The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[deuem]

Karl, Thanks for reminding me of one of my favourite interviews.  I just love the way Creighton is pretending he has just been looking through his library in scholarly fashion.  In case any members haven't seen it Gordon pretty much goes over a lot of relevant material.

Gordon used to be the editor of an important early UFO periodical called "The Flying Saucer Review" and translated a lot of foreign reports to English (I think he was a British intelligence translator on the side ).  If you are genuinely interested in this topic please spend ten minutes watching this. Here:



Anyone who doesn't love guys like Gordon have something missing.

Hynek echoes one of my points in that article too.  When referring to the sheer volume of UFO reports:http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XXVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2REEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791,2618836

It looks like I'm in good company when I say that the sightings are too common for a simple, "it must be extraterrestrials," explanation.

Very relevant contribution Karl, as always. 

Hey I was able to watch this vid and I would think he is a gold mind of information. Hr knows a lot more than he said. That seems for sure.

[petrus4]

Ultimately the simplest explanation is the one to look at first.  That explanation is they are from here and are adapted to here and familiar with us and the environment BECAUSE THEY BELONG HERE.

I agree with this.

Finally, if you think they are ET:  What evidence do you have to back up the claim?  Where are all the UFOs in space that aren't obviously plasma based life forms?

My own experience does not lead me to believe in corporeal extraterrestrials, personally.  Generally speaking, when someone else says aliens now, I think spirits.  Again, this is not only due to my own experiences, but I think it also helps to explain how it is that they can potentially still exist, while simultaneously not leaving physical evidence; it's because they aren't primarily physical.

Bashar and a number of other channelled sources, are consistent on presenting a scenario of linear evolution, which progresses from solidly corporeal, (first to third density) to partially acorporeal, (fourth density) to completely acorporeal.  (Fifth to seventh densities)

We are currently within third density, on the threshold point of transitioning into fourth.  The implication further is, that the extraterrestrials visiting us, generally speaking are not from any density lower than fourth.  4D beings do not exist in complete physicality, and even what they think of as baseline is not visible to us, within our normal (beta brainwave) perceptual state.

This is also how I'm able to integrate my drug experiences into my overall belief system, as well.  It all fits together.  Basically, psychedelics allow people to perceive 4D, and to a lesser extent 5D.  This is also why, as well as some just random "stuff," people tripping occasionally do see consistent, or reproducible places or things.  It's because some of what they are seeing, actually has persistent or objective existence somewhere; it's not purely just "in their heads."

[Anthra]

While there is a great deal of misdirection on-going in the ET world, it should be considered that much of this is in face misdirection. And that should extend to the Extra-dimensionals.

The whole idea of extra-dimensional being to me is, for the most part, viewed as ludicrous. When One begins to understand the dynamics of what is required for FTL, One begins to understand that normal 4 dimensional space no longer works, and we have to go searching for a new "space model". Such as "Heim Space" with its 8 dimensions that allow us to do things we could not otherwise do. Such as FTL, without ever exceeding the speed of light. Once this is understood on a "base level" it becomes east to understand where all the other BS comes from; the describing of these effects and processes in a manner consistent with relativistic physics, provides reading not unlike science fiction, and it becomes real fiction simply because these effects and processes cannot exist in relativistic space/physics.

Although, all that being said; there are other ways, I think, we can begin to verify the existence of local Extraterrestrials. Street myth, as I call it, the baseline "stories" that are told and retold about ET, and where he is from. If we pay attention we can start to see something that I think is a bit remarkable.

Most of our pantheon of extraterrestrial actually have real worlds to "be from". By that I mean that the stars that are supposed to support their civilization are actually real stars with the appropriate properties to support life as it is known on Earth, complete with the level of technology purported.

Take the Grays from Zeta Reticuli: their home star is a "G2" about 3 billion years old. Not unlike Sol; Sol is a "G2" 4.7 billion years old. The two systems are very much alike. All of the others, with a few exceptions are like this. Oh, one of the best parts; the Betty Hill star map...With the exception of a couple of stars...highly accurate...that's a total of 13 stars, that manage to be the right class, luminosity, and age to support "Human like" inhabitants with a technology like or exceeding Earth.



