Gladiators of truth, I call this recent plane crash, phony BS

[Gigas]

Wake if you can, its a long hard dreamers disease they have you under.

I was WOW'd by the headlines on this one till I took an intense look and realized this is another made for TV scripted story washing down your brain.

I know some of you will be to shocked to see the fakery of facts as they laid them out with sensational type set lines of horror ran together to obscure your critical thinking into falling on the hype of smoke and mirror imagery fueling the emotional reaction to gasp and play this in your mind, as its just to horrible to imagine as fakery cause there it is, in all its blazing color.

Go ahead, look at the props and read the story line. Then come back and bash me for being a monster shaking you from your drip fed smeared reality pasted in your mind by mini-true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357502/San-Francisco-plane-crash-Two-dead-tail-snaps-Boeing-777.html

[sky otter]

Gigas
sorry to ask but  could you be more specific in what you are trying to point out..cause i must have missed it

yeah been seeing the story everywhere


WHAT WENT WRONG?


Investigators Probe Crash... Airline Denies Mechanical Failure...
Official: Possible Pilot Error Investigated... Black Boxes Found...
Victims Identified: 16-Year-Old Students...
5 In Critical Condition...

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SFO Plane Crash Cause Investigated By FAA, NTSB
Reuters  |  Posted: 07/07/2013 9:36 am EDT  |  Updated: 07/07/2013 1:07 pm EDT


By Sarah McBride

SAN FRANCISCO, July 7 (Reuters) - U.S. officials examined flight information recorders and began investigating the crash of an Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 that burst into flames upon landing in San Francisco, killing two teenaged Chinese students and injuring more than 180 people, officials said on Sunday.

There was no immediate indication of the cause of Saturday's accident but Asiana said mechanical failure did not appear to be a factor. The airline declined to blame either the pilot or the San Francisco control tower.

Eric Weiss, a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, said the plane's "black boxes" - the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder - had been recovered and were sent to Washington for analysis. The Federal Aviation Administration also was investigating and Asiana Airlines said on Sunday that Korean accident investigators were on their way to San Francisco.

NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said on Sunday there was no indication of a criminal act but it was too early to determine what went wrong.

"Everything is still on the table," she said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Investigators in coming days will interview the pilots and look at data from the black boxes, radar equipment and other information to determine the cause of the crash, she said in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."

"It's really important to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together," Hersman said.

The plane was coming in from Seoul when witnesses said its tail appeared to hit the approach area of a runway that juts into San Francisco Bay. One witness said the plane appeared to be coming in too low and too fast.

The impact knocked off the plane's tail and the aircraft appeared to bounce violently, scattering a trail of debris before coming to rest on the tarmac.


SERIOUS INTERIOR DAMAGE


Pictures taken by survivors showed passengers hurrying away from the wrecked plane. Thick smoke billowed from the fuselage and TV footage later showed the aircraft gutted and blackened by fire. Much of its roof was gone.


Interior damage to the plane also was extreme, Hersman said on CNN.

"You can see the devastation from the outside of the aircraft, the burn-through, the damage to the external fuselage," she said. "But what you can't see is the damage internally. That is really striking."

The dead were identified as Ye Meng Yuan and Wang Lin Jia, both 16-year-old girls and described as Chinese nationals who are students, Asiana Airlines said. They had been seated at the rear of the aircraft, according to government officials in Seoul and Asiana.

The crash was the first fatal accident involving the Boeing 777, a popular long-range jet that has been in service since 1995. It was the first fatal commercial airline accident in the United States since a regional plane operated by Colgan Air crashed in New York in 2009.

"For now, we acknowledge that there were no problems caused by the 777-200 plane or (its) engines," Yoon Young-doo, the president and CEO of the airline, told reporters on Sunday at the company headquarters on the outskirts of Seoul.

Asiana on Sunday said the flight, which had originated in Shanghai, had carried 291 passengers and 16 crew members. The passengers included 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans, 64 U.S. citizens, three Indians, three Canadians, one French, one Vietnamese and one Japanese citizen.

Dale Carnes, assistant deputy chief of the San Francisco Fire Department, said 49 people were hospitalized with serious injuries. Another 132 suffered moderate and minor injuries.

Five people were in critical condition at San Francisco General Hospital, according to spokeswoman Rachael Kagan. She said a total of 52 people were treated for burns, fractures and internal injuries. Three people were critical at Stanford Hospital.


TOO LOW, TOO FAST

Survivor Benjamin Levy told a local NBC station he believed the Asiana plane had been coming in too low.

