Some martian thoughts

[petrus4]

it isn't an atheist rant. it's a "What the flip?" rant, regarding the slow takeover of europe by the religion of peace.

In the interests of open mindedness, I am watching it.  I'm only a few seconds in, but he's still talking fairly calmly at the moment.  Pat takes a few moments to build up a good head of steam, from memory; I'm sure the ranting and the screaming will probably begin ar around the three minute mark.

anyway, regardless of all this. i cant help but thinking that christians in america have been many times more agreeable and willing to fit in and follow the laws, pagan, atheist and multicultural society, so the idea we are some pimple on the perfect nose of the west is really quite baffling.  particularly when the alternative looks like islam.

Christianity has accepted domestication because it knows it is dying.  Islam, on the other hand, is currently on the other side of the bell curve, that's all.  Monotheistic religions seem to have a particular life cycle; Islam is about to go through the imperialistic world conquest and mass murder phase.  Assuming we're still alive at the end of it, however, it will eventually pass. 

More seriously, however, I will admit that of all the different models of apocalypse currently bearing down on us, Islam engaging in a collective impersonation of the Daleks is probably the one I have the least amount of fear of.  I just can't see it being permitted by the rest of the population, to the extent that some people seem to be afraid of it. 

Cultural Marxism notwithstanding, people do have limits.  If Muslims become a problem beyond a certain level, they will find themselves the targets of continually increasing violence, irrespective of what governments or the political correctness police try and say about it.  Assuming hypothetically for a moment, that Anders Breivik was not a Manchurian Candidate, then I can assure you that there are plenty more where he came from.  I see paranoid ranting from white supremacists about Muslims and various other groups on 4chan all the time.

White society will wait for a certain period of time, (primarily in order to assure itself that Muslims have been issued an appropriate number of warnings first) and then, if Islamic imperialism persists sufficiently, there will eventually be a response.

one selling point they have is they bring the promise of democratic socialism with them, but sadly, once in sufficient numbers, they include with it, only democratic socialism for certain sectors of society and everyone else is outta luck.  this seems to be happening with increasing frequency, everywhere, but particularly in western countries. 

Pat confirms what I've read elsewhere about rape essentially being Islam's signature crime.  The religion is probably the single most misogynistic on the planet.  I never see Islamic women in any of their demonstrations, and I've read accounts of how, while being raped by Islamic men, Western women will be told that their religion allows them to do that.

i swear it's like we've been taken over by a hostile alien race.

Careful what you wish for.

[undo11]

Christianity has accepted domestication because it knows it is dying

nah, christianity accepts domestication because jesus christ included that in his teachings. it's not the fault of christians of the age of reason, that the christians of the dark ages had no idea that jesus said that in the text of the bible because 1) they weren't allowed to have a bible and 2) it was written only in latin and greek for a very long time.   a point conveniently overlooked

[undo11]

anyway, back on topic:

i find it increasingly disturbing that with all the crap going on, on the planet, we as a species, are being compelled to focus on anything and everything, EXCEPT how to get along and advance our knowledge. instead, we're being encouraged to engage in survival of the fittest on a massive scale, and the rules of engagement are extremely bizaare.

[rdunk]

Hi undo. I have watched the entire video, and i think it probably pretty much sets the mark of how things have happened over the years of our piece-meal space program.

I do like the thought of going to Mars! However, how can we rationalize going to Mars, even before we actually know the reality of the Moon?? If we (Earth) earnestly made an effort to a near-term commitment to "discover" the facts of the Moon, ON THE MOON, then I believe significant "learning" there would also apply to the "discovery" on the planet Mars. Most of the difference is only ..................distance!

Besides the knowledge to be gained from the Moon itself, the getting there of a discovery team, the "hub-type" surface housing for the team, a get-around ground vehicle, and staging the "get back home" vehicle would similarly apply (except for the fuel proposition).

Now, as far as Mars is concerned, there has been life there, according to relevant Mars photos. Skeptic comments not withstanding, there are very obvious photo evidence of that fact. I also believe there is evidence that some part of that Martian life may have been/is underground.

So, I am all for making a plan for Mars, and the Moon too, and getting on with the program!!

Why not consider the Moon as possibly being a perfect place for our next "space station"?? 

[undo11]

Why not consider the Moon as possibly being a perfect place for our next "space station"?? 

have you ever seen the color version of the clementine photos?   

[rdunk]

have you ever seen the color version of the clementine photos?

Yes, I have seen some of them! They certainly give the Moon a nice "facelift"! I certainly would like to hope that they are in a range of being close to right, color-wise.

My comment about the Moon for a space station - - it is reasonably close, it should certainly be easier to construct a hard-mounted station/facility, and there plenty of surface area for anything desired. And of course, it is generally accepted that the Moons gravity is about 1/6th of the Earth's, so, launch requirements should be drastically different, from the Moon.

Certainly, we would need to know just what is up there before we could make a decision for a space station there.  We would not want to impose on anyone already up/out there.  

