Gun Lover's Thread

[zorgon]

2nd Amendment Preservation Act Passes Utah House, 49-17

SALT LAKE CITY (March 8, 2013) – In Salt Lake City this morning, the Utah State House of Representatives voted to nullify all federal gun laws, rule, regulations and orders on firearms, firearm accessories and ammunition.

House Bill 114 (HB114), introduced by Representative Brian Greene state, in part:

An officer or employee of the federal government may not enforce or attempt to enforce any federal statute, order, rule, or regulation relating to the intrastate ownership, possession, sale, or transfer of a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, ammunition, or ammunition component.

The Utah House passed the bill by a vote of 49-17 (see how reps voted here)

HB114 also takes the strong constitutional position that laws which are contrary to the 2nd Amendment are no law at all:

    finds that a federal statute, regulation, rule, or order that has the purpose, intent, or effect of confiscating or banning any firearm, firearm accessory, limiting the capacity of a firearm magazine, imposing any limitation on ammunition or an ammunition component, or requiring the registration of any firearm or ammunition infringes on the right of citizens of Utah to keep and bear arms as protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 6 of the Utah Constitution.

Alexander Hamilton proclaimed the same when he wrote the following in Federalist #78:

    "Every act of a delegated authority contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the constitution, can be valid."

The bill takes the extremely important step in a full prohibition on all state and local enforcement of federal gun laws, rules, regulations or orders on firearms, accessories and ammunition owned or manufactured in the state (read: all)

    An officer or employee of this state, or of any political subdivision, may not enforce, attempt to enforce, or be compelled to enforce any federal statute, order, rule, or  regulation relating to the intrastate ownership, possession, sale, or transfer of a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, ammunition, or ammunition component.

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/03/2nd-amendment-preservation-act-passes-utah-house-49-17/

[zorgon]

A Sign From God...

[zorgon]

Joe Resnick

I like this sign!!! Send Obama back to Chicago...let him deal with 'The Community'...which he helped to 'shape/create'...through his career of 'Community-building'. Chicago is an 'Urban War Zone'...complete with corruption (uhhh...Jesse Jackson, Jr. ring a bell?)...Mayor Richard Daley (read the book..."The Boss"??). Obama has 'Drones' now...so he can send the drones in to 'take out' trouble spots....

That last sentence is scary, but true. "Disarmed for your convenience." Ouch! ~~Seano

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[sky otter]

now this is something interesting..notice the word mandatory...


A gun for every home? Maine town to vote on mandatory firearm ownership


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/11/17266443-a-gun-for-every-home-maine-town-to-vote-on-mandatory-firearm-ownership?lite=


By Sarah Mahoney, Reuters
Residents of a Maine town are expected to vote Monday on whether each household should be required to own a firearm, a decision that has thrust the tiny town of Byron into the heated national debate on gun control.

The vote is scheduled to take place on Monday evening in a potentially rancorous annual town meeting for the western Maine town's 140 residents and will be largely symbolic.

The town's head selectman says the vast majority of households in Byron already have at least one gun, and a requirement to possess guns and ammunition would be unenforceable because Maine law bars municipalities from legislating on firearms.

"It was never my intention to force anyone to own a gun who doesn't want to. My purpose was to make a statement in support of the Second Amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," said Head Selectman Anne Simmons-Edmund, who proposed the ordinance.


remainder at link

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/11/17266443-a-gun-for-every-home-maine-town-to-vote-on-mandatory-firearm-ownership?lite=

[zorgon]

FORBES: 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.  It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition.  As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month.  Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.  In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation.  As observed by "paramilblogger" Ken Jorgustin last September:

    [T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the  Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 'Mine Resistant Protected' MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of theUnited States."

    These MRAP's ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions."

    Regardless of the exact number of MRAP's being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone... yes, definitely. Let's protect our men and women. On the streets of America... ?"

    ...

    "They all have gun ports... Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America...?

    Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?"

Why indeed?  It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d'etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America.  There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok.  About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy's general counsel's office in its procurement and finance division.  And is wise to the ways.   The answer to "why would DHS need such a vehicle?" almost certainly is this:  it's a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget.  So...why not?

http://libertycrier.com/government/forbes-1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

[zorgon]

[zorgon]

So okay then  Chicks with Guns?

I found THIS one at Godlikeproductions... LOL   Are they a bunch of Chickens over there?

[zorgon]

[rdunk]

On a more serious note - possibly unexpected support in values shared with the NRA.

Very interesting! 



                                                     

[rdunk]

By the way Z, it seems you must like the color of "olive drab" too!!! 

[sky otter]

i don't think Z is into guns so much
as he is into girls with guns.. or girls with ferrets or girls with..
well girls with anything

[zorgon]

Alaska Just Nullified Unconstitutional Gun Control Laws

The 49th state to join the Union has become the second to successfully traverse the perilous waters of nullification. In a sweeping reform, the state of Alaska has deemed that rights of the citizenry guaranteed under the state and national constitutions will no longer be ignored or side-stepped by an over-zealous federal government.

Utilizing the Tenth Amendment — which protects the rights of states to do whatever the federal government can't do — Alaska has completely cut funding to a number of unconstitutional and illegal federal programs, including programs that violate the Second Amendment. This means enforcing those laws in Alaska is now essentially impossible.

Utilizing the Tenth Amendment, which articulates that states withhold any rights not exclusively mentioned in the constitution, Alaska has opted to effectively neutralize a number of arguably tyrannical federal mandates. House Bill 69 offers a number of protections to the citizens of Alaska within the realm of the second amendment. It also offers protection against the federal government's power to indefinitely detain citizens.

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/alaska-nullification/

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