"I know the airport pretty well, so I realized the guy was a bit too low, too fast, and somehow he was not going to hit the runway on time, so he was too low ... he put some gas and tried to go up again," he said in a telephone interview.


"But it was too late, so we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going up in the air again, and then landed again, pretty hard."

Levy said he opened an emergency door and ushered people out. "We got pretty much everyone in the back section of the plane out," he said. "When we got out there was some smoke. There was no fire then. The fire came afterward."

Vedpal Singh, a native of India, was on board the flight along with his wife and son when the aircraft struck the landing strip.

"Your instincts take over. You don't know what's going on," said Singh, who had his arm in a sling as he walked through the airport's international terminal and told reporters he had suffered a fractured collar bone.

Asiana, South Korea's junior carrier, has had two other fatal crashes in its 25-year history.

A senior Asiana official said the pilot was Lee Jeong-min, a veteran pilot who has spent his career with the airline. He was among four pilots on the plane who rotated on two-person shifts during the 10-hour flight, the official said.

A San Francisco airport spokesman said that a component of the facility's instrument landing system that tracks an incoming airplane's glide path was not working on Saturday.

Pilots and air safety experts said the glide path technology was far from essential for a safe landing in good weather.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/sfo-crash-cause_n_3557427.html

[Gigas]

Ya sure, you don't see any skid marks in the dirt. You do see alot of tire tracks from vehicles but nothing indicating that jet slide to that location. Looks like it was dropped on the ground.

The other point is, the wings should be folded up or torn off and jet fuel spilled and burned. Instead, you see none of that and shown the cabin burned out ONLY.

Notice no gobs of fire foam filling the entire area where the jet lays. No slide marks of the engine busted off, no markings at all of a jet sliding to a stop.

Notice the first image of the jet and black smoke rising. The smoke is coming from oil set ablaze behind the jet cabin perhaps 50 feet or more.

ITS ALL FAKE

[Eighthman]

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Fake?  To what end?  And fake how?  Did they fly the plane there and wreck it deliberately?

[sky otter]

well i guess we all believe what we want..but just becasue you didn't see the pictures you think of as proof doesn't mean it didn't happen..imo
just sayin
if all of these events that folk on line want to call fake then all i have to say is the hologram program is a huge success

but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?




http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/7/6/jet_liner_crashes_at.html



The plane may have hit the edge of the runway, as evidenced by the amount of debris that littered the runway, according to one official.




sorry didn't copy the link for this one

[Gigas]

Three to consider as to how it turned out splashed across the pages of the internet.

[Gigas]

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Fake?  To what end?  And fake how?  Did they fly the plane there and wreck it deliberately?

You tell me. Show us the skid marks in the dirt and other signs a plane skidded to a halt and why just the cabin went ablaze when the fuel is stored in the wings where the fire should be.

[Gigas]

Now, this is rather odd how a fire rages somewhere way behind this photo of the fuselage unburned but something is ablaze way back there as we see mucho black smoke but no flames.





Does that look like the top of the cabin ablaze or something burning way back yonder.

[sky otter]

well as you can see here the engine on the off side was on fire which would explain the cloud of smoke first seen..imo



This aerial photo shows the wreckage of the Asiana Flight 214 airplane after it crashed at the San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, Saturday, July 6, 2013. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/06/large-plane-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/

As the plane approached the runway from the waters of San Francisco Bay around noon, travelers in the terminals and others eyewitnesses could see that the aircraft was swaying unusually from side to side and that at one point the tail seemed to hit the ground.

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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jul/06/asiana-airlines-plane-crash-san-francisco/

"This is a work in progress," she said, adding the investigation has been turned over to the FBI and that terrorism has been ruled out. She said at least 48 people were initially transported from the scene to area hospitals.

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A Google Marketing Exec Took Some Dramatic Early Pictures Of The S.F. Plane Crash


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/krista-seidens-pictures-of-the-san-francisco-asiana-plane-crash-2013-7?op=1#ixzz2YOMYzN9q

see her pictures here
http://www.businessinsider.com/krista-seidens-pictures-of-the-san-francisco-asiana-plane-crash-2013-7#seiden-was-waiting-for-her-flight-to-phoenix-when-she-looked-out-the-window-she-tweeted-omg-a-plane-just-crashed-at-sfo-on-landing-as-im-boarding-my-plane-she-later-added-9news-pkgm-yes-plane-came-down-and-hit-on-its-belly-immediately-enveloped-on-smoke-pic-taken-15-sec-after-crash-1

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the hardest thing to change is someone's mind and if you are convinced this is fake i'm sure you will have some company..but there are a whole lot of folks who are witnesses who would not agree
i think your theory on this one will be a pretty hard sell

[Eighthman]

http://www.legitgov.org/Crash-survivor-says-everyone-plane-had-be-interviewed-FBI-they-could-be-allowed-leave

You may be onto something.  Godawful Productions has two or more odd reports about police stopping interviews and a guy who claims his website post was removed about this incident.

