More clues from Star Trek

[The Seeker]

Then why the hell do we live on top of one another? There's no room to breathe. You fart in your bathroom and your neighbor smells it in his. Stupid.

I don't know where you live at, VI; I live 35 miles west of Atlanta, ga. and there is still plenty of room and wide open spaces all around; you do realize that 80% of the US population lives east of the Mississippi River? and the remaining 20% (roughly 60 million) west of the miss live on the coast?

Sounds to me like you need to find a better place to park...


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[Amaterasu]

Then why the hell do we live on top of one another? There's no room to breathe. You fart in your bathroom and your neighbor smells it in his. Stupid.

[smile] Because THAT is where We have centralized power in grids - which leads to most jobs being in these small grid areas.  And so We flock to these (statistically speaking, nonexistent) places on this planet.  We have little choice.

If We had personal free energy, and no need to work to survive, We would disburse across the planet (and with electrogravitics, We would disburse upwards as well).  And so, communities of common interest will be sprawling, and still, any who want to be alone would be hard-pressed to find another Human in 10 cubic miles over most of the planet.

The "elite" use Your perspective to Their advantage, making People believe there is a population problem on this planet.  They want to justify Their eugenics.

[petrus4]

Then why the hell do we live on top of one another? There's no room to breathe. You fart in your bathroom and your neighbor smells it in his. Stupid.

When Amaterasu says that there is sufficient room for all of us, she did refer to the state of Texas.  Cities tend to be designed around pre-existing arable land.  Permaculture has demonstrated that it is possible to rehydrate arid environments, but it does take considerable work.  If this was done, however, that land could be reclaimed.

The antigravity research of people like John Hutchison needs to be utilised as well, when it is sufficiently mature.  The ideal scenario would be one in which the majority of individuals lived in structures which were suspended above the terrestrial surface via antigravity, which would give the environment a chance to recover, while removing the need for the cabal's proposed culling of the human population, a la Agenda 21.

It has been estimated that the carrying capacity of the planet's surface is ten billion people, if it were to be appropriately utilised.  Non-pathological, truly effective urban design will be radically different from current cities; and more than anything else, will be constructed in a modular manner, from entirely recyclable materials.  The purpose of this would be to ensure that new architectural and technological advances could be incorporated directly into existing buildings, as soon as the designs mature.

Mind you, it is worth noting that what I have quoted here, are primarily technologically oriented solutions.  Permaculture and related movements also have their own proposals, which include such things as rammed Earth, cob and hay bail miniature house designs, etc.  Mike Reynolds' work into building with recyclable materials should also be investigated.

My own desire is to keep in mind proposed solutions from both the Venus Project (Uranian/technological/left brain hemisphere) and Permaculture (Saturnine/classical/right brain hemisphere) perspectives.  Both offer valuable pieces of the puzzle, and neither are likely to be entirely successful, in exclusion of the other.

[petrus4]

[smile] Because THAT is where We have centralized power in grids - which leads to most jobs being in these small grid areas.  And so We flock to these (statistically speaking, nonexistent) places on this planet.  We have little choice.

Mesh or grid topology is not so much the problem, Amy; in fact, such could be an overwhelming source of strength, if we were using it properly.  Excessive centralisation is the real issue.

[Amaterasu]

Mesh or grid topology is not so much the problem, Amy; in fact, such could be an overwhelming source of strength, if we were using it properly.  Excessive centralisation is the real issue.

That's pretty much what I said, Petrus...  "Because THAT is where We have centralized power in grids..."  Because We have most grids in small areas, drawing People in with jobs, which requires housing, which requires ways to put the greatest number of Humans in the least amount of space...

Remove this grid requirement and We will not have to pack Ourselves into small boxes that leak Our farts to Our neighbors.

[VillageIdiot]

The eugenics paranoia here is interesting.

[Somamech]

3D printed food, Cake Decorator's 3D print Food as they use an additive process to achieve form

3d printed food irk's me to some extent as hoomans are wasting time on a topic that works quite well already.  Plant a seed and then grow it and the food 3D print's itself. Cell by Cell the food slowly print's itself till its ready for your dinner plate

Technically speaking adding mashed potato to a plate could be called 3D printing

In the commercial world it takes anywhere up to over 30 odd hour's using a laser with a scan speed of 12 meter's per second to make plastic part's in a full build envelope of round about 381 x 330 x 457 mm.

For those on Imperial 12 metres = 39.3700787 feet (39 feet 47?16 inches) Per Second according to Google.

Oddly the system I have mentioned use's Canon Mirror's.  Damn wish I could search in Japanese, and typing this have given me the thought to take the cover's off and see if they are MIJ

[Somamech]

Oddly... and this is posted under I don't know...

Some other 3D printer's (I use that term as it seems people understand that term) is that the same Mirror Assembly can be used with a much lower powered laser using a different material at much lower wattage and the same mirror assembly wont make as much noise when scanning each layer. 

Thinking out loud here, either I work with a bunk machine (half true) or there is something to higher powered laser's creating more torque through heat and what have you in mirror systems that are working hard

[Somamech]

Forgot to add my hypothetical point to that post which could well and truly be bunk.. but hey better to add a thought than not at times

What if some of those strange sounds reported that some have shown to seem legit are the strain of a laser based system ?

