Snowden reveals UFO secrets?

[1Worldwatcher]

Sinny Wrote:

As to the minority who don't believe, they lack perception, and most likely are spiritualy less mature, or repressed. How can you deny the obvious? The blatant? The open?

I was just discussing this topic with a friend of mine that is quite intuitive to social liabilities with in thought perception and concise acknowledgement of what is reality and what is not. Her categorical confession was " I prefer Metaphysics over Theology, for if I have to read something to learn it, surely I have not experienced it." Really meant a lot when she said that too me, so thought I would share. (I will have to make sure she didn't copyright this though.. LOL )

This is like 'the Earth is flat' all over again.

Ironically enough Sinny, she said this exact same thing, bet you gal's would get along smashingly!!

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[Eighthman]

I find this very disturbing - that people zealously involved with UFO advocacy or whistleblowers seem to be subject to extreme and unreal standards. 

Guys like Stanton or Greer have education and established careers. If disclosure happens, they can find jobs somewhere or just retire.  Greer, in particular, has been subject to ceaseless ridicule and insults about his appearance ( which is childish and ad hominem). He also may have survived an aggressive cancer that 'appeared' out of nowhere and took the life of a close friend. Somehow, no one is supposed to profit from their advocacy in any way, as if they are independently wealthy.

I see negative press about Snowden - as if personal sacrifice meant nothing.  Heroes are now dismissed as 'narcissistic'.  Assange is dismissed as an 'Israeli'/ Mossad operative despite being stuck in an embassy indefinitely.

I am old enough to know that nothing is perfect but we do ourselves  - and our world - a real disservice by cynicism with no limits.  In its stead, I'd love to hear/read solid thoughts about how our world might change profoundly without violence.

[1Worldwatcher]

I see negative press about Snowden - as if personal sacrifice meant nothing.  Heroes are now dismissed as 'narcissistic'.  Assange is dismissed as an 'Israeli'/ Mossad operative despite being stuck in an embassy indefinitely.

I was more inclined to the whole UFO/ET Disclosure thing Eighthman. I can understand your point of  view, rest assured that I am on the same page, it is a matter of the topic being discussed.

IF Snowden did what he did to alert the world, then he is a person of the compassion necessary to become a solid politician, but , at the same time, with the current topic we are discussing with the disclosure stuff, it under-mind's the potential of the whole Snowden case and scenario. It short order, we can't trust anything or anyone it seems any longer for their word.

We have came a long way from a mere hand shake and a person's word as fact, and MSM has a lot to do with this, as you well know. It seems it all becomes moot for true analytically driven trust. Time will tell as they say, but for the most part, if Snowden is on the up and up, he has done his fellow civilians a great service, no doubt.

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher 

[spacemaverick]

Snowden may have had the purest of motives to bring out any of the information he has up to this point.  Of course the government side is going to muddy the waters as much as they can with as many disinfo agents as they can.  But I ask you...presidents have allowed technology that should have remained ours go to the other side (whoever the other side was at the time) and nothing has happened to them.  No impeachment process for them.  They are (our governing powers) going to try and silence Snowden because I think they don't want anymore to come out.  I don't think formal disclosure will ever happen but may come to individuals only for the most part.  Too many sheep out there just listen to whoever tell whatever and they take it as the gospel truth.  Disinfo agents come in many different venues to muddy up the waters.  While the agents do the muddy work, the powers that be move forward with their agenda.

[1Worldwatcher]

Spacemaverick Wrote:

Disinfo agents come in many different venues to muddy up the waters.  While the agents do the muddy work, the powers that be move forward with their agenda.

This is one thing I totally agree on Spacemaverick. Now we must keep our eyes on the left hand while the right hand is waving about, which is always, or seems to be always with in these types of disinfo campaign's they openly do with in agenda oriented propaganda.

When the news of Snowden's whistle blowing was released, and then they couldn't find him in Ch1n4 or locate his where-a-bouts for procuring his incarceration, the first thing I thought "Wasn't Snowden wanted for NSA involvement for tracking people unconstitutionally?" LOL Quite funny actually when  one thinks about it, but then my mind clicked, 'This would be a perfect case scenario that would allow the Public to 'THINK' he had gotten away from authorities, and have him removed.' Which is when I started watching the story unfold even closer.

When I had heard that Snowden went to Venezuela for asylum, well that raised my eyebrow for sure, because before Chavez passed away, Putin (Russia) had their annual War Games off the cost of Venezuela that had USA Diplomat's all up in arms and keeping a very watchful eye of what was taking place.

If there is any connection from one too another, I have no idea, but do find this rather strange coincidence because of the association's between Russia/Venezuela and the whole Chavez rant's of America and it's desire to have him over thrown due to his association's of none American sympathizer's. And this all came   at a point of high tension's between Chavez and the USA marching machine.

Just saying, being aware of these scenario's is prudent as you have brought up Spacemaverick, may be something that is not yet seen for the implication's it provides as too the why's Snowden didn't remain in Ch1n4 or Was not accepted in Ru$$1a, could be a scandal a brewing, we just can't see it for what it is worth yet..

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[undo11]

Yes... yes we do..

...we need to catch one...

