The End Of Pax Americana?

[burntheships]

Anyone care to resolve the riddle?

To offer protection something or someone is perceived to need power over the the perceived threat to liberty.  Ultimately that always leads to some entity having power over the rest of ...

the States, or Palestine or whomever. Good launching pad Pim.

Take for instance the Feds, over the States; really need no
expounding upon here on Peggy.

Or...for example the IMF, over the third world countries....with a promise
of funding for womens rights, etc in exchange for sovereignty.

Problem being, these countries were in no need of liberation,
they might have been sourcing seed for rice crop, cottom or
otherwise. They recieved instead an invasive contract for
help from the IMF if they would sign said contract.

No help at all as far as an actua; real productive exchange, the IMF
is a power grabbing monetary force, sent in via fiat money contract,
by way of a Fifth Column.

Many are familiar with "End the Fed" ....
it should be expanded to include "end the IMF and
The World Bank".

[Elvis Hendrix]

    " Many are familiar with "End the Fed" ....
      it should be expanded to include "end the IMF and
      The World Bank".

Precisely BTS.
The crawling wart that is the international monetary system.
It is the engine behind the hole  and the wars we find ourselves in.
Lending imaginary money as imaginary debt to cripple growth and adopt control, of the imaginary world it tells us exists.
Its a fuking plague and its winning.

[Pimander]

You are both bang on about the monetary system.  So it needs changing.

So does anyone disagree with the basic starting point to a global solution is to change the economic system permanently?

[Amaterasu]

I don't disagree it needs permanent change.

There are many now clamoring to go back on a gold standard, as if fiat currency is the problem - it is not.  Any token of accounting for meaningful energy expended will work:  shells, beads, electronic bits, whatever.  The BIG issue is interest.

ANY interest charged by the issuers of the money will create debt.  Period.  If the interest rate is .0000005% the amount of debt will rise slowly; if it is 500% it will climb much more quickly.

All "reverting" to metals-backed currency will do is transfer power to Those who have been hoarding gold/silver - and We KNOW there are Those on this planet doing so as We type.

They are surely counting on this.

So rather than give power into the hands of the gold/silver hoarders, the best solution is to eliminate a physical exchange requirement and allow the abundance of the planet to flow to all of Us unimpeded by a system of accounting for it.  This in turn will give "power" to Those with the best ideas for betterment...all the while eliminating physical (as opposed to mental) poverty, oppression, greed, wage/debt and outright slavery, and profiteering (war, prisons, pharma, chemical, medical, food, water, air, etc.).

All of these are emergent in a system of accounting for Our meaningful energy expended ("money").  And so...  I suggest We change that, since JUST NOW in the history We have, We have the tools We need to do that.  Never before have We had free energy, robotics, and the interweb.

[zorgon]

ANY interest charged by the issuers of the money will create debt.  Period.

I haz a question on Debt...

It is said that the USA is in SERIOUS DEBT...

...yet the Pentagon cannot account for TRILLIONS annually, the Fed can lose 9 TRILLION in one year alone.

Does anyone really grasp what a TRILLION dollars is?

So my questions,,,

#1 WHO exactly are we in DEBT TO?
#2 WHO exactly will come and collect if we are in DEFAULT

('We" being the USA)

[zorgon]

What do you see on this paper?

[deuem]

#1 WHO exactly are we in DEBT TO?
#2 WHO exactly will come and collect if we are in DEFAULT
"This note is legal tender for all debts, publis and private"

#1,In debt to China, #2,They will come and take all your girls to balance out the one man baby problem. The funny money can be printed at any time to pay the debts off but the fed charges us interest to print it so we get further in debt.

At some point in time someone some where is going to make all of us pay for it. Entire cities will go on the open market along with natural reserves to pay this debt off. When that funny money no longer has any value they will ask for other things of value. Our way of life will stop.

[petrus4]

You are both bang on about the monetary system.  So it needs changing.

