The Day Before Roswell

[A51Watcher]

July 9 1947 - Glacier Park, Montana 3:53 P.M. MST

Flathead Monitor (Montana) 7/10/47


-Kalispell Pilots Sight 'Flying Saucers-

Two men flying over Glacier Park spotted seven flying saucers heading in a northwesterly direction. The two men, Ed Johnson and Joe Dimio, noted that the craft were only visible for a short period—indicating they traveled at a fairly fast rate.


July 12 1947 - Utah Lake, Utah 2:30 p.m. PST

Pilot Earl Page, was flying from Las Vegas, Nevada, to Salt Lake City with his wife Beulah and their son Ron. When they were over Lake Utah, flying north, they saw "six or eight objects coming towards us and slightly to our right. They were at the same altitude as we.

I did not notice them until we were practically to them. As they passed I banked the plane sharply and flew after them for a few minutes, during which time they left us as if we were standing still... They were silver-white, oval top and bottom, much like two saucers face to face.

They were closely spaced. They fluttered as a group for a second or two and then stabilized for a second or two, alternately between these two modes."

APRO Bulletin, May, 1962, p. 5


July 13 1947 - Wingville, Oregon 7:00 P.M. PST

Baker Record-Courier (Oregon) 7/17/47

A round object flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion" was seen by many witnesses and several aircraft pilots who tried in vain to pursue it.


July 28 1947 - Boise, Idaho

Las Cruces Sun-News 7/29/47

-Airlines Pilot, Reporting New Flying Disc, Wants Them Kept Off Airways-


BOISE, Idaho, (AP) -- It's flying disc time again in Idaho and the United Air Lines pilot who spotted the latest one says "they ought to be kept off the civil airways."

Capt. Charles P. Gibian, who while coming in to Boise for a landing last night reported spotting a disc-like object "going like hell" at about 9,000 feet, told the Boise Statesman:

"If it is real it must be some sort of military experiment and if that is the case they ought to arrange to keep the objects off the civil airways."

Army and Navy spokesmen have denied knowledge of the discs.

Gibian, who talked to the Idaho Statesman by telephone from Pendleton, Ore., became the second United pilot on flight 105 to report seeing the flying object.

His predecessor was Capt. E. J. Smith who said he spotted two groups of discs July 4, near Emmett, Idaho.

Smith's story came during the climax of the flying discs reports, which started in late June in the state of Washington.

During early July there were few states in the nation without at least one report of a disc and persons in numerous other countries, including Japan, also said they sighted the objects.

Gibian's disc -- or whatever -- was the first reported since word of the objects tapered off about two weeks ago.

The pilot said his first officer, Jack Harvey, also saw the object last night.

They say they saw a round, flat object in the sky west of Mountain Home, a village 45 miles east of here.

Gibian said if the object was 40 miles or so distant from the airliner, it was as big as an airplane.

[A51Watcher]

July 29 1947 - USAF file - Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT


Assistant Base Operations Officer, Capt. William Rhyerd, and LieutenantWard Steward, an ex-B-29 pilot, watched as two round, shiny white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters, flew three to foure times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight, coming in on a preliminary landing approach.

The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."

One object flew straight and level, a second object then appeared, flying a left to right "protective" maneuver from side-to-side like an escort fighter over the first craft until they each passed southward toward Oakland, and then out over the ocean.

The duration of their sighting lasted about fifteen seconds as the craft sped by in a clear sky. No noise could be detected.

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."


August 4 1947 - USAF file - Bethel, Alaska - dusk

DC-3 Captain Jack Peck and copilot Vince Daly sighted a black saucer-shaped object cross their flight path. It had come in at a right angle to their aircraft and Peck instinctively made a precautionary climb from 1,000 to 1,200 feet to avoid any chance of collision.

He then swung in behind the disc and chased the peculiar looking craft as it became silhouetted against a brilliant evening sky.

