Joint decision

[deuem]

For some ereason I have a urge to smoke a potato, hey they are legal here...

Pim, what part of the potato are you talking about ?  Potatoes have nice flowers, but I don't know if there are potato seeds. Never saw one. Maybe the flowers drop them. But the good old potato can be cooked many thousands of ways. I eat too many of them..

Since it is a starch, I guss you can make things like glue and paper also.

Deuem

[Amaterasu]

Because the reality is that the majority of people that are supporting the legalization are only using 'medicinal purposes' as a banner... when all they care about is getting high and escaping from reality

Ahahahaha! z, THAT is malarkey.  Those that "just want to get high" are treating stress - a medical application.  And "getting high" is NOT = to escaping reality.

And I bet that holds for several here too

Yeah, a number of Us use it for stress relief, and many other medical uses.

But you can always move to Uruguay

No need, I think.

[Amaterasu]

Basically, Cannabis smoking is linked to 8 types of cancer.

You will provide links to the studies that offer the methodology to support this claim?  I have kept a keen eye out and found many such claims cannot be actually supported.

[zorgon]

Ahahahaha! z, THAT is malarkey.  Those that "just want to get high" are treating stress

stress relief = escaping reality

[robomont]

Suffering is not having stress relief.so you propose people should suffer.or only use what the nanny state approves.
I tore my knee up one day and the stuff the hospital had me on only made me sleepy.my friend smoked a j with me when i got out.the pain was tolerable then.life is generally stressful and i dont think we should have a stress tax when its usually the gov thats stressing us out.because the weed calms us down.our cortisol levels should be lower .thus less chance of cancer.and overall longer life.that doesnt even include all the other benefits.

[Pimander]

You will provide links to the studies that offer the methodology to support this claim?  I have kept a keen eye out and found many such claims cannot be actually supported.

I don't mean to be rude but either you understand pharmacology or you don't.  You either accept that scientists who have studied the subject properly know more than you do or you don't.  In your case you only accept what scientists say when it suits you so it is pointless wasting my years of training debating with you about it.

A simple literature search provides a ridiculous number of papers which support my position.  In my opinion you are delusional about the effects of Cannabis which is, surprise surprise - a condition associated with Cannabis consumption.

In the words of Isaac Newton when he was mocked by Edmund Halley for his interest in the subject of Astrology, "With respect [mam], I have studied the subject and you have not."

Results  Duration since first cannabis use was associated with all 3 psychosis-related outcomes. For those with duration since first cannabis use of 6 or more years, there was a significantly increased risk of (1) nonaffective psychosis (adjusted odds ratio, 2.2; 95% confidence interval, 1.1-4.5), (2) being in the highest quartile of Peters et al Delusions Inventory score (adjusted odds ratio, 4.2; 95% confidence interval, 4.2-5., and (3) hallucinations (adjusted odds ratio, 2.8; 95% confidence interval, 1.9-4.1). Within sibling pairs, duration since first cannabis use and higher scores on the Peters et al Delusions Inventory remained significantly associated.

Conclusions  Early cannabis use is associated with psychosis-related outcomes in young adults. The use of sibling pairs reduces the likelihood that unmeasured confounding explains these findings. This study provides further support for the hypothesis that early cannabis use is a risk-modifying factor for psychosis-related outcomes in young adults.Published online March 1, 2010 (doi:10.1001/archgenpsychiatry.2010.6).

Association Between Cannabis Use and Psychosis-Related Outcomes Using Sibling Pair Analysis in a Cohort of Young Adults

Or perhaps the evil pharmacologists are persecuting smokers? 

Conclusions

Using a state of the art assessment, the study adds to findings of an association of persecutory ideation with cannabis use.

Keywords:  Persecutory ideation;  Paranoia;    Delusions;    Cannabis

Persecutory ideation and a history of cannabis use

Of course I have not really selected the best studies and those quotes were not intended to convince you of anything and I have no intention of wasting hours of my life in a pointless debate.  I quoted those parts that amused me.   You are happy in your delusion that increased risk of cancer is not real when you smoke.  You're wrong.

[Anthra]

I don't mean to be rude but either you understand pharmacology or you don't.  You either accept that scientists who have studied the subject properly know more than you do or you don't.  In your case you only accept what scientists say when it suits you so it is pointless wasting my years of training debating with you about it.

