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[zorgon]

Now this is ODD

This out today making the rounds... had me confuddled for a bit


Marte Deborah Dalelv, Alleged Norwegian Rape Victim, Pardoned After Being Sentenced To Jail For Sex Outside Marriage
By BRIAN MURPHY 07/22/13

WTF???

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — With her passport back in hand, a Norwegian woman at the center of a Dubai rape claim dispute said Monday that officials dropped her 16-month sentence for having sex outside marriage in the latest clash between the city's Islamic-based legal codes and its international branding as a Western-friendly haven.

Dubai authorities hope the pardon of the 24-year-old woman will allow them to sidestep another potentially embarrassing blow to the city's heavily promoted image as a forward-looking model of luxury, excess and cross-cultural understanding.

"I am very, very happy," Marte Deborah Dalelv told The Associated Press after she was cleared by the order of Dubai's ruler. "I am overjoyed."

But the case points to wider issues embedded in the rapid rise of Gulf centers such as Dubai and Qatar's capital of Doha, host for the 2022 World Cup. These cities' cosmopolitan ambitions often find themselves at odds with the tug of traditional views on sex and alcohol.

Both alcohol consumption without a proper license and sex outside marriage are outlawed, but the rules are difficult to enforce and generally only become an issue if authorities are alerted. Most foreign residents and visitors coast through Dubai's tolerant lifestyle. Women in full Islamic coverings shop alongside others in miniskirts, and liquor flows at resorts and restaurants. Yet once authorities determine a legal line has been crossed, it's often difficult and bewildering for the suspects.

Nowhere in the region are the two sides more in potential conflict than Dubai, where the expatriate workforce outnumbers locals 5-to-1 and millions of tourists arrive each year with high-end fun on their minds.

Dalelv, in Dubai for a business meeting, said she told police in March that she was raped by a co-worker after a night that included cocktails. She was held in custody for four days and sentenced last week for illicit sex outside marriage and alcohol consumption.

The alleged attacker, identified as a 33-year-old Sudanese man, was charged with the same offenses and received a 13-month sentence. He also cleared by a pardon, according to Dalelv.

Rape prosecutions are complicated in the United Arab Emirates because – as in some other countries influenced by Islamic law – conviction requires either a confession or the testimony of adult male witnesses.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/marte-deborah-dalelv-pardoned-dubai_n_3633809.html


Looks like the same story? but one is Australian and one Norwegian? One pardoned the other not?

WTF is going on here?


{{{puts out otter bait }}}

[Somamech]

https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/index.aspx

[Somamech]

Aussie Passport Guidelines:

Camera operator guidelines

http://www.passports.gov.au/Web/Requirements/PhotographGuidelines.aspx

[zorgon]

Hmmmmm

[sky otter]

otter bait..ha ha

had to take a minute to go find it.. read it earlier





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/marte-deborah-dalelv-pardoned-dubai_n_3633809.html

Marte Deborah Dalelv, Alleged Norwegian Rape Victim, Pardoned After Being Sentenced To Jail For Sex Outside Marriage
By BRIAN MURPHY 07/22/13 04:40 PM ET EDT 

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — With her passport back in hand, a Norwegian woman at the center of a Dubai rape claim dispute said Monday that officials dropped her 16-month sentence for having sex outside marriage in the latest clash between the city's Islamic-based legal codes and its international branding as a Western-friendly haven.

Dubai authorities hope the pardon of the 24-year-old woman will allow them to sidestep another potentially embarrassing blow to the city's heavily promoted image as a forward-looking model of luxury, excess and cross-cultural understanding.

"I am very, very happy," Marte Deborah Dalelv told The Associated Press after she was cleared by the order of Dubai's ruler. "I am overjoyed."

But the case points to wider issues embedded in the rapid rise of Gulf centers such as Dubai and Qatar's capital of Doha, host for the 2022 World Cup. These cities' cosmopolitan ambitions often find themselves at odds with the tug of traditional views on sex and alcohol.

Both alcohol consumption without a proper license and sex outside marriage are outlawed, but the rules are difficult to enforce and generally only become an issue if authorities are alerted. Most foreign residents and visitors coast through Dubai's tolerant lifestyle. Women in full Islamic coverings shop alongside others in miniskirts, and liquor flows at resorts and restaurants. Yet once authorities determine a legal line has been crossed, it's often difficult and bewildering for the suspects.

Nowhere in the region are the two sides more in potential conflict than Dubai, where the expatriate workforce outnumbers locals 5-to-1 and millions of tourists arrive each year with high-end fun on their minds.

Dalelv, in Dubai for a business meeting, said she told police in March that she was raped by a co-worker after a night that included cocktails. She was held in custody for four days and sentenced last week for illicit sex outside marriage and alcohol consumption.

The alleged attacker, identified as a 33-year-old Sudanese man, was charged with the same offenses and received a 13-month sentence. He also cleared by a pardon, according to Dalelv.