Peck pursued at 170 miles per hour until losing sight of it four minutes later. They noted that the disc had a smooth streamlined surface with no visible means of propulsion. The speed of the object was subsequently computed at 510 miles per hour.


August 18 1947 - Mountain Home, Idaho - 12:00 p.m.

Boise Statesman (Idaho) 8/20/47

Two silver round flat disc-shaped objects, looking like "skeet targets", passed beneath United Airlines Flight 147 flying at 8,000 feet near Mountain Home Army Air Base, Idaho.

The objects flew off to the south, at a speed estimated at 900 miles per hour by pilot and copilot.


12 September 1947 - USAF Files - Midway Island - 1:00 A.M. local time

A Pan American flight eastbound from Midway Island to Cahu.

Just after passing Necher Island, the crew spotted an intense incandescent white light off the starboard side of their aircraft. At first the pilot thought it might be the navigation lights of another plane, but it was far too bright for that.

The flight crew tracked the unknown object and determined it held a true course of 350 degrees while holding at a steady altitude of 9,500 feet. The captain estimated its distance from their aircraft at five miles.

But just as he took the plane off automatic pilot, the light approached within one mile, then it quickly veered off to a course of 190 degrees at which time the light split into two parts.

The two separate orbs then changed to a less bright reddish hue and flew in a side-to-side formation until zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.   

[A51Watcher]

July 23 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey

John H. Janssen stated "While my eyes played over the horizon, I became aware of a shaft of light that seemed like that of a photographer's flash bulb. It came from aloft, very high up. It was above that position over my plane's nose that flier's call 11 O'clock.

At first I thought it was merely the reflected sun bouncing off the sides of an exceedingly high flying aircraft. I gave it no more thought.

But then the engine of my own plane began to perform peculiarly. It coughed and sputtered spasmodically.

So I pulled on the carburetor heat and gave it full throttle hoping to thaw any ice that might be accumulating in the carburetor. The engine emitted one final wheezing cough and then quit.

Now, the nose of my plane, instead of dropping to a normal glide, remained... rigid... fixed on the horizon, in its normal level flight attitude.

Abruptly, I became aware that my plane was now defying the basic law of gravity.

I became frightened and close to panic at so weird a predicament. I saw that the airspeed indicator was at zero!

There was now an odd prickling, electric-like sensation coursing through my body.

I had an eerie feeling that I was being watched and examined by something that minutely studied my features, my clothing, and my airplane... I flicked a cold bead of perspiration from my eye. Then I saw it!

Above and slightly beyond my left wing tip was a strange wraith-like craft, one of the flying objects!

Its flanged and protecting rim was dotted on either side with steamer-like portholes.

It seemed to radiate a dull metallic hue that conveyed an impression of natural strength, and a super-intelligence not of this planet. It was motionless.

Perhaps a quarter of a mile away... beyond, and slightly higher, I could see another (similar) object, seemingly fixed in the sky.

I assumed that the second strange ship was but waiting for the one nearest me to complete its examination.

Then I had the most unaccountable urge to reach up and snap on the magneto switch. I had turned it off when the engine quit. I switched both magnetos to the on position.

Slowly the propeller began to turn... then the engine burst into a steady rhythmic roar. The plane nosed up into a stall, dropped off, picked up airspeed and steadied under control," recalled Mr. Janssen.

"I really believe these craft to be operated by an intelligence far beyond that developed by we earth-bound mortals and (I) am inclined to agree with the theory that they are space craft from another planet... In all probability these are reconnaissance craft and as they have been seen all over the world and not only in this country, are probably making a thorough study of us and our terrain and atmosphere before making any overtures."

He went on to theorize on possible magnetic and anti­gravity methods of propulsion to explain the acceleration of the objects.


http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/morristown.htm

[A51Watcher]

[space otter]

W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   

[astr0144]

I 2nd that SkySpace Otter !

A51 has been very busy !...

An amazing amount of material he has posted.

Upon reading the 1st post that you made on this thread ,back  from Nov 13th 2011...when you were told by Stanton Friedman about the sightings 2 weeks before the Roswell incident around July 8th 1947..You said that you went to the library to check out past old newspaper articles..

