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[zorgon]

I see the same occuring now in regards to musicians who made the switch to creating tool's to make music with in software rather than making music.   

Quite true...  another Robot/Machine taking over creativity.

My daughter ran into this at Art College.  She is going into gaming, the design part ($50,000 a year start)

What happened there was kids were failing classes. They were mad... why?  Because they assumed that they could skate by because they were good at computer graphics and were shocked to learn that they had to have REAL art skills to make the grade

[Amaterasu]

I have been in many caves and mine shafts...  just a hard hat, hiking boots and a lantern. Doesn't cost much for those and some rope

That's it, z.  Sidestep the point.  [grin]

If One lives in the city and needs a vehicle, gas, time away from slavery, and has none of that...it's tough to go spelunking when One has the desire.

Because people, by nature, will not tell you the truth. The internet is filled with people that are living proof of this... they can be whatever they want on the internet, never needing to go outside to face reality.

OR... They learned to be distrustful and hide things, just in case.  I know most People tend to be OVERLY honest, overall.

If we had a Holodeck like they do on Star Trek... people would be addicted to their fantasies and NEVER come out

And that's a problem because...?

This in not my opinion... it is easily documented today in the world we live in

Yeah?  Where are all People free to do what They love to do and it turns out to be watching TV all day?

[zorgon]

If One lives in the city and needs a vehicle, gas, time away from slavery, and has none of that...it's tough to go spelunking when One has the desire.

Then one joins a CLUB and gets a ride and loaner beginner equipment. It is unwise to attempt it on your own anyway

There are MANY people who would love to go to a week long Medieval War but cannot afford it.  But they can call someone who IS going and trade labor for a free ride.  This is done all the time

The POINT is that where there is a WILL there is a WAY... and no money needed

As to Cities... if you live in New York you can explore the huge caverns beneath the city Entrance is via one of the old subway stations

OR... They learned to be distrustful and hide things, just in case.  I know most People tend to be OVERLY honest, overall.

You don't get out much huh?     Yet everyday we see posts by millions proving that people lie and pass on false info all the time and think nothing of it, and that is not counting the government, the military, the lawyers, the news media....

Humans exaggerate, they tell stories, they LIE... it is the Nature of the Beast

Yeah?  Where are all People free to do what They love to do and it turns out to be watching TV all day?

American Idol... Soap Operas... Football games...  Just view statistics of how many viewers they have  for starters

[zorgon]

That's it, z.  Sidestep the point.  [grin]

[Amaterasu]

Then one joins a CLUB ...

The POINT is that where there is a WILL there is a WAY... and no money needed

Yeah, I should have focused on the point.  [sigh]  Maybe the dream is to get the education needed to go on archaeological digs but You're inner city educated, malnourished, and can't afford Jr. college, let alone a university, nor get a scholarship because You were too busy trying to survive to really focus on what little crap They were teaching, and so did not get really good grades.

So...  You're there, and You are pumping energy into offering People if They want fries with that which affords You barely enough to keep a room You rent.  You can afford TV, but a Harvard education?  Yeah...

If merely having the will was enough in this system, there would be MANY successes and few failures.

You don't get out much huh?     Yet everyday we see posts by millions proving that people lie and pass on false info all the time and think nothing of it, and that is not counting the government, the military, the lawyers, the news media....

Can You supply an example?

Humans exaggerate, they tell stories, they LIE... it is the Nature of the Beast

I don't.  I might suppose there are Others like Me...  Percentage unknown, but in general pop, I would guess that on issues that matter, few but the psychopaths at the top of the power heap do that.  Maybe They do when recounting the size of the fish They caught.

American Idol... Soap Operas... Football games...  Just view statistics of how many viewers they have  for starters

Then view poverty statistics and demographic statistics and I bet You find a correlation in there somewhere.

[zorgon]

If merely having the will was enough in this system, there would be MANY successes and few failures.

Can You supply an example?

This fellow.... his will created THIS



Sure... granted will alone is not enough. but you don't know till you try

College?  Money or not ... not everyone has the ability to become a Brain Surgeon

[zorgon]

Where there is a WILL there is a WAY....




Somewhere in Romania... a Motor Home



The DOERS can usually surprise the heck out of you


Meanwhile... to answer your question...

