So Who Put That Flag On The Moon?

[Pimander]

I'd also agree that "they" have been to the Moon.  I don't think the Apollo story is the whole truth.  The technology is there so they have been there.  As I have already said, I also think they are hiding something.

Indeed.  What?  That is the million dollar question.  Maybe Mike is right about humanoid history.  Maybe evidence of ET is an intriguing possibility too.

ETA:  I forgot to mention, more recently, they may be hiding evidence of a secret space program.

[KathyT]

If you click on the red 1300k it will open that photo in hi res. I hope you can see the difference is a lot and worth the HR.  This is the photo I would either link to or download and work with.  Also need the link so copy out the URL regardless and post it for us to check out on our own.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18342HR.jpg

In the hi res photo I see that the ground to the left of the flag has been disturbed a lot.  You will have to calculate the distance from the foot steps to the flag.  Rather I would call them foot prints is in question. Like at the beach and wiggling your feet into the sand destroys all prints, what should we call them?

Over the years I have not once found a technical error on my own. It is of my opinion that the photos were taken on the moon. I am not closed for discussion and I am still open for discussion. I don't know about the videos. Never worked on any of them. In a nut shell from my point of view if the photos were faked I have never found one that holds up to that notion. I have found many that have been altered and can show why.

Deuem

Here is a good video/film "What happened on the moon"   They look carefully at photos and analyze them.   Particularly direction of shadows.   This one photo you reference above, doesn't have parallel shadows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKainIQiaKA&feature=related

I've used Photoshop for a decade.  I do think the photo referenced, when examined, does have footsteps on the other side of the flag.  Why is there no disturbance where the flag pole was stuck in?  I don't know.

Reflections in the helmet shields can be interesting.  In this photo, it shows something large, blurred, to the left side, on the face.  And a point of the origin of the source of light is just above this large item.  Is it a studio light?  Is it the sun?  Is it a flash? 

When I examine the helmet shield reflection, I notice something distinct.   The shadow of the visor cuts a clean dark line across the shield, as it should.  But there is an exception.   The reflection of the large object overlays the shadow on the shield, under the visor.   And it is on the top of that large object that the bright light source shows.   Taking into account that the visor is shaped like a baseball hat, the shadow should have a identical shape as a baseball hat.   Yet there is something large which has shown up on the reflection, both in the lower part and upper part, with the bright light source at the top.    Astronaut?  Polar bear?  LOL!   Since it would be to the left, it would be it's shadowy side giving the reflection on the shield.  How come it's not dark, where did it get it's lighting to throw the reflection?  Is it throwing a lit reflection because there is a secondary light source?

[deuem]

Kathy, when you are on the moon in daytime, like they were there is more than 1 light source. The sun is the number one, then Earth, then stars. At night on a clear night you can go outside and read a paper by star light, Yes? OK, during the daytime they are still there, still giving us light but the sun is overpowering them. Again at night with a full moon, you can drive your car with no head lights on. Tons of reflection power! Now the Earth is how much larger and we have all that water reflecting. That adds up to a lot of light bouncing from the sun off of Earth and landing on the moon. remember they always faced the Earth on all missions. Now we can add in local light, LEM bounce, moon dust bounce, star light and the other astronaut if near by. All most forgot to add in any UFO bases, LOL. But I hope you get the point that light is everywhere up there. It all depends on how much we are talking about.

On shadows, why does everyone think that shadows have to be straight or perpendicular? That is not how shadows work. Take 2 pencils out and hold the together to get two straight line shadows on your desk. OK, now tweak one of them off on an angle and the shadows will now be skewed. One rock is straight, one is on an angle. Shadows are not parallel.  If they had a test like parallel gym bars, they should create good honest parallel shadows. Nature is never parallel. Why should the moon be? Also depending on the contour, the shadows can even look bent or jagged. The best shadow to look at is the flag pole.

On your helmet questions, you should present a marked up photo. 

Just so you all know, a long time ago, I did a massive study of every hour of moon time on each flight with the shadow length and where they should be in orbit at the exact time and direction. Wow, lots of time. Every single shadow worked out perfect. So my guess is that they did it right.

When you get really deep, you can even figure out which day they should lift off and why. Where was the moon in relationship to the Earth and Sun and what shadows would you expect to see in what direction and what length.  All perfect.

Deuem

[johnlear]

There is no flag on the moon. No Apollo mission ever went to the moon. No Apollo mission ever orbited the moon. It was a scam, a hoax using video fakery produced by Stanley Kubrick.

Dr. Van Allen with the information from Pioneer 1 and 3 in the late 50's found the radiation belt surrounding the earth would required about 3 feet of lead to protect any astronauts attempting to penetrate the belt.

