The big bucks ain't comin', you know it, I know it, everyone else does. Why do you think only stupid people are rich? (generalization but true for the most part...)

Work first, play later.

There is enough potential here to make it happen. Even if I have problems with rows getting hoed I can call in my whips.

And no grey or black stuff! All that can sit on the back burner.

[Pimander]

What if the whole Alien/UFO thing is simply an agenda set up by the government? Then the 'truth' you are accepting is one they want you to accept Oddly enough I can get documents from the CIA that prove that

Not so fast.

Yes, a lot of what many believe is the "truth" about UFOs and aliens that has been set up for the sheeple.  However, strangely, real UFO data has been suppressed (blue book was a PR exercise) because the Air Force and others wanted to be free to look into the good stuff they didn't fully understand without sharing data with enemies (read anybody else at all) or having to constantly deal with requests from the media and others for information.

UFOs have been a PR hot potato.  NASA don't want the hassle of public UFO studies either.  Same goes for the Navy.  The CIA and DIA are happy for you to believe the made up nonsense.

To further complicate matters, no section of government wants to admit that while publicly denying any interest, they have been studying the real data in secret.

So yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation.  I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready.  However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of.  This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.

[burntheships]

is zorgon actually an alien working for the grays?

If he was do you think he would admit this?

Sorry, could not resist. 

[robomont]

sometimes, one little bump on a tree and the nuts fall out.
best done going into fall.

[burntheships]

sometimes, one little bump on a tree and the nuts fall out.

We have nuts of all kinds.
However, I dont think there are any pods.

[robomont]

by creating this thread ,alot of food came forth.mainly on zorgons point of view over a broad spectrum of issues.

a few things may have leaned me in another direction.
im greatful for input ,even if it hurts.
its all a learning experience.