So does anyone disagree with the basic starting point to a global solution is to change the economic system permanently?

My own idea for the economic system has been provisional, or hybrid post scarcity.  As in, post scarcity for those commodities that really can be reproduced to that degree, while continuing to use Capitalism or a similar system, to govern those commodities which are not yet reproducible, or are still scarce.  We would want to continue looking into ways of synthesising or reproducing said non-reproducible resources as quickly as possible, with the desired end goal being the retirement of Capitalism entirely, at least where possible.

As far as I'm concerned we already have the technology to begin to do this.  What we lack is the will, and the belief in many cases that it is possible.

We need to recognise that it is not, in fact, a moral virtue to deny people the things they need to survive, purely because of some entirely arbitrary judgement, about whether or not said people will engage in activity that we consider worthwhile, if they are not in a position where they will starve otherwise.

In other words, if food can be produced mechanically to the point where lack of supply becomes irrelevant, then I do not have the attitude that people should be denied food unless they work, purely because of the arbitrary fear that said people might simply "sit around and smoke marijuana all day," if they did not have to work to avoid starving.  If it does not truly harm the economy to feed them, then I advocate doing so; and if, as a consequence, they decide to sit around all day and get stoned, then that is entirely their own business.

I consider this fear of other people's supposed indolence, to be a ridiculous, and entirely pointless form of self-righteousness.  If someone else is what you consider slothful, but said laziness is of no negative consequence to you, then why do you, or why should you care?  Apart from anything else, again, the determination of laziness is almost always entirely arbitrary.

[petrus4]

What do you see on this paper?

I see the face of a genocidal maniac, who the American people have been brainwashed to regard as a scholar, and presumably a national hero.

[deuem]

Anna Escobedo Cabral
U.S. Treasurer
Anna Escobedo Cabral was nominated on July 22, 2004, by President Bush to serve as Treasurer of the United States.  She was confirmed by the United States Senate on November 20, 2004.

The dollar bill is a 2003 A, why does it have her name on it?

[Amaterasu]

Anna Escobedo Cabral
U.S. Treasurer
Anna Escobedo Cabral was nominated on July 22, 2004, by President Bush to serve as Treasurer of the United States.  She was confirmed by the United States Senate on November 20, 2004.

The dollar bill is a 2003 A, why does it have her name on it?

Because bills are issued in "series."  She came on board in the middle (ish) of the 2003 series (which was printed for a number of years).

[zorgon]

[zorgon]

#1,In debt to China,

Most likely , but from a capitalistic point of view, they seem to have their act together If they would just stop making shoddy goods they would already rule the wrold

#2,They will come and take all your girls to balance out the one man baby problem.

Well send me all thos unwanted Chines girls... I can find a use for them

The funny money can be printed at any time to pay the debts off but the fed charges us interest to print it so we get further in debt.

Yes EXACTLY  Federal Reserve Note  So its not government money.  As far as I know the Fed had no army to enforce collection.

At some point in time someone some where is going to make all of us pay for it. Entire cities will go on the open market along with natural reserves to pay this debt off. When that funny money no longer has any value they will ask for other things of value. Our way of life will stop.

Our way of life has already stopped... We have Homeland security, TSA checkpoints, most out of work and losing homes... etc etc. So who will buy these defaulted cities? As to other things of value, they already hid all the gold

Maybe I can yet sell my few ounces to some rich Chinaman

[zorgon]

You want 'abundance'?

Take a SINGLE penny and double it for thirty days

[petrus4]

Isn't that a comforting image, kids?  Doesn't it just warm your hearts?  Reminds me of another historical figure I remember, from a few years back.



I was even able to find another image of Obama's predecessor, in a similar pose.



Of course, I'm sure these photos are just an entirely unrelated coincidence, in all three cases.  Please, pay them no mind.  Only a paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theorist would dare to think that perhaps there is some sort of connection; and I would never dream of being one of those.