Rape prosecutions are complicated in the United Arab Emirates because – as in some other countries influenced by Islamic law – conviction requires either a confession or the testimony of adult male witnesses.


In a twist that often shocks Western observers, allegations of rape can boomerang into illegal sex charges for the accuser. In 2008, an Australian woman said she was jailed for eight months after claiming she was gang-raped at a UAE hotel.

The fears of sex-outside-marriage charges also lead some single domestic workers in the UAE to abandon their babies or seek back-room abortions.

Other, less serious, cases have also shed light on the tensions in Dubai between cosmopolitan modernity and Muslim legal codes and tribal traditions. In 2009, a British couple was sentenced to one month each in prison after an Emirati woman claimed they engaged in an overly passionate kiss. Motorists have been convicted for a rude gesture in a moment of road rage.

"I have my passport back. I am pardoned," said Dalelv, who worked for an interior design firm in Qatar. "I am free."

There was no immediate word from Dubai officials, including whether the pardon was linked to traditions of clemency during the current Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

"I have my life back," added Dalelv. "This is a great day."

Her mother, Evelyn Dalelv, told the AP from Norway she is "incredibly happy" at the outcome, but thinks her daughter would consider returning to the Middle East after further study in interior design.

"Luckily, she is going back to study in Oslo in the autumn," she said.

A statement Saturday from Dalelv's Qatar-based employer, Al Mana Interiors, said she was dismissed from her job after she "ceased communications" with the company following the alleged rape. But Thomas Lundgren, owner of The ONE, the Dubai-based company that franchises Al Mana, was quoted Monday by Arabianbusiness.com as saying that the firing was "a mistake" and said she can return if she wants.

In Norway, Foreign Minister Espen Barth Eide posted a Twitter message: "Marte is released! Thanks to everyone who signed up to help."

Barth Eide told the Norwegian news agency NTB that international media attention and Norway's diplomatic measures helped Dalelv, who was free on appeal with her next court hearing scheduled for early September. Norway also reminded the United Arab Emirates of obligations under U.N. accords to seriously investigate claims of violence against women.

"The United Arab Emirates and Dubai is a rapidly changing society. This decision won't only affect Marte Dalelv, who can travel home now if she wishes to, but also serve as a wake-up call regarding the legal situation in many other countries," Barth Eide was quoted as saying.

Norway's Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg wrote on Twitter: "Happy that Marte has been pardoned and that she is a free woman again."

Dalelv said she planned to leave the UAE soon, but first wanted "to thank some very special people," including local groups that supported her. She had been staying at a Norwegian-linked aid center.

The AP does not identify the names of alleged sexual assault victims, but Dalelv went public voluntarily to talk to media.

In an interview with the AP last week, she recalled that she fled to the hotel lobby and asked for the police to be called after the alleged attack. The hotel staff asked if she was sure she wanted to involve the police, Dalelv said.

"Of course I want to call the police," she said. "That is the natural reaction where I am from."

Norway's foreign minister said he and other "very high level" Norwegian officials had been in daily contact with counterparts in the United Arab Emirates since the verdict against Dalelv.

"We have made very clear what we think about this verdict and what we think about the fact that one is charged and sentenced when one starts out by reporting alleged abuse," Barth Eide said.

In London, a rights group monitoring UAE affairs urged authorities to change laws to "ensure victims are protected, feel comfortable reporting crimes and are able to fairly pursue justice."

"While we are pleased that Marte can now return home to Norway, her pardon still suggests that she was somehow guilty of a crime," said Rori Donaghy, a spokesman for the Emirates Center for Human Rights. "Until laws are reformed, victims of sexual violence in the UAE will continue to suffer in this way and we will likely see more cases such as this one."

[zorgon]

So we have TWO cases and the women look remarkably alike... one case pardoned, the other not

Okay  I think my garden needs me

[sky otter]

THIS IS A RANT.........YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED



you are now stuck with my big fat loud opinion on this and other idiot men's stuff going on around the world right now
this particular occurance where the woman was raped and when she reported it SHE went to jail for sex outside of marriage.

