First PEGASUS EXPERIMENT

[robomont]

the thing will weigh 100-200lbs.
the spiral will be the smallest exaust pipe readily available.
the mercury will be acguired from thermometers.
the top ball will just be polished steel hitch ball.

all of these things can be changed if advice is worthy.

come on guys and gals, lets make this happen.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Sounds more like a recipie for a big explosion than anything

But we can do something with it.
I would like to build a scale model (6" high?), i have 1 or 2 CC's of mercury, from an old tilt switch which when vapourised will fill quite a lot of space.
Then we will need to know more about mercury, boiling point vapour point specific gravity dielectric constant etc etc. Wiki can do that for us

Kinda busy now, but it's certainly one for the drawing board.
"Project No;25" LOL
I think the biggest problem will be getting the dimensions of the spiral right......

ETA: Something i drew up years ago, a toroidial 3-phase version......



Later!

[1Worldwatcher]

674.1°F (356.7°C)
Mercury, Boiling point

Vapor Point:
59.11 kJ·mol?1

Melting Point:
234.3210 K,??38.8290 °C,?
?37.8922 °F

And the WIKI Ect. Ect, Etc.......

LOL

1WW

[Littleenki]

Id look closer at your choice of materials first Robo, as in using heavy metal pipe will offer severe limitations once some sort of lift is recognized.

Also, if you use metal pipe, chances are youll have to operate this device on a scale, and the difference in perceived weight will give you your lift numbers.

If I built this thing, it would be from either a much lighter materials set, such as wafer thin aluminum for the boiling chamber, and then some sort of thinwall aluminum tubing for the coil and other fittings.

What you are trying to achieve is possible in nature, as all solids(matter) will, in the quest to return to the creator as a gas or vapor, offer some sort of lift as it transitions from solid to vapor..and this movement is always towards the heavens at right angles to the Earth's center.

Then the downward flow of ions from the vaporization of the Mercury will offer another boost.

The device will display an inherent effort to begin spinning, too, when turned on, and this spinning can be used towards lift, or can negate it as well..care must be taken to observe the weight of it as it operates at differing intensity levels, then adjusting the ability of it to spin freely, which will waste upward thrust if not coordinated with the thrust in the correct ratio. A throttle of sorts....or PTO.

Also, remember, even if it doesn't fly....it will provide some sort of angular momentum, and that must be a percentage higher than the input, to be of any useful engineering. If it gets a little overunity, it could effectively spin up a generator slowly, and keep it going using a flywheel once the rpm is sufficient for tapping off inductively.

And finally, if this device uses displaced ions as it's main source of thrust, then it will basically be an elemental, or isotopic lifter, depending on what really happens in the closed loop of the device...with the same limitations and operative deficiencies as a lifter.

Much work for the math people here..thank god Im not one of them!LOL!

Cheers!
Le

[robomont]

the metal has to be iron or steal due to destructive corrosion by mercury plasma.

if it just glows blue then ill call small success.

i expect some rotation if it is air born.

small tubing may hold more pressure than large tubing but may dissipate heat slower.

there may need to have a dome over or under it to direct ions around engine to create more lift.

[robomont]

as this goes forward.i will get a general bid on materials and labor around the third of next month.

please try to have all math formulas in faranheit and standard american measurments .

i want this info to be easily understandable by the general public so it is easily dissiminated to the public.
this is just as much about getting the info out there as it is about building and testing.

[Littleenki]

Look at the Vimanas too, Robo...they are often shaped like a cone, and the hull itself may have been a tuned exhaust for the ionic flow...

Le

[robomont]

the cone shaped ones dont use this engine .only the round and saucer shaped ones.

[1Worldwatcher]

Can you get a design of the device on line here so we have a better understanding of what your idea is, got a basic idea, and doing the math isn't really all that hard, may take a while but not overly mind melding, but seeing the principle design idea would help a lot robomont.

1WW

[robomont]

the basic design is the pics i posted earlier in the thread.not the green swirly but the first pic of the four pics.minus the wings.
if thing is a hundred pounds then we need to move a hundred lbs of ionized air.the magnetic field needs to be able to grab and drive downward .my guess the energy needs to described in watts .im not familiar with the strength of magnetic fields.that is my weakness.i think the term is teslas?.basically the spiral is a solinoid.i need a solinoid that will lift a hundred pounds.with a magnetic field large enough to grab all the ionized particles.my guess is the thing is self adjusting but the math helps.the righthand rule says that looking from above and down on the thing the spiral will be counterclockwise.

does any of that help?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Yes it does (a little) we will need to go much further, like the diagram i posted above. This is my rendition of the actual B-3 drive, but with my own extras.

The spiral is indeed a type of geometry that has cropped up in the past, right L.E.?


You guys carry on for a while, i have stuff to do.
But i won't be far away

P.S. Check THIS out, i decided to move one of my threads on free energy to the open forum
Now this may seem 'old hat' or 'debunked' to you, but we have fully tested it & it WORKS!

[robomont]

@pwm .tried to access.still locked out.

[The Seeker]

ok robo, let me add a little to this; i deal with high pressure tubing on a daily basis putting in oil and grease systems; 5/8" oil tubing made of steel, .035" wall thicknes, rated at 2500psi; a 20' length of it weighs  around 2lbs. and is easily bent or shaped using a conduit bender; we also use different diameters of pipe up to 1 1/2", also have grease tubing that is heavy wall, designed to stand well over 5,000 psi;

exhaust tubing will burst at somewhere between 200 and 400 psi; I also have access to steel ferrule fittings to make all the connections and joints, all forged fittings that are high pressure rated;

for the targeted funding amount you stated you can buy more than enough to construct several prototypes and have a much higher safety factor and a lot less weigh, much easier materials to work with, and basically be able to do all of the design and construction yourself with simple hand tools...


seeker

[robomont]

seeker you are awesome.i like what im hearing.

i think it should be welded though as fittings usually leak under a vacuum.not always but most times.especially with high heat added.

but i really appreciate the advice on the pressures.
i did not know those numbers.

where would i find that tubing or is it just brake line?

if we all pitch in i think we can make the thing and at minumum watch it explode.   :  )

i think the coil will be spoy welded in places

[robomont]

i think the coil will be spot welded in places to keep its funnel form.

that 5/8 tubing sounds pretty good.

is their anybody out there that could give me an idea about the magnetic field?

thanx again to all yall.this is beginning to come along real well.