Couch potatoes: 70 million Americans are 'inactive

Bad news on the fitness front: Nearly 70 million Americans are classified as inactive, according to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association's (SGMA) 2012 Sports, Fitness & Recreational Activities report. The number of inactive couch potatoes has risen every year since 2007, warns SGMA.

Have another Donut

Sedentary lifestyle

A sedentary lifestyle is a type of lifestyle with no or irregular physical activity. A person who lives a sedentary lifestyle may colloquially be known as a couch potato. It is commonly found in both the developed and developing world. Sedentary activities include sitting, reading, watching television, playing video games, and computer use for much of the day with little or no vigorous physical exercise. A sedentary lifestyle can contribute to many preventable causes of death. Screen time is the amount of time a person spends watching a screen such as a television, computer monitor, or mobile device. Excessive screen time is linked to negative health consequences

In the 2008 United States American National Health Interview Survey (NHIS) 36% of adults were considered inactive. 59% of adult respondents never participated in vigorous physical activity lasting more than 10 minutes per week.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedentary_lifestyle


Lack of Exercise as Deadly as Smoking, Study Finds

When it comes to being couch potatoes, Americans aren't alone. Physical inactivity has become a global pandemic, say researchers in a series of related papers  published in the journal Lancet. According to one of the reports, lack of exercise causes as many as 1 in 10 premature deaths around the world each year — roughly as many as smoking.

One key reason is that we rely too much on modern conveniences like cars to get around. In the U.S., for example, fewer than 4% of people walk to work and fewer than 2% bike to commute; compare that to about 20% of people who walk to work in China, Germany and Sweden, and the more than 20% who bike their commutes in China, Denmark and the Netherlands, WebMD reports. Add to that the inordinate time most of us spend sitting — at the office, in front of the computer or watching TV.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/18/lack-of-exercise-as-deadly-as-smoking-study-finds/

So when things get free and robots do everything, people will even more become COUCH POTATOS

[zorgon]

Lazy Americans...

Here is a good one...

This person has a well paid, easy government job with all the perks of medical coverage and vacation time....

[Amaterasu]

This fellow.... his will created THIS

z, You really should answer in context.  [smile]  *I* wanted an example of "everyday we see posts by millions proving that people lie and pass on false info all the time and think nothing of it."

I don't think He is that example.  Also, I'm not sure what You THOUGHT You were answering here, but I KNOW People are clever and industrious.

Sure... granted will alone is not enough. but you don't know till you try

Oh, I have been trying - 75,000+ applications in the last 9 years.  Hundreds of interviews.  I see the cute young things that get hired.

College?  Money or not ... not everyone has the ability to become a Brain Surgeon

And that is pointed out because...? 

[zorgon]

Oh, I have been trying - 75,000+ applications in the last 9 years.  Hundreds of interviews.  I see the cute young things that get hired.

Yes cute young things are more in demand in some fields

But why you no tried the internet selling plan?

You have free time... you have computer skills...  you live in an area where you can find lots of stuff to sell... and you don't have bills as high as mine are currently.

So yeah it's tough to get a job, but dang it people on Ebay and Etsy have money to spend. Why not liberate them of it?

[Amaterasu]

Couch potatoes: 70 million Americans are 'inactive

How many live in inner cities and are at or below the poverty line?  Most, I would say.

[zorgon]

Couch potatoes: 70 million Americans are 'inactive

How many live in inner cities and are at or below the poverty line?  Most, I would say.

Well the problem with your assessment is that the 70 million in this study all own TV's and couches   Because THAT study was listing the couch potatoes that HAVE a home , a TV and cable service

[zorgon]

How many live in inner cities and are at or below the poverty line?  Most, I would say.

I  live below that official "poverty line"  yet I still have my house, got a decent vehicle and have a full pantry

Oh and its time to harvest those YUMMY Moroccan dates in that office complex   I'll send ya some

[Amaterasu]

[Pimander]

I forgot what I was trying to say or think about when I started the thread but that was an entertaining ideological joust.

I like both your arguments in different situations.  I don't agree that if everyone had the wealth to do what they liked that they would watch TV and eat pizzas.  On the other hand, I'm not sure whether all the work would get done either unless we set the machines up carefully first.

Ideally, I'd like to have a good standard of living, more opportunities and have to work a lot less hard.  I also don't like ANYBODY owning things we all need like energy supply, water supply, land (apart from our homes obviously), roads, rail etc.  If everyone needs something then it should be shared, and shared fairly.  That includes food.