new sandyhook info

[Amaterasu]

That "oppressive regimes" argument again.
What leaves humans at the mercy of oppressive regimes is people's lack of reaction to some things, and that does not come from other people having guns, it comes from their own bad judgements or lack of interest for what happens to other people.

Yes, and if They must, They take up arms - unless They have been coaxed into giving up Their arms.

There's only one problem with that "right", the people with more money can get a better "right" than the poorer people. What kind of right is that?

[smile] That is why We need the Abundance Paradigm....

[Amaterasu]

Displayed to who? On national television?

The "funerals" were closed casket.  The parents DID NOT get to see Their dead child.

You said it, few.

Yes, few.  Not a PEEP from the Others, not a TEAR from those We saw.

To some people that were not really involved in the situation...

Seriously, ArMaP...?  There is enough out there that, as victims, I would think some few would step forward wanting to get answers.

Exhume? Before they were buried.

Really, are Ye that slow?  NOW.  I would think some parents NOW would be wanting answers.

Nothing of what you wrote answers my question:
Were the families not allowed to view the children or was it their choice?

They were NOT ALLOWED to see the bodies.  OK?  Make sense?

[ArMaP]

Yes, and if They must, They take up arms - unless They have been coaxed into giving up Their arms.

They don't need arms, they outnumber the oppressors, that's why the oppressors have a bigger fear of knowledge than of arms.

[smile] That is why We need the Abundance Paradigm....

If we need that then it's not a right, it's something we get in exchange for something else.

[ArMaP]

The "funerals" were closed casket.  The parents DID NOT get to see Their dead child.

As far as you know, I guess.

Yes, few.  Not a PEEP from the Others, not a TEAR from those We saw.

Then you don't know if the others saw their children or not.

Seriously, ArMaP...?  There is enough out there that, as victims, I would think some few would step forward wanting to get answers.

Yes, seriously, as I have only seen the complaints from people that were not involved in the situation. Could it be because those that were really affected know what happened and see it for what it really was?

Really, are Ye that slow?  NOW.  I would think some parents NOW would be wanting answers.

If they had their answers then they will not need them now, right?

They were NOT ALLOWED to see the bodies.  OK?  Make sense?

Could you provide some real evidence for that?

[Amaterasu]

They don't need arms, they outnumber the oppressors, that's why the oppressors have a bigger fear of knowledge than of arms.
If we need that then it's not a right, it's something we get in exchange for something else.

As far as you know, I guess.
Then you don't know if the others saw their children or not.
Yes, seriously, as I have only seen the complaints from people that were not involved in the situation. Could it be because those that were really affected know what happened and see it for what it really was?
If they had their answers then they will not need them now, right?
Could you provide some real evidence for that?

ArMaP, it was reported on the news that NONE of the bodies were allowed to be viewed.  So...  Make of that what You will.

And surely We have NOT seen all the parents.

Be that as it may, You are clearly invested in not seeing the issues in this story that You have admitted You know little about.  So...

Yup.  You're right.  Have a nice day.  [smile]

[burntheships]

Mass murders, well cyanide comes to mind...
and so do explosives strapped to the back,
hijacked airplanes, to name a few not just guns.

So we should make it easier to commit mass murder should we?

No we should not, and where did I say that?
No need to put words into my mouth to make your case,
that does not fly here.

Mass murder is everywhere, war is everywhere.
Ban drones, knives, cyanide, explosives, cars, planes,
trains, and then ban guns. Sure, and while your at it,
ban all violent movies. and "T.V." shows that depict
mass shootings, ban all violent video games too.



Taken on its logical course the argument that guns
kill and therefore need to be banned is absurd.

[zorgon]

Solution... Gangman Style...

Celebrating St Valentine's Day...

[Pimander]

"They"/"The Government" or whoever you think they are do not fight with guns and cannot be defeated by them.

The war is an information one and if it comes to weapons they have something a little bit more sophisticated and powerful than pea shooters.  Helicopter gunships, chemical weapons, control of the water and electricity supply, the banks, nukes, space based surveillance and control of Education and the internet (almost).

If you love guns then that is fine.  People who need them should own one.  People who don't should not be carrying assault rifles designed to kill many people quickly.

The right to bear arms a hundred years or more ago was a defence against government tyranny.  Now it is simply an excuse for the government to create laws which take away your freedoms to "combat terror" or "protect you from commys".  It suits oppressors to have an armed population for that reason.  Is that too difficult a concept for an American citizen to grasp?

It surprises me how people with brains fail to see that it is that we are many and can share the truth that is our weapon.  Guns are incidental and just mean that crazy deranged Fcuk heads are more likely to be near a gun when they lose it.

The above is as true as the sun will not fall on my head today.

[Amaterasu]

If you love guns then that is fine.  People who need them should own one.  People who don't should not be carrying assault rifles designed to kill many people quickly.