Are you still doing that now or do you have other ways that you obtain the material ?

If you are obtaining it from the library.. Are you then copying / writing some of it  out to post online ?

otherwise ..I am wondering HOW that you are managing to obtain the info and copy it to PRC ?

W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   

Now let's take a look at a collection of Flying Disc reports made by pilots that year -

A while back Stanton Friedman told me that Roswell was not the beginning, but actually the end of a period when Flying Discs (as they were called back then) were buzzing the entire United States continuously for an entire 2 weeks BEFORE Roswell.

He suggested I should go have a look through the newspaper microfiche archives in my area because the majority of these sightings were right in my area.

I did so and... he turned out to be 100% correct.

Every day front page headlines. I am attaching scans and text of those 2 weeks.

[A51Watcher]

W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   

Well ya just never know what A51 might be up to!   

[A51Watcher]

I 2nd that SkySpace Otter !

A51 has been very busy !...

An amazing amount of material he has posted.

Upon reading the 1st post that you made on this thread ,back  from Nov 13th 2011...when you were told by Stanton Friedman about the sightings 2 weeks before the Roswell incident around July 8th 1947..You said that you went to the library to check out past old newspaper articles..

Actually I remember that first visit to the library as if it were yesterday.

It was quite a shock to see so many local 'Flying Disc' reports in our daily newspapers, along with the realization that... I was the first person to see these reports in 50 years!

Portland Police See Discs Sail! ... are you kidding me??   

7 officers in different locations, a harbor master, entire downtown radio station staff, countless citizens and even the guy who played organ at the Oaks Amusement Park roller skating rink! LOL 

I actually looked over my shoulder a few times to see if any MIB's were watching me.

This was ONE secret vault that they could not control my access too!!

They had remained buried and a secret for all this time, and here I was unearthing information that the government and military would prefer that you and I did not see.

The 3 different official explanations released by the military over the years in regards to what really happened at Roswell, becomes exponentially more doubtful and ridiculous in light of the hurricane of sighting reports surrounding Roswell, before and after.

And yes we have to type them up by hand from the copies we raid from the vaults.

This information would certainly have changed the conversation in my town between skeptics and believers regarding the reality of UFO's and of the Roswell case in particular.

In fact it has had that effect, in the years since my discovery, in conversations that do arise.




Are you still doing that now or do you have other ways that you obtain the material ?

If you are obtaining it from the library.. Are you then copying / writing some of it  out to post online ?

otherwise ..I am wondering HOW that you are managing to obtain the info and copy it to PRC ?

Yes to all of the above.

And as I mentioned previously and Sky alluded to, I am indeed preparing a book containing all the sightings in my database.

The trick has been in sorting the sightings into various categories of similar characteristics, many of which you see posted earlier in this thread.

This, to my eye appears to be the most effective and interesting way to view the hurricane.

The sheer volume of amazing sightings that year, with tons of corroboration for Kenneth Arnold's report as demonstrated by all the other Pilot sightings, and TS destination points indeed deserves a book of it's own to stand alongside the Roswell story. 

Anytime I have an occasion to visit a city where I have not had the pleasure of raiding their library for hidden treasure, I of course make it a point to do so.

The unique wonders to be found there are always a delight.

You see each newspaper runs both local and national stories.

The national ones are provided by AP and newspapers optionally run some AP stories (or shortened versions of them) if they find them of interest.

The local stories on the other hand are not shared nationally (unless AP picks them up).

So as researchers we have no access to them until someone physically goes to the library and discovers and makes a copy of them. That is why they are unique hidden gems.

Other ongoing sources for updating my database is newspapers that have gone digital, and also search phrases entered into search engines other than google.

But actually visiting a new library is like an Indiana Jones experience.   

[astr0144]

All very very interesting A51 in further ref to the Roswell story..

You may well be on a goldmine...

and it is amazing if such articles have hardly been made aware to the present generations..