Since that time NAZA has gone to extreme lengths to attempt to prove that the Van Allen belt is harmless. In fact, it is worse than when Pioneer 1 and 3 did the measurements and the reason is that NAZA tried to blow a hole in the belts by launching hydrogen bombs from Johnston Island in the early 60's.

If that is not enough, the gravity on the moon is 70% that of earths which would be far too much to get to the moon, land, then takeoff, reorbit, re-dock and come back with the amount of fuel that was avaialble to them. And not only that but NAZA could never get the Saturn V rocket to work. The rocket that you saw faking the Apollo missions were Saturn IV's dressed up to loook like Saturn V.

If that is not enough our entire scientific concept of Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation is based on the false concept that gravitational force is due to and is proportional to the quantity and density of matter. New ton proposed this theory but never assigned an equation to it. It was some years after Newton died that an unknown person added the G=m1m2/r2 equation which bases gravitational force of quantity and density of matter.
In fact, the true gravitational force of the moon is about 70% that of earth figured by Pari Spolter using the Bullialdus Law of Inverse Square worked as a 3 body problem, sun, moon and earth for the exact time of the alleged landing of Apollo 11.

Stanley Kubrick produced the fake moon walks for NAZA as outlined by Jay Weidner in his video about how Kubrick did it.

The purpose of faking the moon landings was for one:
Provide money for the U.S. Navy orbiting weapon system, and
Two: to give the U.S. a psychological morale boost.

But no. No Apollo spacecraft went to the moon, or orbited the moon.

In addition to all that I have a handwritten paper which a former Apollo technician wrote and handed to me about 4 months ago detailing how they faked all of the Apollo reliability tests.

Have a nice day.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Danm John, nice to see you!

[variance]

who put the structures on the moon?  ive heard about mineral/mining rights being owned; is that happenin now or a back burner possible plan?

[Littleenki]

Mr John Lear...speaking the truth!

How refreshing and disturbing all at once..thanks you sir.

Le

[Cosmic4life]

There is no flag on the moon. No Apollo mission ever went to the moon. No Apollo mission ever orbited the moon. It was a scam, a hoax using video fakery produced by Stanley Kubrick.

Dr. Van Allen with the information from Pioneer 1 and 3 in the late 50's found the radiation belt surrounding the earth would required about 3 feet of lead to protect any astronauts attempting to penetrate the belt.

Since that time NAZA has gone to extreme lengths to attempt to prove that the Van Allen belt is harmless. In fact, it is worse than when Pioneer 1 and 3 did the measurements and the reason is that NAZA tried to blow a hole in the belts by launching hydrogen bombs from Johnston Island in the early 60's.

If that is not enough, the gravity on the moon is 70% that of earths which would be far too much to get to the moon, land, then takeoff, reorbit, re-dock and come back with the amount of fuel that was avaialble to them. And not only that but NAZA could never get the Saturn V rocket to work. The rocket that you saw faking the Apollo missions were Saturn IV's dressed up to loook like Saturn V.

If that is not enough our entire scientific concept of Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation is based on the false concept that gravitational force is due to and is proportional to the quantity and density of matter. New ton proposed this theory but never assigned an equation to it. It was some years after Newton died that an unknown person added the G=m1m2/r2 equation which bases gravitational force of quantity and density of matter.
In fact, the true gravitational force of the moon is about 70% that of earth figured by Pari Spolter using the Bullialdus Law of Inverse Square worked as a 3 body problem, sun, moon and earth for the exact time of the alleged landing of Apollo 11.

Stanley Kubrick produced the fake moon walks for NAZA as outlined by Jay Weidner in his video about how Kubrick did it.

The purpose of faking the moon landings was for one:
Provide money for the U.S. Navy orbiting weapon system, and
Two: to give the U.S. a psychological morale boost.

But no. No Apollo spacecraft went to the moon, or orbited the moon.

In addition to all that I have a handwritten paper which a former Apollo technician wrote and handed to me about 4 months ago detailing how they faked all of the Apollo reliability tests.

Have a nice day.

I don't know the true sequence of events but I find that hard to believe.

Firstly It assumes the Van Allen Belts have a fixed high value of energy at all times everywhere.

Secondly It assumes that only Lead can shield a Spacecraft.

The Electron and Proton belts fluctuate in energy , there may be a stretching of the Earths magnetic field between it and the Moon allowing a region of lower energetic levels.

The Inner Electron belt has energies exceeding 500 keV but is easy to shield as it is Electrons.

The Outer Proton belt has kinetic energies ranging from about 100 keV (which can penetrate 0.6 microns of lead) to over 400 MeV (which can penetrate 143 mm of lead).