Its not a theory or anything like that, just an idea and throwing it out there

[Amaterasu]

The eugenics paranoia here is interesting.

You might want to look into Agenda 21...  Yes, it's real, and yes, They are slowly implementing it.  Talk about putting Humans in boxes!

[VillageIdiot]

You might want to look into Agenda 21...  Yes, it's real, and yes, They are slowly implementing it.  Talk about putting Humans in boxes!

Do you really believe everything you read and see on TV?

[Amaterasu]

Do you really believe everything you read and see on TV?

Firstly, I don't HAVE a TV.  Since You are just going to brush this off, here's some links (I did the footwork for You):

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/19/what-is-agenda-21-after-watching-this-you-may-not-want-to-know/

http://americanpolicy.org/agenda21/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15344-missouri-legislature-bans-un-agenda-21

That's just from Page 1 of a Google search...  Here's stuff on eugenics:





http://say-no-to-agenda-21-de-population.blogspot.com/

http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/159-science-meets-un-agenda-21-eugenics-and-population-control.html

http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2013/04/28/agenda-21-fema-camps-eugenics-codex-and-the-new-world-order-explained-plainly-for-you-wake-up-america/

http://kritterbox.com/Thread-AGENDA-21-Woman-Exposes-Rockefellers-Eugenics-Sterilization-Program

As usual, I could go on and on.  Do You always discount things You don't want to believe in?

[petrus4]

I'm currently watching another episode from the original series; The City on the Edge of Forever.  In it, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy go back to 1930; just after the Great Depression.

At that time, in California, there arose something called the Universal Exchange Association.  It was a co-operative system that could have eventually grown into a TAP/RBE/EVS type economy.  It was eventually outlawed by Franklin Roosevelt, and its' members also seduced by the New Deal.

I'm realising now that the ideas behind a TAP-like economic system have been within the collective mind for a long time; since at least the 1880s.  What has taken us so long, has not been a lack of ideas, but getting to the point where we are emotionally so tired of all of the other less fair possibilities that we are ready to insist on the TAP/RBE/EVS economy.

I am starting to think that it is really an emotional tipping point that we need, more than an informational one.  The ideas are there; a lot of people know about them.  That isn't the real problem.  The problem is that we are not yet at the point where we are sufficiently tired, yet, of the pain, deprivation, and heartache caused by less fair economic systems.

[zorgon]

I'm currently watching another episode from the original series; The City on the Edge of Forever.

Yeah cool that one  The first mention of a Star Gate or Jump Gate

I'm realising now that the ideas behind a TAP-like economic system have been within the collective mind for a long time; since at least the 1880s.  What has taken us so long, has not been a lack of ideas, but getting to the point where we are emotionally so tired of all of the other less fair possibilities that we are ready to insist on the TAP/RBE/EVS economy.

The IDEA has been around since the cave man... the implimentation has happened several times in history at various levels.. EVERYTIME it has always fallen because a few take control and steer it in the wrong direction.

A utopian system will always mean the majority of people will become lazy and apathetic. I KNOW you, Amy and others refuse to accept that but it is true. If everyone had free marijauna and didn't have to work for a living... a vast number would just sit and veggitate with a joint and not really care what was going on.

Sooner or later one evil mind will come along and take control.

Look at the currant Muslim situation... never mind if you consider them activists or peaceful... what matters is the MINDSET and the fact that by shear numbers THEIR paridigm will take over the world in a few years by simply breeding numbers.

You cannot reach your tipping point while their tipping point is spreading like a plague. And make no mistake  they are not interested in a free society

So if tipping points are to be decided by mere thought, belief and awareness... (law of attraction) then you have already lost by sheer force of numbers

Fortunately CHINA is coming up fast on our side (Yes on OUR SIDE) because they will swing to a free socity seeking abundance and THEY have numbers

The problem is that we are not yet at the point where we are sufficiently tired, yet, of the pain, deprivation, and heartache caused by less fair economic systems.

This is true... I can testify that in my own situation I was down to my last buck in January with no job, my wife had no job... no health coverage no unemployment and no way to pay next months mortgage.

I turned it around slowly by selling bits and crap online... now bank account is slowing going into the plus, wife got a full time 40hr a week job and things are 'normalizing'

Looking at internet sales you will find that the situation is not as dire as gloom and doom merchants  say it is... it is merely an adjustment and belt tightening  which Americans have done before

So yes  its not bad enough yet for people to pick up pitch forks and storm Washington

[zorgon]

The "elite" use Your perspective to Their advantage, making People believe there is a population problem on this planet.  They want to justify Their eugenics.

Actually I am getting tired of this Eugenics crap...  people have been talking about that since before Hitler... yet every year the population rises

IF they wanted to wipe us out WHY haven't they? They have more than enough ways to do it with space weapons nukes bacteria and toxins

WHY are they taking so long?
WHY was this talked about 50 years ago and still hasn't happened
WHAT are they waiting for exactly?


People live in big cities because most humans have a HIVE MIND... they WANT to live in big cities

Japan is working on a HUGE city self contained and you will never have to leave it to work live or play





http://www.geekwidget.com/shimizu-try-2004-mega-city-pyramid-346

So sorry NOT buying into this eugenics program one bit