Lunar atmosphere in Apollo 11 photograph

[mikeybandb]

It looks like colour aberration. Do you have more photos taken with that camera?

Here's 2 more...

             

[ArMaP]

Looking at those two photos I think it's really colour aberration, we can see a slightly magenta fringe on the opposite side of the blue fringe.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Looking at those two photos I think it's really colour aberration, we can see a slightly magenta fringe on the opposite side of the blue fringe.

In this photo I would have to agree with you, in that colour aberration is present, but that does NOT mean there isn't an atmosphere on the Moon. 

John Lear makes some interesting points regarding this.

Such a presence of an atmosphere does NOT have to engulf the entire moon.

Mist (water vapour) doesn't engulf our Planet, yet settles in valleys and over rives, seas etc. under the right conditions.

An atmosphere may exist in deep valleys or low altitude planes craters etc. contrary to most thinking, that an atmosphere has to engulf the entire moon   

[ArMaP]

In this photo I would have to agree with you, in that colour aberration is present, but that does NOT mean there isn't an atmosphere on the Moon. 

Obviously, only if it was a photo where an atmosphere was clearly visible would that photo be relevant to the presence or not of an atmosphere.

Mist (water vapour) doesn't engulf our Planet, yet settles in valleys and over rives, seas etc. under the right conditions.

Mist is an atmospheric phenomenon, so the fact that it has a localized appearance is irrelevant to the existence of a partial atmosphere.

An atmosphere may exist in deep valleys or low altitude planes craters etc. contrary to most thinking, that an atmosphere has to engulf the entire moon   

The Moon does have an atmosphere, but extremely rarefied when compared with the Earth's atmosphere, so I guess that deep craters and valleys have a somewhat denser atmosphere.

[Pimander]

Unless things are not as the theory says.
But, as I said on my previous post, they should have seen the stars at least when on the "night side".

Or Aldrin and Armstrong were told what they were allowed to say because they either never went to the Moon or were not free to report everything as they saw it for some unknown reason (classified).

I simply do not believe that you need to think about or debate whether you saw stars.  I remember one of the astronauts trying to correct Armstrong (I think it was) about whether he could see stars - like you would forget! 

I wish I knew the answers but it does not add up.

[mikeybandb]

Or Aldrin and Armstrong were told what they were allowed to say because they either never went to the Moon or were not free to report everything as they saw it for some unknown reason (classified).

I simply do not believe that you need to think about or debate whether you saw stars.  I remember one of the astronauts trying to correct Armstrong (I think it was) about whether he could see stars - like you would forget! 

I wish I knew the answers but it does not add up.

I'm not sure whether they went to the moon or not.
All I know is if I had just returned from the most historic "Road Trip" in the history of mankind,
not you or anyone else could wipe the grin from my face. What I see on the face's of
these three, is guilt,fear,disgust,shame,and the need to get the hell out of that conference.

Press Conference:     

[ArMaP]

Or Aldrin and Armstrong were told what they were allowed to say because they either never went to the Moon or were not free to report everything as they saw it for some unknown reason (classified).

From those two I think the last one (they were not allowed to say what they wanted and nobody told them what to say if someone asked that question) is the most likely, as if they didn't go to the Moon they could say what they wanted as long as it was compatible with what the previous astronauts have said.

I simply do not believe that you need to think about or debate whether you saw stars.  I remember one of the astronauts trying to correct Armstrong (I think it was) about whether he could see stars - like you would forget! 

Yes, I remember that one.

[ArMaP]

All I know is if I had just returned from the most historic "Road Trip" in the history of mankind,
not you or anyone else could wipe the grin from my face.

I have seen many people saying that and posting this video, but they hadn't "just returned", you can see on photos when they really had just returned that they were all smiling.

PS: I don't think this is was "the most historic 'Road Trip'", other voyages had a much bigger impact.

[Shank]

 

Here's 2 more...

             

Keith Laney is the kind of guy to ask about stuff like that.  He knows photos and photography, nobody doubts that.  He'd solve that riddle in about 2 seconds. 

[Shank]

Hi Shank,
Great thread, and may have some kind of explanations of the hows this could be, but not absolutely positive it is the answer. Seems as if your knowledge of these events is a bit more than I , but here, This is a video that was created buy our esteemed Sgt.RockNRoll, he has quite the software set for 3D rendering and analogy.

Man is that a mountain of stuff in there.  That one streamer coming off the surface intrigues me.  Firsoff said he saw one of those through his scope.  He thought it was an auroral streamer, northern lights essentially.  Can't have those without an atmosphere.