When this video opens you will see my "Drake like equation", I think this is important to understanding the "ETH".

You will also notice that there are a few species of ET, that quite simply can not exist...yet. I guess nobody ever said that "myth" was all true   Though there are those who will argue for the existence of "Vegans" (people from the star Vega", or arcturans...

[stealthyaroura]

Ahh ANTHRA gold for when you pop in and post 

The thing is now we actually have people like Michael Aquino (major?)
and col John Alexander actually writing books that imply YES "we have basically been drugging folk/using electromagnetic fields/secret technology/dressing up as grays and abducting members of the public as far back as the Betty and barny hill case ( May be fact ) in the guise of aliens  for some government agenda to keep you guessing at the truth"
Well pretty much the above if you read between the lines IMO

Even if they do both contradict each other they defiantly have a hand In muddying the waters.
Not that I don't believe in the ETH. It's just very very complicated.

[Anthra]

I'm not at all surprised that there are type like Mr. Aquino contributing to the basic lie. As I was doing my research for this paper (you can see the whole "paper" at http://alien.wolfmagick.com/documents/extraterrestrials.aspx It is a bit more in depth.) I began to discover that much of what we have "learned" about the four groups is mostly a big lie. Though, I do have to confess, it took me a while to "get" the idea that yall were being lied to. It seems that what Terrestrials "know" about ET, very much "contradicts" what I have learned, And, what I have learned seems "more logical". This paper, by the way, has become an "overview" and there will be at least 4, perhaps 5 more installments. The next is the Reticuli Grays.

All this does seem to support my "general theory", in that most of this "ET Lore" seems to support my theory of colonization attempt, failure, survivors going underground, and running Earth from the safety of their lair. People like Aquino can only support this idea, with the kinds of actions they display.

Yep the whole "mess" is quite complicated...by design.

[stealthyaroura]

Oh WOW I love the look of your site.
Why has it never been linked? Or has it?
I am going to spend some time in there anthra.
Very cool

[Pimander]

Anthra, could you summarise in a couple of paragraphs what the key credible evidence is that "The Greys" or "Zeta Reticulans" are ETs.  I know channellers have said they are from there.  Other than that, what is the key evidence?

And by the way, if I say I'm from Timbuktu but that is not credible evidence that I am.  I could be lying obviously.

[stealthyaroura]

Pimander, I too have lost faith in the whole ET topic, I now more than ever view it for entertainment purpose. Sigh....anthra I like the topic I really do I always will but the evidence? Not a hit back at yourself! as I'm interested but all the BS artists! I'm sick of them.
How can anyone openly say there are such and such number/type of alien even visiting earth let alone inhabiting it.
The hard facts are lacking. But we do know there has been a massive infiltration by a group of earthly folk who have steered the whole UFO/ET topic and used it to great effect.
To do what? A number of things but least likely is one of them hiding the fact that aliens are with us and communicating through mass contact.
Like I say I don't rule ET out I just see the misdirection at play.

Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? But there are far too many GREERS and SNYDERS and POPE's out there milking the topic like the cash cow it is ( mutilation?? Aliens?? NO, again humans ) simple tests for CYD mad cow disease or radiation monitoring. Logic 1st.

[Pimander]

Like I say I don't rule ET out I just see the misdirection at play.

I don't rule it out either.  I just have serious doubts about the evidence - or lack of it.  I want some evidence to get my teeth into rather that the erroneous idea that a contact with what seems to be intelligence is automatically likely ET or that a craft that isn't human must be ET.  We don't know that in my opinion no matter how likely it is that ET has physically visited Earth.

If ET has visited, I seriously doubt it is hundreds of times a day every day for 50 years and likely more.  If it is not that often, then what is taken as evidence is evidence of something else.

Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? But there are far too many GREERS and SNYDERS and POPE's out there milking the topic like the cash cow it is ( mutilation?? Aliens?? NO, again humans ) simple tests for CYD mad cow disease or radiation monitoring. Logic 1st.

