Bradley Manning Sentenced to 35 Years!!

[Sinny]

http://rt.com/usa/manning-sentence-years-jail-785/

A US military judge has sentenced Army Pfc. Bradley Manning to 35 years in prison. Manning faced up to 90 years behind bars, while prosecutors sought to put the whistleblower away for a minimum of six decades.

I could fill this entire thread with words of disgust.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted they didn't line him up and shoot him!

Rock

[robomont]

thats where we disagree sarge.i think he should get the congressional medal of honor.if i was prez.he would be head of nsa.

i expect revenge on the net soon.either crashes or secrets to be released or both.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted they didn't line him up and shoot him!

Rock

That's a bit strong.

[Elvis Hendrix]

So Sarge do you differentiate between your disclosure choices?
It's ok to spill the beans about the moon but not about other truths?
Just askin

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

That's a bit strong.

Not really.
He took an oath, he signed his name, he wore the uniform. The U.S. is bascially fighting a war. Soldiers are in harm's way. He said he was sorry for hurting the United States, so he knew he was breaking his oath and the law. He revealed thousands of war logs, detailing tactics and names.

I took an oath, I signed my name, I wore the uniform. I did not betray my country or fellow soldiers. It's been more than 10 years and my oath no longer applies. I don't know of any classified info that I have revealed. Only what anyone can see. Also in the public domain. There's no comparrison.


Rock.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Not really.
He took an oath, he signed his name, he wore the uniform. The U.S. is bascially fighting a war. Soldiers are in harm's way. He said he was sorry for hurting the United States, so he knew he was breaking his oath and the law. He revealed thousands of war logs, detailing tactics and names.

I took an oath, I signed my name, I wore the uniform. I did not betray my country or fellow soldiers. It's been more than 10 years and my oath no longer applies. I don't know of any classified info that I have revealed. Only what anyone can see. Also in the public domain. There's no comparrison.


Rock.

I see where you are coming from.
But I feel sorry for the lads on the ground, and I feel sorry for the people they are fighting and all the civilians getting killed in these sorry fecking wars.
So maybe manning was trying to get some truth out, so those young lads would know what was actually happening,and be able to make a choice before they ever joined up. Information gives choices.

[robomont]

as soon as i saw sarges post i knew his opinion.me and him discussed this awhile back.hi ya sarge.
he brings a good point but i have to ask.he swore to the constitution and saw we were in an illegal war.he notified the public which is his duty.it was the only option in this corrupt government.all other options would have brought reprisal.after three years of solitary i could make obama walk and quack like a duck.the boys mind is gone and his testimony is worthless.he is mentally dead now.nothing short of hero patriot status could ever bring that loyal americans heart back.
to him i say im very sorry our country betrayed you.

[petrus4]

I actually see this as an incremental victory, to be honest.  When you're designing something, you never expect the throughput of your initial prototype to be perfect.  The idea is to get something that works at all, first; and from there, you fine tune and figure out how to apply incremental improvements, which will get performance up to where you want it.

Look at your own quote, Sinny.  They initially thought they were going to be able to get him for 90 years, and the prosecution were going for at least 60.  So the final sentence is just over a third of the initial estimate, and just over half of what the prosecution were aiming for.  He's also being offered the reduction of a further 10% (3.5 years) for good behaviour.

In other words, this is not the point at which to be giving up.  There has obviously been progress made, which we can see by the reductions in the initial projection which have already been achieved, but we need to continue to find additional legal options.  Apparently the main goal being sought at the moment is a Presidential pardon, but I'm not sure how much likelihood there is of that eventuating.

I don't know much about the law, but the angle I would be looking at, is which particular crimes Manning exposed as a result of the information leaked.  They should try and demonstrate that as a result of said crimes, Manning had real cause to release the information he did, as a means of bringing attention to it.  Unfortunately, some of Manning's own recent statements have not helped his cause, in that regard; if he himself gives up, it will limit the degree to which anyone else can help him.

[Sinny]

So Sarge do you differentiate between your disclosure choices?
It's ok to spill the beans about the moon but not about other truths?
Just askin

Gold for that!

I take it 'Sarge' is a military mindwash.

Meant with as little offence as possible.

[Sinny]

And as has been pointed out - it was/is an illegal war anyway.

Weapons of mass destruction were supposed to have been able to kill us all in 45 minutes... LMAFO!

[Elvis Hendrix]

And as has been pointed out - it was/is an illegal war anyway.

Weapons of mass destruction were supposed to have been able to kill us all in 45 minutes... LMAFO!

Yea WMDs , the lying bastards. Scuse my French.

[ArMaP]

I took an oath, I signed my name, I wore the uniform.

What did the oath say? Just curious.

[Amaterasu]

This sentence is all part of the psyop.  They WANT Us to be divided, angry, ready to revolt.

Divided, They conquer; revolting We feed an excuse to implement de facto martial law.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I see where you are coming from.
But I feel sorry for the lads on the ground, and I feel sorry for the people they are fighting and all the civilians getting killed in these sorry fecking wars.
So maybe manning was trying to get some truth out, so those young lads would know what was actually happening,and be able to make a choice before they ever joined up. Information gives choices.

I don't necessarly disagree with that but there are ways to do this without hurting the ones you supposedly are trying to protect.

@Robo..hey  "as soon as i saw sarges post i knew his opinion.me and him discussed this awhile back.hi ya sarge.
he brings a good point but i have to ask.he swore to the constitution and saw we were in an illegal war.he notified the public which is his duty.it was the only option in this corrupt government.all other options would have brought reprisal.after three years of solitary i could make obama walk and quack like a duck.the boys mind is gone and his testimony is worthless.he is mentally dead now.nothing short of hero patriot status could ever bring that loyal americans heart back.
to him i say im very sorry our country betrayed you."

Illegal war? Don't think so.
and I don't think our country betrayed him at all, visa versa I say.

Look, When Bush turned his sights on Saddam and Iraq after 9/11, I just thought it was wrong. Gallons and gallons of Iraqi blood/oil is not worth one drop of an American's blood. I had a son in the service at the time and I was worried to death about him. Bin Laden sure. Taliban sure. But Iraq? No way....

BUT, as soon as the first American put his boot on the ground everything changes.

Do I want the wars to be over? Hell Yeah. There's no better pacifist than a soldier. But you do your duty!

Sorry to rant...I respect everyone's opinion even some I disagree with.

As John says, "try and live your live without hate, envy or greed" and you'll be ok.
Peace
Rock

PS. I'm not going to go tit-for-tat on this cause it serves no purpose.
but, 'Military Mindwash'? what the hell is that?

I believe in duty, honor, country.

My WORD means everything to me. My HONOR means everything to me. My NAME that I signed, 'AGREEING' means everything.
John Turner Fountain
Peace again
Rock...