I'm not really a big surface artifact guy myself.  Not that I don't believe those things can't or don't exist and that nobody should bother looking for them.  The problem is, when you find them.  You still never seem to be able to say for sure what it is, or if it's anything at all. 

Case in point:



The head of what once was a statue at Tranquility Base?  Or is it just a stone?  It's probably a little bigger than life size.  It can also be seen in the frame before this one.  I found that maybe 7 years ago.  Though I would find it hard to believe nobody ever noticed it before I did.  Anyway, it bears a striking resemblence to a bust of Ahriman(Lucifer) that was sculpted by Rudolph Steiner who was a pretty famous philosopher and mystic who straddled the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th.  Steiner's Ahriman is in the other box.

But what can I really really tell you about it?  I can't say it's just a stone, I can't say it's a statue, I can't say it's Lucifer.  All I can do is show it to you and let you wonder about it for yourself.  In the end, neither of us knows any more than when we started.   

[Shank]

The Moon does have an atmosphere, but extremely rarefied when compared with the Earth's atmosphere, so I guess that deep craters and valleys have a somewhat denser atmosphere.

I'm not so sure it really is all that rarified.  Here's a couple lines from the Apollo 11 Command Module voice recorder transcript.  None of this went over the radio.  It was off the cockpit voice recorder. They had just done a urine dump and were watching the drops fly away out the window.

03 08 24 42 CMP It'd be kind of interesting to see some of this
dump go on straight from polar orbit. Wonder how
long it's going to take before it impacts?

03 08 24 53 CDR It obviously - is not really in polar orbit if it's
going off - going off that way. Yes, it's inclined
to the small angle.

03 08 25 03 CMP Sure looks like it.

03 08 25 04 CDR It's going straight out there through. That's
real funny.

03 08 25 13 LMP Son of a gun, that one's got a littl e - little
curve on it.

03 08 25 23 CMP Would you believe that, Neil? One went out and
curved around like that. Can you explain that?

03 08 25 32 CDR I guess it Just glanced off another particle or
something.

03 08 25 35 CMP Oh, no, no, no, no; if it's curved.

03 08 25 40 CDR tt had a little bubble in it that came to the
surface and went kapoom and - -

03 08 25 23 I/VIP No - -

03 08 25 44 CMP There's atmospheric drag up here.

CDR is Armstrong
LMP is Aldrin
CMP is Collins


That's off page 98 of the transcript.  I picked up my copy at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, or at least I thought so.  I just took a quick peek and never saw it.  That's not to say it's no longer there though.  Nothing is all that easy to find over there.  I've got an article on that site somewhere and I have no Idea where it is.  Eric Jones sent me a link to it when he put it up, but I lost it and I don't know where it is now. 

Collins seems to think there is an atmosphere, one thick enough to cause a drop of liquid to change velocity at about 60 miles up.  Or was he just playing Devil's advocate?  Collins is known to be a little bit of a joker.  But nobody laughed or told him to F-off.  So who knows.  I'd love to ask him about it one day.     

[ArMaP]

I picked up my copy at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, or at least I thought so.

I got mine from here.

Collins seems to think there is an atmosphere, one thick enough to cause a drop of liquid to change velocity at about 60 miles up.  Or was he just playing Devil's advocate?  Collins is known to be a little bit of a joker.  But nobody laughed or told him to F-off.  So who knows.  I'd love to ask him about it one day.

Would an atmosphere affect only one drop and not the others?

[Pimander]

From those two I think the last one (they were not allowed to say what they wanted and nobody told them what to say if someone asked that question) is the most likely,

In other words, very good pilots don't always make good public relations people.

[Shank]

I got mine from here.

Would an atmosphere affect only one drop and not the others?

I don't know.  I suppose size, shape, mass and surface area exposed to atmospheric drag might have something to do with it.  A bullet goes pretty straight in the wind, a baloon doesn't.  I would suspect Collins wasn't actualy looking out the window at it to see what was happening.  He just offered a possibility to explain the behaviour.  The action of a piss drop is not really the important thing.  The important thing is that one of the three of them appeared to believe it might be tied to the possible existence of an atmosphere which at that time was believed to be non-existent, officialy anyway.

Why such a thought would enter his mind is odd.  Maybe he was just yanking the chains of the other two.  Only Collins would know the answer to that.     

[Pimander]

Shank,

Could you post some pictures not of the Moon from that camera is more what I think ArMaP wanted to see.  The additional pictures you have posted above will not show whether the effect is "colour bleed" as they are also the moon.... A picture of a bright star or Venus would help  so we can see whether there is bleed on the other pictures.