[undo11]

well that's the point.  think about it. they already have a space station on the moon, why else would they be contemplating having one on mars and not even mentioning the moon?  it's a secret, apparently.  it's one of those "so obvious you miss it," things i mentioned in the op.

[undo11]

you should see some of the evidence z and john lear managed to accumulate.  such as the fact the shuttles were going up with cargo loads of fresh fruit and veggies many times the amount capable of being stored in the international space station or eaten by its crew. it was in the tons. tons of perishables.  will have to ask z to reproduce the list for you to read.

or the fact there are launch platforms out in the ocean where literally no one that doesn't have satellite capability and aware of the location, could witness them launching.  so some of these launches have no oversight and haven't had, for many years.

so either they have encountered an alien species that considers oranges a delicacy or there's a massive station out there, either on the moon or somewhere we aren't being made privy to which contains humans who want oranges on their menu.

but we aren't allowed to know this! 
what does that tell you about my op? 

[zorgon]

over in africa they have a bunch of people suffering in ethiopia (it's been going on for a very long time), and the guys with the real power and influence are perfectly capable of fixing it, but none who have that capacity, are willing to do so.  this is the first big question: WHY THE HELL NOT?  well, it appears ethiopians are primarily black christians. that's why the hell not.    WHO CARES WHAT THEIR RELIGION OR SKIN COLOR OR NATIONALITY IS?  There are people suffering.  Fix it!

Once upon a time... in a strange land that is MASTER at growing wheat... they made a decision to share their wheat growing secrets with the world...

The EMISSARIES went forth to India and taught the farmers what they where doing wrong tilling the land. They showed them that you MUST take care of the soil with crop rotation and proper fertilization if you want your grain to grow..

Well the farmers in India took notes  and learned well... so well in fact that THEY became exporters of wheat and became competition for their benefactors

This resulted in their benefactors ending up with TONS of SILOS filled to overflowing with wheat that they could no longer sell.


Now these EMISSARIES also went to Africa... Ethiopia and Biafra specifically. They showed those farmers the same techniques, gave them the same hybrid high yield seeds.

But this time the farmers didn't pay heed...THIS time the farmers told the EMISSARIES "NO, This is NOT how our forefathers taught us... we will not listen to you"

Don't take my word for it, do a little research before you go making this a religious dispute. At the time this teaching of wheat farming techniques almost destroyed the Canadian wheat industry and farmers had to be paid a government subsidy because they couldn'r sell their wheat because of Indian competition.

The Africans REFUSED the help... just like Japan refused our help during Fukushima, even though we had NAVY ships off shore ready to jump in. Those ships had to leave because the water radiation levels got too high for safety.  We cannot FORCE aid on people.  Th African farmers simply refused to be told that their old farming methods were wrong to feed the numbers they have today

Argh!  Modern civs have the technology to solve the ethiopians water problems and the capacity to teach them how to sustain themselves, but instead stand idly by and let them die horrible, brutal, miserable deaths!  this is a travesty!

Well perhaps if they didn't throw their trash into their water supply they wouldn't need us to fix it...  Doesn't seem to bother them much, because their kids still swim in it

So the reason we aren't doing so, is not because of greed, it's because of social engineering.  These people are hard core evil.

The reason we are not doing it is because these people prefer things the way they are and will not take lessons from us on how to improve their life. I have seen it in Canada when the government made beautiful apartment buildings for all those living on welfare.  In a mater of months, those buildings that were rent free were trashed, graffiti everywhere, garbage urine and feces even in the swimming pools.

When I took my scuba classes the pool we had the use of was in a lower class neighborhood... well they routinely had to drain and refill that pool because the piss and sh!t was visibly floating in it

Its all well and good to say :Oh we need to help them" but when that help is given, and it gets trashed... you soon say FVCK EM....

Those buildings in Toronto got so bad they had to be condemned. Rape, prostitution and drugs was rampant in there and they were gorgeous building with modern everything and a park, pools and recreation area

[undo11]

think of it like aliens coming to nevada and telling you to spit on the ground first, chant a few lines of gibberish and then plant your garden diagonal to magnetic north and to dig it up and turn the soil, and move to a place you've never worked before, with rocks and debris in it, and poor soil, and start all over again.  you'd think they were missing a few cans in their six pack.

first mistake they made was assuming that the native culture would automatically embrace everything they said.

second mistake, which they are making today, is not having people who speak the native language, and who are the same ethnicity, to address them on important issues like potable water.  we can't even talk about growing wheat. we're still looking at water problems. there's huge bodies of water all around africa that can be desalinated.  there's water that can be extracted from the air, AND, there's simple clay filters that can turn grungy yucky water, into drinking water and all they are is big ceramic barrels with sand, rocks, and charcoal in them, something abundant in africa.   there's really no reason why people living today, in our modern world, should have to die from lack of water.

[undo11]

this image is from india, isn't it?