I just fell further down the rabbit hole

[undo11]

  All due to how JJ  came out with the first reboot and the story line that emerged from that.

oh yeahhh, alternate timeline. so this time, perhaps, james tiberius kirk, will not die alone.

[robomont]

@amy.
the secrets of the universe of course.
we at pegasus get closer everyday.
i believe the info will come at exponentially faster waves as we progress.like putting a large jigsaw puzzle together.

[rdunk]

"i think it's time to quit relying on other men to tell you what it all means, and ask jesus to reveal it to you, then be prepared to accept the answers".

Thanks undo, but I will stay with the Word that God has given us, and depend upon God to deal with his word, and my Christian thought/understanding of it. And actually that is pretty much the way it is, for it is by the Holy Spirit that we truly understanding the revelation of the Word. Of course, that is one of the reasons non-believers have such a hard time understanding it - that being not having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to do that. Yep, to "confound the wise"!

undo, on another note - the refilling of the Earth vs fill of a few replies back - the Young's Literal Translation Bible still has it as "fill".

[undo11]

rdunk

i don't suggest that you don't read the bible . i'm saying you should pray that jesus show you what is and isn't legit in the text.   otherwise, you're relying on data that may or may not have been tampered with since the time of jesus and you aren't a biblian, you're a christian.   the holy spirit is from jesus not from the bible.  the bible is a book and can be manipulated, and has been manipulated.

for example, in the old testament, there's a text that says, god was going to destroy the images of the egyptians at the time.   the word for images there was mastabah. the difference between a mastabah and an image is huge.  the decision of the translators to call it images instead, suggests they were hiding something important.   and this is not acceptable.

then there's the decision to call the adam, "man" when it says male and female.  if the adam was female too, then the female was created in the image of elohim too.  and if that's true, then eve is not the first female, and if that's true, then somebody deliberately mislead the reader by making it sound like females were only ever the image of adam the human being, not adam the elohim or just in the image of  the elohim.

later it suggests adam was more guilty than eve because he did the deed knowing full well what he was doing, whereas eve was tricked. if that's the case, eve was tricked cause somebody wasn't keeping her apprised, yet adam was apprised.  so if that's true, how the sam hill does eve end up being guilty if 1) she was tricked, and 2) she wasn't told what to watch out for?  i mean you can't have it both ways: either she was tricked or she wasn't. and if she was, then why's she get the worse punishment? 
easy, the fall narrative is that they became procreative, when they weren't before that .  it's a natural part of giving birth mammalian style, for there to be pain.  and procreation caused the elohim to decide to nerf life span cause enlil didn't want humans "living forever"  procreating all over the place on HIS planet (it was his planet, at the time).

come on, this can't be that hard to understand.

[robomont]

ive always thought some parts of that but that was the most thorough argument of that issue ive heard.personally i think the other tree maybe found in the "tree of life"gejome project.the closses thing to cannabis is strawberries.think what we would have if we merged the two.yummie : )

[rdunk]

undo, there is no reason to go to all of the places you do, in trying to "figure out" the word of God. I certainly don't intend to do that. The revelation of the Word doesn't come by trying to find loose ends in it. In doing such you risk much, in possibly never coming to a real understanding of God's Word.

Relative to Eve, SHE KNEW! Gen. 3:1-3. And of course Adam knew also, and did likewise. Of course, as I understand it, it is the lineage of the man thru which the bloodlines were/are noted, not the female. It is the bloodline of Adam thru which the original sin is carried/continued. God made no mention of being concerned about Eve possibly eating from the tree of life. Rather it was only Adam that God mentioned, wanting to keep him from eating of the Tree of Life, and then living forever - in the vernacular of God's word, the woman was made as Adam's "helper", yet "they would be one flesh"!

[The Matrix Traveller]

God made no mention of being concerned about Eve possibly eating from the tree of life

If this were true, then EVE would NOT have Died ....  LOL.

Unless of course, EVE desired to Die.... LOL.

[undo11]

ive always thought some parts of that but that was the most thorough argument of that issue ive heard.personally i think the other tree maybe found in the "tree of life"gejome project.the closses thing to cannabis is strawberries.think what we would have if we merged the two.yummie : )

ever read the epic of gilgamesh?   enlil gets ticked at him for cutting down a bunch of cedar trees to build uruk, because, enlil said, they would never grow back.  he had outlawed it, but gilgamesh did it anyway.   

[The Matrix Traveller]

Matrix, as always, you are welcome to your opinion about the Bible. But, I cannot find the scripture exactly as you have quoted it. Do you have the specific book and scripture of the Bible to reference, or is this statement coming from elsewhere, like Thomas maybe, or from gnostic stuff??

No need to Insult the "Carpenter" or the LIFE of GOD rdunk.

Christians don't behave like yourself.  They have more sense...

When your time comes, you certainly will find out whether you are right or wrong, about your pretences.

As I said you have NOT convinced me you are a Christian... 

You treat LIFE as being a Fool.

But LIFE sees right through your pretences....   

[undo11]

Relative to Eve, SHE KNEW! Gen. 3:1-3.

check this out

1Ti 2:14         And Adam was not deceived , but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

she was deceived and therefore the trangressor.
adam was not deceived and therefore, not the trangressor.

say what?

mind you, this is part of paul's rationale for not letting women teach.

