Exclusive: 4 in 5 in US face near-poverty, no work

[ArMaP]

One "pie" that everyOne puts Their energy as They can into creating; It requires Human energy input, winds up with money of some kind, with privilege going to the Ones who are running things.

Who said anything about money?   I was talking about what I usually call "natural" communism.

Also, what's wrong in people doing things that can be used by anyone else? It's something that can be done now, instead of waiting for things like free energy and perfect robots.

[robomont]

i believe we are living in a communist solcialist country that claims to be a democracy.the mob takes from the rich and rich take from the mob.

[Elvis Hendrix]

i believe we are living in a communist solcialist country that claims to be a democracy.the mob takes from the rich and rich take from the mob.

I think terms like socialist or communist are redundant today.
They have meant different things to different generations depending on where in the world you are at the time.

If you are going to attach a moniker to modern day america the term to me would be more like fascist.

Elvis.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Also I think we all know by now the word democracy is a joke.
The only time that word would be of any real relevance to the people of the world, would be if there was a form of proportional representation in place. I.e one person one vote.
Of course that would NEVER happen, and thats how you know the whole system is not and never has been about "the people".

Imagine governments giving people some actual say in their own lives.

So i wouldnt even go for the term fascist actually.

I think Orwell and Huxley were right back in the day, when they bandied around the word "totalitarian".

That is a more fitting moniker.

Elvis.

[Amaterasu]

Who said anything about money?   I was talking about what I usually call "natural" communism.

Well then.  Explain what that is...

Also, what's wrong in people doing things that can be used by anyone else? It's something that can be done now, instead of waiting for things like free energy and perfect robots.

Huh?  Who said there was anything wrong with People doing things that can be used by Others?  Surely We can do such things now - IF We can AFFORD to.  And THAT's the rub.  Most CAN'T.

[Amaterasu]

i believe we are living in a communist solcialist country that claims to be a democracy.the mob takes from the rich and rich take from the mob.

Communism and socialism (and capitalism) are economic models.  Democracy is a political model.

Therefore, One can have democratic communism, democratic socialism, democratic capitalism.

Abundancism makes all, who WANT to be, RICH.

[Amaterasu]

Also I think we all know by now the word democracy is a joke.
The only time that word would be of any real relevance to the people of the world, would be if there was a form of proportional representation in place. I.e one person one vote.
Of course that would NEVER happen, and thats how you know the whole system is not and never has been about "the people".

Imagine governments giving people some actual say in their own lives.

So i wouldnt even go for the term fascist actually.

I think Orwell and Huxley were right back in the day, when they bandied around the word "totalitarian".

That is a more fitting moniker.

Elvis.

Have You read My piece, Stigmergic Governance Via the Web?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

[Elvis Hendrix]

Have You read My piece, Stigmergic Governance Via the Web?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

I hav'nt mate but i will.
cheers.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Have You read My piece, Stigmergic Governance Via the Web?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

Very imaginative piece my friend. It truly would take a sea change in social culture for it to work, but I like the premise.

One thing is certain, the current system  has evolved into redundancy
and needs throwing out.. So we need wild ideas. The more the merrier.

I tell you what, your idea would make a great movie

Thanks for the heads up.
Elvis.

[Amaterasu]

Very imaginative piece my friend. It truly would take a sea change in social culture for it to work, but I like the premise.

One thing is certain, the current system  has evolved into redundancy
and needs throwing out.. So we need wild ideas. The more the merrier.

I tell you what, your idea would make a great movie

Thanks for the heads up.
Elvis.

One problem with the systems We have today is that there is no review of past "laws" and elimination of them if they are not working, or no working well.  We wind up with millions of "laws" on the books, many conflicting with others.

I like abundance, because there are three Laws.  That's it.  Most "laws" (actually statutes, codes, regulations, etc.) are in place because at one time or another there was a COMMERCIAL reason for them.  With commerce gone, most "laws" become moot.  The "laws" that remain are some form of the three Laws, and as such, also become moot.

[Sinny]

i believe we are living in a communist solcialist country that claims to be a democracy.the mob takes from the rich and rich take from the mob.

Agreed. The two beast's we are currently dealing with are Corporate and Governmential Socialism. If I had to guess, I'd be inclined to say the Corporates are 'winning' - and the only contender in the Government is obviously the blood sucking leech of the Military Idustrial Complex.

On a side note - I sis post my meterial on these two aspects of Socialism on this site didn't I? I was looking for that particular post last night and couldn't find it

Socialism in an ideal world, would be the ideal solution - although maybe I'd agree and name it the 'Abundance' program.

Everything shared equally and auditted by the public for the public... Obviously that's not going to happen whilst I can walk unaided lol.

On a side note - I was just informed in a staff meeting in no uncertain terms, we strive for results, not striving to support our 'clients' (UK Work Programme).. This sort of shizzle makes my blood boil, but what am I supposed to do? Quit and become one of the job seekers I administrate? Aha.

We're all being eaten alive by these systems.
If I ever meet my higher self (That's probably not even tangible) - I'd slap my self for placing me in a human body here on Earth!