So the Proton belt can fluctuate wildly.

I believe Apollo got to the moon, It just wasn't the same trip twice because of the variability of the Proton field and It very definitely wasn't the way NASA describe it. 

C..

[johnlear]

who put the structures on the moon?  ive heard about mineral/mining rights being owned; is that happenin now or a back burner possible plan?

The moon was manufactured inside Jupiter 38 billion years ago. It has made many journeys throughout the galaxies. It has been orbiting Earth (this time) about 15,000 years.

The population of the moon I estimate to be between 1.5 and 2.0 billion people similar to us but much more technologically and socially advanced than us.

The grays have their laboratories underground and there are thousands of them.

The moon people occasionally invite and provide transportation to Earth people to see what is really going on however the invitees rarely talk about their experiences.

The temperature extremes that NAZA reports are not as much as NAZA says.  There is a breathable atmosphere that covers the moon,.

The daytime sky is a saffron-yellow.

This information is a secret which must never be allowed to get to Earth inhabitants. Why? It's none of their business.

Earth people have only to live their lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed and to express their love for their families each and every days.

You won't believe me now but when you die you will see the truth. Just as Steve Jobs did. "Oh wow. OH WOW. OHH WOW!!!!!" (Direct quote.)

[mutchie6g]

I believe you John but what about the lasers that were supposedly left behind and what about the Russians ? they must have known it was all a fake why didnt they say anything ? so many people still believe it happened iv seen some folks getting real upset over the topic

[Primus58]

John that is fascinating! Why is it such a secret? Is it the aliens that want it that way, or our governments? With that many inhabitants there, they must be incredibly efficient to not leave trash everywhere!

...and I have to ask, have you, or anyone you know been there? Thanks for visiting!

I bet the aliens have Jim Oberg bobble-head dolls on their dash boards!

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I sure wish I'd get an invite so I could stop looking at all those badly focused photos for evidence that someone took out the trash on the right day.

Rock 

[johnlear]

I don't know the true sequence of events but I find that hard to believe.

You are in the majority

Firstly It assumes the Van Allen Belts have a fixed high value of energy at all times everywhere.

ET tech is infinitely advanced from ours. Van Allen Belts having a fixed value of energy everywhere is childs play to them. This is a prison, not a kindergarten.

Secondly It assumes that only Lead can shield a Spacecraft.

Lead was the example that Dr. Van Allen used.

The Electron and Proton belts fluctuate in energy , there may be a stretching of the Earths magnetic field between it and the Moon allowing a region of lower energetic levels.

"There MAY be? " More NAZA nonsense. But thanks for your opinion.

The Inner Electron belt has energies exceeding 500 keV but is easy to shield as it is Electrons.

Yes, this is NAZA misinformation.

The Outer Proton belt has kinetic energies ranging from about 100 keV (which can penetrate 0.6 microns of lead) to over 400 MeV (which can penetrate 143 mm of lead).

So the Proton belt can fluctuate wildly. [/quote]

Of course. But remember you are only quoting NAZA who has a nasty habit of rearranging the facts.

I believe Apollo got to the moon, It just wasn't the same trip twice because of the variability of the Proton field and It very definitely wasn't the way NASA describe it. 

C..

Ah yes. The majority believes Apollo got to the moon. That was the objective.
Thanks again for your opinion.

[johnlear]

who put the structures on the moon?  ive heard about mineral/mining rights being owned; is that happenin now or a back burner possible plan?

Yes. 3 people own (or think they own) the majority of mining rights on the moon. There is a section on thelivingmoon.com on the owners and how they did it.

[johnlear]

I believe you John but what about the lasers that were supposedly left behind and what about the Russians ? they must have known it was all a fake why didnt they say anything ? so many people still believe it happened iv seen some folks getting real upset over the topic

When a laser beam gets to the moon it is 3 miles in diameter the area of which could contain reflectors of any kind of moon surface.

Not just the diaper sized reflector which was allegedly left by missions which allegedly went

We have been allies of the Russians since the end of WW2. As such we trade info and secrets and plans and objectives. We lie and they swear to it. They lie and we swear to it.

The 'Cold War' was a mutual agreement between the U.S. and Russians to deflect information about UFO's with DEFCONS, threats, shoes being banged on tables, The Strategic Air Command. (Not the one with James Stewart and June Allyson. The fake one).

Yes, people really believed in the nail-biter Apollo 13. Even made a movie about it. Ho-ho-ho.

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Reminds me of the story that up at S-4 where Bob worked some wag got a rabbit shaped doll, dressed it with waistcoat and top hat and gave it a stop watch. Then he securely placed it above the main entrace to S-4 where it resides today. "I'm late....I'm late....for a very important date....."