[undo11]

if i wrote a book and said men were the trangressors and women were not,  and i noticed men getting upset by this, i would just say that's why they shouldn't be allowed to talk -- cause they were the trangressors -- see they are even getting upset about it.  you aren't allowed to say, "hey wait a minute!"  because you can't be trusted not to trangress because some scenario you weren't even present for, that happened thousands of years ago.   it's diabolically brilliant. danged if you do, danged if you don't.

the only thing capable of having such wide spread and all encompassing application is our human flesh.   why does gender play a role in this at all ?

there is therefore no male or female, slave or free man, for all are one in christ jesus.

so why is there male or female in timothy?  who the heck knows, not i. 

it's enough to make you want to pull your hair out and pretend you're a man

[undo11]

[The Matrix Traveller]

It is said that Mary Magdalene new the Carpenter better than His disciples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene

Quote;

This article is about a biblical figure. For other uses, see Mary Magdalene (disambiguation).


Mary Magdalena

Régnier Penitent Mary Magdalene.jpg
Penitent Mary Magdalene by Nicolas Régnier, Palace on the Water, Warsaw

Disciple


Born
Date unknown
Place unknown

Died
Date unknown
Place: possibly Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume, Ephesus, Asia Minor [1]

Honored in
Eastern Orthodoxy
Roman Catholic Church
Anglican Communion
Lutheranism
other Protestant churches
Bahá'í Faith

Feast
July 22

Attributes

Western: alabaster box of ointment

Eastern: container of ointment (as a myrrhbearer), or holding a red egg (symbol of the resurrection); embracing the feet of Christ after the Resurrection

Patronage
Apothecaries; Kawit, Cavite; Atrani, Italy; Casamicciola Terme, Ischia; contemplative life; converts; glove makers; hairdressers; penitent sinners; people ridiculed for their piety; perfumeries; pharmacists; reformed prostitutes; sexual temptation; tanners; women

Mary Magdalene (original Greek ?? ? ),[2] or Mary of Magdala and sometimes The Magdalene, is a religious figure in Christianity. She has been called the second-most important woman in the New Testament after Mary the mother of Jesus.[3] Mary Magdalene traveled with Jesus as one of his followers. She was present at Jesus' two most important moments: the crucifixion and the resurrection.[4] Within the four Gospels, the oldest historical record mentioning her name, she is named at least 12 times,[5] more than most of the apostles. The Gospel references describe her as a courageous, brave enough to stand by Jesus in his hours of suffering, death and beyond.[3]

In the New Testament, Jesus cleansed her of "seven demons",[Lk. 8:2] [Mk. 16:9] sometimes interpreted as referring to complex illnesses.[6] Mary was most prominent during Jesus' last days. When Jesus was crucified by the Jews and Romans, St. Mary Magdalene was there supporting him in his final terrifying moments and mourning his death.[4] She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person to be listed in all four Gospels[7] as first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith.[8] John 20 and Mark 16:9 specifically name her as the first person to see Jesus after his Resurrection. She was there at the "beginning of a movement that was going to transform the West".[4] She was the "Apostle to the Apostles", an honorific that fourth-century orthodox theologian Augustine gave her[9] and that others earlier had possibly conferred on her.

Despite her centuries-old disreputable depiction in religion, art, literature, and in recent prominent fictional books and movies, such as The Da Vinci Code, it is largely agreed today that "not a shred of solid biblical or extrabiblical evidence suggests she played the role of harlot, wife, mother, or secret lover".[4][5][9]

St. Mary Magdalene is considered by the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran [ELCA only] churches to be a saint, with a feast day of July 22. Other Protestant churches honor her as a heroine in the faith. The Eastern Orthodox churches also commemorate her on the Sunday of the Myrrhbearers, the Orthodox equivalent of the Western Three Marys.

Have you read, "The Gospel of Mary" (rejected by the "Roman church") undo ?


http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html

[The Matrix Traveller]

The discrimination of the sex's is barbaric and Stupidity...   

EVE was supposed to be made from One of A'DAM's Ribs (As A'DAM was supposed to have said,
flesh of my flesh.)

It was "Roman Doctrine" that Propagated this Evil discrimination.

[undo11]

in the video i linked above, yentl is a young jewish girl, who was raised by her father, as her mother had passed away.  she was seroiusly interested in learning talmud, and her dad kept telling her no, till finally he relented and taught it to her, with the curtains drawn so no one would see him doing so, since it was against their teachings. 

when her dad passes, she wants to keep studying but can't because she's a woman.  so she cuts off her hair and pretends she's a man and joins a talmud school.   there's a reason god gave women brains . you would think one of those reasons would be so that we could learn about him and take that knowledge to others, but according to paul, that aint' such a good idea cause of eve, 6000 years ago. 

and why? it's a vicious circle. observe:

eve was deceived (that means tricked)
by the most intelligent and priorily perfect creation in the universe.   and here she was, dumb as a box of rocks, had no knowledge, didn't even know her partner was naked (wonder why that was), and god, the most compassionate being in the universe, who created and understood his creation, claimed eve was in the trangression and punished her the most sternly because apparently, being dumb as a box of rocks, thru no fault of your own,  is still your fault.

to say i'm puzzled by such logic is an understatement.