And if One is attacked by a gang...?  One just might need a gun, and one that will kill many People quickly, eh?

The right to bear arms a hundred years or more ago was a defence against government tyranny.  Now it is simply an excuse for the government to create laws which take away your freedoms to "combat terror" or "protect you from commys".  It suits oppressors to have an armed population for that reason.  Is that too difficult a concept for an American citizen to grasp?

WHAT?  The 2nd is NOT an excuse to take away freedoms.  It (the right/freedom to bear arms) too is under attack - or have You failed to notice?  And it surely suits NOT an oppressive regime to have armed citizenry.

It surprises me how people with brains fail to see that it is that we are many and can share the truth that is our weapon.  Guns are incidental and just mean that crazy deranged Fcuk heads are more likely to be near a gun when they lose it.

It surprises Me that People with brains fail to see that the first step in oppression is to disarm the citizens, and that, though the revolution is one of IDEAS, the ability to protect those ideas is crucial.

The above is as true as the sun will not fall on my head today.

Maybe in Your universe...

[Pimander]

Cultural blindness.  You have effectively ignored my points or given no reason why they are incorrect.  I will not counter points I have already countered.

[Amaterasu]

Cultural blindness.  You have effectively ignored my points or given no reason why they are incorrect.  I will not counter points I have already countered.

Not sure how You think I have "ignored" Your points.  Except that maybe You ignored Mine?

[shrug]

[burntheships]

"They"/"The Government" or whoever you think they are do not fight with guns and cannot be defeated by them.

It is disturbing to see people fall for the gubbment bull poop.
Its not a matter of what the gubbment does or does not do.

The second amendment stands and affords the right to bear
arms. Why is that so damn hard for people to understand?

The only reason it is now an issue is the gubbment has 
reached a tipping point where it the beast is to large and
it will be self consuming in the near future. There are many
aspects to how the beast will try and feed itself, and one of them
is to try and shape the way people think and therefore act,
They want a neat and tidy path to ultimate control.

Yes, the war they wage is on many levels
an information war, and if your thinking that
the second amendment is old and outdated,
they have already defeated you.

Sad day it is to see.

Only one step removed from that is the idea that the gubbment
should operate on a pre crime basis, so that anyone they see
as dangerous should be locked up, or stripped of their second
amendment rights, and many other rights.

Once you start down the path they set for you, your screwed.
Guard your thoughts, as surely you will be led away if you dont.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP, it was reported on the news that NONE of the bodies were allowed to be viewed.  So...  Make of that what You will.

Then I suppose you can point some of those reports to me, right? Thanks in advance.

And surely We have NOT seen all the parents.

Then we cannot really say that they were forbidden from seeing their children, right?

Be that as it may, You are clearly invested in not seeing the issues in this story that You have admitted You know little about.  So...

No, I am invested in not accepting things just because someone says so.

Yup.  You're right.  Have a nice day.  [smile]

Thanks, a nice day to you too.

[spacemaverick]

Not trying to be a smart aleck but I thought this thread was about New Sandy Hook info?  It seems to have gotten into Gun Control.

[ArMaP]

And it surely suits NOT an oppressive regime to have armed citizenry.

That depends. Why did Hitler made it easier for people to own guns?

It surprises Me that People with brains fail to see that the first step in oppression is to disarm the citizens, and that, though the revolution is one of IDEAS, the ability to protect those ideas is crucial.

It's not, the first step to oppression is either to find a common enemy to be used as scapegoat or do it by force, with the support of the military. Then they change laws/rules to make it easier for those on their side to have more power, then they find a way of supporting those that support them and (at least) ignore those that do not.

During the whole time, propaganda is their best weapon against the people, keeping them ignorant of the real reasons behind what they are doing. Keeping the people in ignorance is their most powerful weapon.

During the Portuguese dictatorship of the Estado Novo (New State), one their main worries was to keep people ignorant, with one of the main government supporters saying that the common man only needed to learn how to sign his name. Because of that, most people didn't even know that there was a persecution against the people that had different ideas (my father was arrested once because someone told the police that he was reading a forbidden book) and that many people were tortured and killed by the political police.

Weapons were not forbidden during that time, what was forbidden was to get the knowledge of how people were kept in the dark about how things worked.

Sorry for the small rant, but I lived the first 11 years of my life in a dictatorship and my father was, for some time, a member of the only political party that was allowed (to make it look like we had real elections), that's why I always try to point that knowledge, not guns, is the best weapon the people have against tyranny.

PS: my boss only started getting an idea of how things were when he was sent to the war in what was at the time one of the Portuguese colonies in Africa, the Portuguese Guinea (today Guinea Bissau), and only because of a doctor that ignored the orders to stop treating the wounded enemies and kept on treating them.