It is no doubt quite a good experience and passion to visit many a library and  search for the information...but maybe annoying to have to write it all out ! 

Actually I remember that first visit to the library as if it were yesterday.

It was quite a shock to see so many local 'Flying Disc' reports in our daily newspapers, along with the realization that... I was the first person to see these reports in 50 years!

Portland Police See Discs Sail! ... are you kidding me??   

7 officers in different locations, a harbor master, entire downtown radio station staff, countless citizens and even the guy who played organ at the Oaks Amusement Park roller skating rink! LOL 

I actually looked over my shoulder a few times to see if any MIB's were watching me.

This was ONE secret vault that they could not control my access too!!

They had remained buried and a secret for all this time, and here I was unearthing information that the government and military would prefer that you and I did not see.

The 3 different official explanations released by the military over the years in regards to what really happened at Roswell, becomes exponentially more doubtful and ridiculous in light of the hurricane of sighting reports surrounding Roswell, before and after.

And yes we have to type them up by hand from the copies we raid from the vaults.

This information would certainly have changed the conversation in my town between skeptics and believers regarding the reality of UFO's and of the Roswell case in particular.

In fact it has had that effect, in the years since my discovery, in conversations that do arise.

What you say may well be some real eye opener to your readers..and Its very good that you have been able to get such info and ideas and put them into action.

Its good also to read about all the experiences of the sightings and be able to have your regular mental excitement / adventures in searching for and thru the articles..

I have a mental block on at the moment with the meaning of AP ? Does it mean Air force personnel ? I assume that it does not refer to the only other wording that I can see in your reply with ref to AP (Amusement Park) 

Yes to all of the above.

And as I mentioned previously and Sky alluded to, I am indeed preparing a book containing all the sightings in my database.

The trick has been in sorting the sightings into various categories of similar characteristics, many of which you see posted earlier in this thread.

This, to my eye appears to be the most effective and interesting way to view the hurricane.

The sheer volume of amazing sightings that year, with tons of corroboration for Kenneth Arnold's report as demonstrated by all the other Pilot sightings, and TS destination points indeed deserves a book of it's own to stand alongside the Roswell story. 

Anytime I have an occasion to visit a city where I have not had the pleasure of raiding their library for hidden treasure, I of course make it a point to do so.

The unique wonders to be found there are always a delight.

You see each newspaper runs both local and national stories.

The national ones are provided by AP and newspapers optionally run some AP stories (or shortened versions of them) if they find them of interest.

The local stories on the other hand are not shared nationally (unless AP picks them up).

So as researchers we have no access to them until someone physically goes to the library and discovers and makes a copy of them. That is why they are unique hidden gems.

Other ongoing sources for updating my database is newspapers that have gone digital, and also search phrases entered into search engines other than google.

But actually visiting a new library is like an Indiana Jones experience.   

[A51Watcher]

I have a mental block on at the moment with the meaning of AP ? Does it mean Air force personnel ? I assume that it does not refer to the only other wording that I can see in your reply with ref to AP (Amusement Park) 

AP stands for Associated Press.

You will see the AP logo in the beginning of many of the clippings I have posted.

[zorgon]

Anyone seen this before?

[ArMaP]

It looked familiar, so after a little search I found that it's part of the Alien authopsy film.

(the video should start at 16:52)


https://youtu.be/pukbzCC3cfQ?t=16m52s

[robomont]

Anyone seen this before?

i have,some numnut on tv said it was from a print of a xmas wrapping but it sure looks like laser etching and that photo came out before laser etching became a norm.

[robomont]

did somebody think to take color vid and make b&w stills?to give it a woo factor?

[Eighthman]

I think the Alien Hieroglyphics say  "Hecho en Mexico".

http://exopolitics.org/navy-admiral-oversaw-29-spies-in-nazi-germany-started-us-secret-space-program/

I haven't seen any post about this - that Wiiliam Tompkins guy provides some documentation of his work. Mentions a Rear Admiral named Rico Botta.