I don't know what's happening to me lately - I can be a cold hearted biatch in most instances, however, I've recently started crying at every revolutionary picture I see posted on the internet.

Blehhhhh.

[Amaterasu]

May I point out that the military industrial complex is profit-driven and that this accounts for Them infiltrating, propagandizing, fear promoting, and inciting war.

So is the prison industrial complex.  So is Big [Pharma, Oil, Insurance, Banking, Medicine, "News," etc.].

If We were to remove profit motive (and power over Others), war, drive to imprison, "treatments" that require more "treatments," forced reliance on oil, any need for insurance (or defrauding it), banks, "healing" for profit, lies, etc. will be DRASTICALLY reduced or eliminated.

Cures would become available; doctors would be doctors because They CARE...

And it IS possible to eliminate the need for money which allows profit and power over Others, as well as allowing the psychopaths to rise to the top of the money/power heap.

[Amaterasu]

Socialism in an ideal world, would be the ideal solution - although maybe I'd agree and name it the 'Abundance' program.

Everything shared equally and auditted by the public for the public... Obviously that's not going to happen whilst I can walk unaided lol.

If We are ensuring everyone gets an "equal" share, it is NOT abundance; it is communism.  There is enough on this planet for 10 times the number presently here.  WHY do We need accounting at ALL?  Everything AVAILABLE equally; One may have as much as One wants.  Most are satisfied when comfortable.

[petrus4]

i believe we are living in a communist solcialist country that claims to be a democracy.the mob takes from the rich and rich take from the mob.

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
    Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
    All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
    Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
    Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
    If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
    If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
    The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
    If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
    A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
    40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
    25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
    Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

-- From here, although that is also a repost.

America can be considered socialist only in the narrow sense that certain corporations were protected from failure by the government; but the truth is, that genuinely socialist systems do not merely economically protect any single demographic of the population, but anyone who needs it.  Try looking up some information about Chavez in Venezuela, as another example.

America, to describe it most specifically, is currently a corporate aristocracy, or what is sometimes referred to as a corporate oligarchy.  You have a few corporations such as Halliburton, Goldman Sachs, and the Federal Reserve, and they in reality run the country.  They control who inhabits the executive branch, and they bribe the legislative branch in order to ensure that the laws they want are passed.

Americans have been brainwashed to believe that Randian Capitalism is synonymous with freedom.  The reality is, however, that while we can define freedom as the ability to follow your own nature, as you would if not interfered with by a third party, Nature itself imposes certain restrictions.  By this I mean the need for food, water, heat, shelter, and oxygen; and those needs are generally more effectively met if they are done so in a group, rather than alone.

Something else which Americans need to begin to realise, is that the people at the top of the Capitalistic food chain, do not themselves believe in individuality to the degree that they want you to think.  Why do you think they form cartels, or go to their Bilderberg meetings, or other such things?  All of that involves them collaborating, making alliances, and working together for mutual benefit.

Individualism is an important thing to maintain, as far as critical thinking, creativity, and being able to reason for yourself, independently of the prevailing groupthink is concerned.  Yet when it comes to logistical management, or obtaining the things you need for biological survival, an excessive obsession with individuality, or being alone, can be lethal.  Despite what you have been told, "financial independence," does not in fact exist, because the only way in which it is possible to make money at all, is via transactions with other people.

[Elvis Hendrix]

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
    Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
    All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
    Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
    Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
    If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
    If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
    The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
    If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
    A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
    40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
    25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
    Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

-- From here, although that is also a repost.

America can be considered socialist only in the narrow sense that certain corporations were protected from failure by the government; but the truth is, that genuinely socialist systems do not merely economically protect any single demographic of the population, but anyone who needs it.  Try looking up some information about Chavez in Venezuela, as another example.

America, to describe it most specifically, is currently a corporate aristocracy, or what is sometimes referred to as a corporate oligarchy.  You have a few corporations such as Halliburton, Goldman Sachs, and the Federal Reserve, and they in reality run the country.  They control who inhabits the executive branch, and they bribe the legislative branch in order to ensure that the laws they want are passed.

Americans have been brainwashed to believe that Randian Capitalism is synonymous with freedom.  The reality is, however, that while we can define freedom as the ability to follow your own nature, as you would if not interfered with by a third party, Nature itself imposes certain restrictions.  By this I mean the need for food, water, heat, shelter, and oxygen; and those needs are generally more effectively met if they are done so in a group, rather than alone.

Something else which Americans need to begin to realise, is that the people at the top of the Capitalistic food chain, do not themselves believe in individuality to the degree that they want you to think.  Why do you think they form cartels, or go to their Bilderberg meetings, or other such things?  All of that involves them collaborating, making alliances, and working together for mutual benefit.

Individualism is an important thing to maintain, as far as critical thinking, creativity, and being able to reason for yourself, independently of the prevailing groupthink is concerned.  Yet when it comes to logistical management, or obtaining the things you need for biological survival, an excessive obsession with individuality, or being alone, can be lethal.  Despite what you have been told, "financial independence," does not in fact exist, because the only way in which it is possible to make money at all, is via transactions with other people.

Il give that a bit of gold I think.