[Eighthman]

The explosion at the top of the plane might be from a bomb in the overhead luggage compartment.

Motive?  It's South Korean so maybe this is North Korean terror - or a false flag directed against them.

Any other ideas?

[ArMaP]

Apparently, this is a video of the crash.

[zorgon]

well i guess we all believe what we want..but just becasue you didn't see the pictures you think of as proof doesn't mean it didn't happen..imo
just sayin
if all of these events that folk on line want to call fake then all i have to say is the hologram program is a huge success

but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?

Well I do understand your point and I would have agreed with you until I learned the Boston marathon bomb drill was real.

But I can see why people think there is a problem with this one.  Compare the teo images together  I see a lot of issues



In the top picture:

1)the people are simply strolling around taking pictures as if it was no big deal. There is no panic, no running, no one worried the plane might explode (which happens when fire and airplane fuel mix ) No panic just calm meandering some carrying their bags

2)there are NO rescue vehicles and personal at the scene... what took them so long to get there?

3) the front door in top picture has a slide but in the bottom picture it is a stairway (this could have been changed later)

4) No holes in the top

5) That smoke is definitely behind the plane, not coming from the top... possibly an engine on the hidden wing, but that smoke is not from the fuselage


So is it faked or real? Don't know what is going on but those two images tell two different stories

[sky otter]

go to link for vocal recording of interchange of plane and tower.
it's not that i don't think we are being played..it's just that i don't see the reason behind it
and at this point it is all up in the air

aomewhere i say the written exchange - i'll try to find it.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/06/emergency-vehicles-are-responding-air-traffic-radio-documents-777-crash-landing-at-san-francisco-intl-airport/


'Emergency Vehicles Are Responding': Listen to Air-Traffic Controllers React to S.F. Crash Landing
Jul. 6, 2013 5:16pm Dave Urbanski
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332700  10Listen to air traffic controllers communicating before and after Asiana Airlines Flight 214 from Seoul, South Korea, crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport on Saturday:

            For about the first 45 seconds it's sounds like a regular daylight shift at air-traffic control; then at about the :50 mark, it's apparent something is wrong as the tone of the chatter shifts.

At the 1-minute mark, the controller says: "214...emergency vehicles are responding."

The controller's speech quickens considerably as he deals with the emergency crews, communicating with Flight 214, and planes still in the air.

At about the 1:55 mark, he messages the crash-landed flight again: "Asiana 214...emergency vehicles are responding...we have everyone on their way."

Passengers were forced to jump down emergency inflatable slides to safety. Local television station KCRA-TV reported there were two deaths, but that was not immediately confirmed. It was not immediately known whether there were any other injuries.

According to Fox News, the plane was carrying 291 passengers.

Photo credit: David Eun via path.com

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/nowthisnews/we-see-people-alive-and-walking-around-audio-749g

"We See People... Alive And Walking Around:" Audio From Flight 214 Crash
Listen to audio of the crew of Flight 214, the Asiana Airlines flight that crash landed on Saturday afternoon at San Francisco Airport.
posted on July 6, 2013 at 6:11pm EDT

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Video footage from Chopper 5 showed the top of the fuselage was burned away and the entire tail was gone. One of the two engines appeared to have broken away. Pieces of the tail were strewn about the runway. Emergency responders could be seen walking inside the burned-out wreckage

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/06/plane-crash-at-sfo/

[The Matrix Traveller]

Possible cause ?

The aircraft may have suffered what is known as "Wind Shear".

John Lear may have some thoughts on this ?

I am certainly no expert. 

I understand "Wind Shear", often occurs over sea water, near land masses.
So an aircraft looses altitude rapidly, through lack of lift, in such conditions.

Sometimes experienced near Wellington airport in NZ, so aircraft now come in at
a stepper decent.

In this video, we see the aircraft



contact the water then tries to lift.

This is where the aircraft possibly started bouncing, (on the water) as reported
by some. (Passengers)

Contacting the "Seawall" (with the tail section) may have caused the aircraft to lift, (Bounce)
until it contacted the ground where it stopped.

As for the two photos of the air craft, re openings in the aircraft; The fire may
have stared internally at 1st, then (People walking away from the aircraft but notice
NO fire trucks etc.) by the time most were clear of the wreckage, then the fire
involved a smoke explosion or combustible gasses from the upholstery in the cabin.