That's part of the problem.  On the one hand you have people making a nice living out of the idiots, on the other you have the idiots making the good researchers run a mile.  There is a body of evidence that needs looking at but not by idiots or by greedy bastards.

And who are the biggest idiots?  The ones who listen to other idiots and greedy bastards but ignore intelligent and considered research because at the end of the day the what that research shows does not fit in with their world view.  Sad but true.

[Anthra]

Anthra, could you summarise in a couple of paragraphs what the key credible evidence is that "The Greys" or "Zeta Reticulans" are ETs.  I know channellers have said they are from there.  Other than that, what is the key evidence?

And by the way, if I say I'm from Timbuktu but that is not credible evidence that I am.  I could be lying obviously.

Sure: Betty and Barney Hill. More specifically their "map".

Their map consisted of 13 stars and Sol, at least the "named ones". I built a 3D model of the "system", wanted to "see" for myself. With the exception of 2 -4 or so misplaced stars, the published "diagrams" are accurate...when Zeta Reticuli IS NOT viewed from Earth. I haven't calculated the position of the camera yet, but it is going to me many light years out.

That combined with the fact the Zeta Reticuli 2 is a class "G2" star, approximately 3 billion years old, add in common myth and you have a rather high probability that the "Short Grays" are from Zeta Reticuli.

By the way; if you say you are from Timbuktu, that data is sufficiently credible for use until better data is acquired...at least if you "look" like you might be from Timbuktu. In the case of the Short Grays; their "skin color" seems to not be too different than Cetaceous life forms here on earth.

[petrus4]

While I apologise if this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, I want to say that I really am very glad that you ended up joining us here at Pegasus, Anthra.  I found my brief exposure to one of your threads on ATS fascinating, and wished for some time that we had been able to have much more elaborate contact.

[Anthra]

Well Garsh, I'm not sure what ta say 
Ats was an educational experience, to say the least, but ultimately I think it was god. Even if I never got to properly discuss the stuff I "spout". Anyway, thanks! any time yall want to discuss any of that stuff, I'm very willing, as long as it remains civil (I had to say that, but I don't see any civility issues here)

Sorry Zorgon, this have been quite off topic; sometime ya just gotta go with what ya got, and this sort of made me "feel good" this morning 

[rose]

what that research shows does not fit in with their world view.

Pim,

I think, in order to gain understanding of what's going on behind the scenes and (sometimes) in front of our eyes, we all have to do some worldview shifting.  No matter what the reason for all the (ridiculous) ET disinformation, the truth is that people's experiences with Weird pop up all over the 'reality map" and make meaningful research quite difficult.

To me, the reality seems to be that other realities co-exist with ours and sometimes they leak over into our sight.  We assign some classification to that observation and focus on researching it to the exclusion of all the other wierdness events , simply because we can't imagine a worldview large enough to make them all possible. The reported events certainly aren't rational, nor even significant. What meaning has a ball bearing appearing in midair between two people or a teleporting cat? I don't know we might even begin to slice and dice such randomness.

rose

[stealthyaroura]

Anthra your obviously very passionate about the subject matter and the work you have done is impressive.
I guess it comes down to our own willingness to look at every possibility there is even if it does not fit with our version of " truth " The whole high strangeness topic is one that I enjoy immersing myself in from time to time so any work presented to me I will have a look see.

I have to say I love your commitment, I look forward to getting through your material after all if your investigating this topic like I have been for ever you have to have all the angles coverd ( even the whacky stuff LOL )
As for bad vibes? NOT IN THIS FORUM BUDDY that's why we love it here.
The passion the debate the info it's all good

[Sinny]

I have never found any of his work that will pass any Deuem test. He has his world, I have mine.

Bit late in catching up with this one - however this is a perfect hypothesis for this thread.

His material items of evidence were and are worthless - complete mis-direction.

However, the truth lie's within the WORD produced. Truth emanates from those extensively persevering, detailed contact notes.

These two statements above I whole heatedly believe to be true.

One must then ask - why the glaring and OPEN contradiction?

(by open I mean purposely  )