Then you can interview him

lol i dunno my interviewing skills were never much to begin with and they are definitely rusty.   what do you ask an ET?

"Soooo, how's your family?"
"Tell me about your homeworld?"
"Do they have television commercials on Xpotqlorgak?"

[deuem]

For myself a person who has processed thousands of UFO and stange photos, read hundreds of reports and viewed countless videos, I still say, There is no solid proof.

Maybe 70% of the people still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.

What is solid proof is my real question. What can 100% of the people believe. What would that take.

I think I have stated many time that UFOs are real. So the Deuem vote is 1 of the 70%. But I do hold out for proof. What would this take? What is the definition of solid proof?

Remember, half of me is still an Engineer....

And a couple of years ago I got into a big debate with a guy that proved the world was flat and we were all being had..
Another one who said the sun and the moon are the same size and the stars are all fake. The Sun and Moon are only 2d Flat circles.
Should we believe them or ask for better proof?

Deuem

[zorgon]

Proof is easy LOL just take me for a ride in your alien spaceship

That or a full fledged invasion... but I would rather avoid that

[deuem]

If I only took you, then only you would have proof.

A full fledged invasion might work, I will pass on that one for now.

But a couple hundred low altitude Earth orbits by hundreds of crafts for days might work. And still I say, might work. Many people would say it was Harrp.

It would take a lot to reach everyone with 100% credable proof where even the nay sayers would agree.  What is that proof? Would a mass landings work, no, they would just eat them here. Stick a chopstick up the rear and toss it in the oil, Fine gray on a stick.

[Sinny]

" I prefer Metaphysics over Theology, for if I have to read something to learn it, surely I have not experienced it."

What a thought provoking statement! 

I agree sounds like we'd get on like a house on fire - Invite her to Pegasus 

[1Worldwatcher]

"Soooo, how's your family?"
"Tell me about your homeworld?"
"Do they have television commercials on Xpotqlorgak?"

well Undo, even if you are a bit rusty, I would love too be there for the questioning!!

"Xpotqlorak" What a mind!! LOL Glad you would be doing the interview, for I couldn't pronounce that let alone the other words you apparently know in Alien!! LOL

And by the way "Do you think I should add this to my spell checker?" Ha ha ha May come in handy after the interview.

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[1Worldwatcher]

What a thought provoking statement! 

yes, much like peanut Butter on the roof of one's mouth once heard or spoken.

I agree sounds like we'd get on like a house on fire - Invite her to Pegasus 

I have invited her, but she says that the internet is not all it is talked up as, and she would rather suck down a few cold beer's and discuss such matters in the presence of those having the conversation. A truly lovely mind she is.

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[Sinny]

Oh my gosh!

Drool!

Would almost murder for a beer right now aha.

[spacemaverick]

I have formulated an opinion (emphasis is opinion) that the original story I came across in the Internet Chronicle is a lot of bovine excrement.  There is a story on there also about HAARP composed of information we already know.  When you look at the stories of other things happening to other people, they are so far out and untrue that it has become clear to me that maybe the bovine excrement is rather deep.  The Internet hasn't brought forth any more information from any sources that I can find credible or maybe I have missed something.  I am going to venture a guess that the BS meter went off the scale on this one.  My humble opinion of course.  Did he reveal any UFO secrets?  Who knows?

[1Worldwatcher]

I have formulated an opinion (emphasis is opinion) that the original story I came across in the Internet Chronicle is a lot of bovine excrement.

Well, in my personal experience's, having an 'Opinion' is commendable. Point being that you/we or I's of the same nurtured thoughts aren't being led by wanna be leader's of such apparent heart wrenching topics as too have to 'Ice The Cake' too get the people to say "What an intellectual being this one is!!" LOL

So, your admittance with in your acknowledgement of 'Your Opinion' is dually noted and admired Spacemaverick.

There is a story on there also about HAARP composed of information we already know.  When you look at the stories of other things happening to other people, they are so far out and untrue that it has become clear to me that maybe the bovine excrement is rather deep.

Ah Yes, this is where personal 'Opinion's' must aspire to their own greatness and prowess with in deductive understanding. For instance, we can take an artists rendering of a never before seen craft, label it as a B-OP's prototype and let the sheeple create the monologue from there.

As for the "Bovine Excrement", well lets say that "Goulashes aren't Deep enough!!" LOL Have to get some chest-wader's that are above the chest with some of the hooey out there for sure.

The Internet hasn't brought forth any more information from any sources that I can find credible or maybe I have missed something.

That is the monster all on it's own Spacemaverick, and even more frustrating when one takes the time too find out after hours/days or weeks of research that is it nothing more than the BS as mentioned before,

But, at least with our 'Opinion's' and constitution with such fringe topic discussion's, we can proclaim "Vini, Vidi, Vici" for being of a higher conscientious individual.

I am going to venture a guess that the BS meter went off the scale on this one.  My humble opinion of course.  Did he reveal any UFO secrets?  Who knows?

Don't need Snowden too be where I am with the whole UFO Disclosure debacle, am totally aware that they exist, there by laying my reliance on self acknowledgement of such being nothing short of a fact of life, and those that need someone like Snowden to "Validate" such Proclamation's, well "Bovine Excrement"!! Ha ha ha

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