WHAT !!!!!!!!

mostly the stupid repugs religious men trying to close the abortion clinics and saying women are inferior..and the continued raping of women (and boys) in countries all over  just because they want to...and then blame the victims

i am 64+ years in this particular meat suit and i hardly ever fight with folks anymore
but
i grew up being told that i couldn't do stuff because i was a girl..but my brother could do whatever he wanted cause he was a boy
my blood boiled and i did whatever i thought to prove that as the bullshit backwater thinking that men spout in their totally re-dick-u-less thinking

big grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i am sad that we seem to be going in reverse on the equality stuff...not just women/ men
but all the rest

ethnic..color..religion, etc..you know what i mean

until we can look at each other full in the eye and accept that differences are good and
opportunites for us to grow by knowing and accepting those who are not like us

untill we can get over that inferiority complex that we have to put someone else down to feel better

untill then we really are doomed

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi Sky,

i am 64+ years in this particular meat suit and i hardly ever fight with folks anymore
but
i grew up being told that i couldn't do stuff because i was a girl..but my brother could do whatever he wanted cause he was a boy
my blood boiled and i did whatever i thought to prove that as the bullpoop backwater thinking that men spout in their totally re-dick-u-less thinking

big grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i am sad that we seem to be going in reverse on the equality stuff...not just women/ men
but all the rest

ethnic..color..religion, etc..you know what i mean

until we can look at each other full in the eye and accept that differences are good and
opportunites for us to grow by knowing and accepting those who are not like us

untill we can get over that inferiority complex that we have to put someone else down to feel better

untill then we really are doomed

I go along with your thoughts...

The reason why this situation exists... (Discrimination) is because sadly few are able to understand
the difference between the "meat suit" (human Primate) and the real entity i.e. the LIFE entity.

A few of us, like yourself sky, are able to see the difference between the LIFE entity, and the "flesh"
we are experiencing, but most have fallen asleep, and no longer know, or even recognise the LIFE entity.   

I guess, it is time for all of us, to  wake up !

[Amaterasu]

True "We the people..." need to do like Egypt, Brazil and Turkey did... rise up as one force and just walk in and oust them.

As long as "We the people..." sit and whine and bitch about how bad things are NOTHING will change... "We the people..." have the power to change it but they would rather make excuses then actually DO something.

"We the people..." are lazy complacent and apathetic.  But they can sit in computer chairs and take on the world

Ah.  So You're getting the ball rolling?  Doing what?  Or...  Are You railing about how "lazy" and "complacent" We are sitting at the computer?

Point is, MANY want to do something but:

Many can't agree on what
Many can't see a solution at all
Many, MANY can't afford to leave Their jobs to go do something

So.  You are calling Us these labels, z.  Your solution and what are You doing to make it happen?

[Amaterasu]

Religion is not the problem, the problem is the human need of following something, be it religion, politics, sports or esoteric ideas, when mixed with other human need, the need of having an enemy, so they can have a target for their anger.

Huh?  A NEED for an ENEMY?  Geez.  That is LEARNED behavior.  That is behavior taught so that We can be manipulated into going to war so that the war profiteers can make $$$$$.

No One NEEDS an enemy.  *I* may have People out there very upset with My solution, but I would NOT call ANYONE My "enemy."

[sky otter]

hi Matrix

very sadly , i don't think  anyone is waking up anymore..all the digital electronics
are like white noise..putting even more to sleep

sending hugs

[burntheships]

The reason why this situation exists... (Discrimination) is because sadly few are able to understand
the difference between the "meat suit" (human Primate) and the real entity i.e. the LIFE entity.

A few of us, like yourself sky, are able to see the difference between the LIFE entity, and the "flesh"
we are experiencing, but most have fallen asleep, and no longer know, or even recognise the LIFE entity.   

I guess, it is time for all of us, to  wake up !

I agree with you Matrix, 100%. I would add that sadly,
many people can not figure out we are all in the meat suit
together. Yes, they may appear different, yet they are all just different meat suits.

[deuem]

Sky

until we can look at each other full in the eye and accept that differences are good and opportunites for us to grow by knowing and accepting those who are not like us

This ain't ever gonna happen! Everyone wants to rule everyone else. To the death if need be. We are all caught in the middle.

[zorgon]

Ah.  So You're getting the ball rolling?

Nope not me... I did my ball rolling many years ago. Legs are rotten so I will just sit back by my pool sipping a Planters Punch (or three ) and watch the sun set in the east...

Doing what?

Battling the tomato plants  seems they look like Fukushima Fallout hit em   

Point is, MANY want to do something but:

yes exactly  "but"

Many can't agree on what

Because most are sheep and need a good shepherd. Without a shepherd the sheep will do nothing.  It is alright to be a sheep   What we need is better shepherds

Many can't see a solution at all

Because for every ten thousand people attempting to wake up the people on the social media site, there are twenty thousand solutions.  Like it or not the reality is that people NEED a leader to get motivated...

I like my crown, but to old to take on the world Do you have ANY idea what that old adage "The Crown wears heavy on his brow!" REALLY means?  Its dang heavy and leaves a dent and try it in 117F temps in the sun

Many, MANY can't afford to leave Their jobs to go do something

Over 47% are UNEMPLOYED in the USA  Only 20% fought in the Revolution against Britain

So.  You are calling Us these labels, z. 

Old saying  "If the shoe fits"

Me? Gonna sell more junk and get rich Then I can create some jobs like hire a pool boy

[zorgon]

ethnic..color..religion, etc..you know what i mean