I am rather unaccepting as well, and while I don't have an education specifically in pharmacology, I do have a great deal of knowledge and experience in data analysis. Oh yeah, with Pot as well (some 45+ years). So if its all the same to y'all; I'll just be trusting my own "take" on the data.

A simple literature search provides a ridiculous number of papers which support my position.  In my opinion you are delusional about the effects of Cannabis which is, surprise surprise - a condition associated with Cannabis consumption.{/quote]

This is rather typical; call the pot head wrong, simply because he smokes. It is well known that people who have NEVER smoked pot know little to nothing about the effects, despite how many studies they have participated in, or authored.

In the words of Isaac Newton when he was mocked by Edmund Halley for his interest in the subject of Astrology, "With respect [mam], I have studied the subject and you have not."

Us smokers can evoke that as well, and perhaps with a bit more authority.

Of course I have not really selected the best studies and those quotes were not intended to convince you of anything and I have no intention of wasting hours of my life in a pointless debate.  I quoted those parts that amused me.   You are happy in your delusion that increased risk of cancer is not real when you smoke.  You're wrong.

Yet you have not addressed the issues of Cancer being related to pot smoking. I would one of the first to scream that smoking anything is bad, and can lead to cancer. And, you are right to get in the face of anyone who thinks that smoking weed is completely save...it isn't.

But, to defend our position with these psychological piles of crap is nearly the same as not bothering to address the issues at all. Psychology has little to do with cancer. Further, the worst issues with weed is that it affects the young mind much differently than an old one; the affect is typically only a short term memory issue, except in those already predisposed to some sort of psychological issue. And, in those cases, it is very likely helpful in the majority of instances.

Further many of the psychological affects are greatly over shadowed by the positive effects that help in cancer related treatment, AIDS, and a growing variety of other ailments, not to mention the relaxing / stress relieving properties. Its effect on general pain, eye health, effects on diabetes, cardiac issues, Alzheimer's, ... this list is growing daily.

All in all it would seem that the positive effects (medical and other wise) far outweigh the negative.

[Amaterasu]

stress relief = escaping reality

Or a logical choice in a complex world that developed a LOT faster than Humanity; biologically, We are not yet fully adapted to it - yet, if ever.  A short and brutal life is a higher likelihood, with some probability of a snap happening, if some form of re-creation is not achieved.

The most logical thing to do would be to seek to encourage a remedy such as cannabis is proving to be.

You have such knee-jerk propaganda responses, z.

[Amaterasu]

I don't mean to be rude but either you understand pharmacology or you don't.  You either accept that scientists who have studied the subject properly know more than you do or you don't.  In your case you only accept what scientists say when it suits you so it is pointless wasting my years of training debating with you about it.

A simple literature search provides a ridiculous number of papers which support my position.  In my opinion you are delusional about the effects of Cannabis which is, surprise surprise - a condition associated with Cannabis consumption.

In the words of Isaac Newton when he was mocked by Edmund Halley for his interest in the subject of Astrology, "With respect [mam], I have studied the subject and you have not."
Association Between Cannabis Use and Psychosis-Related Outcomes Using Sibling Pair Analysis in a Cohort of Young Adults

Or perhaps the evil pharmacologists are persecuting smokers? 
Persecutory ideation and a history of cannabis use

Of course I have not really selected the best studies and those quotes were not intended to convince you of anything and I have no intention of wasting hours of my life in a pointless debate.  I quoted those parts that amused me.   You are happy in your delusion that increased risk of cancer is not real when you smoke.  You're wrong.

[smile] All I did was ask for data, Pim.  Why so defensive?

If You want, I can get studies that support its ability to FIGHT cancer.  Quid pro quo?

And adding to this, I'll throw in studies that could NOT link it to cancer...

[robomont]

I find it to mostly be a generational thing.the brainwashing was pretty hard core.no offence zorgon.you of all people i would have thought to be more open minded on the subject.i didnt personally become aware until i was about 21 even though i had smoked a few times.peer pressure.once i started regular use.the answer was clear.the worlds better off when robopuff is high.my family can vouch for that.

[ArMaP]

the worlds better off when robopuff is high.my family can vouch for that.

I doubt the world changes.

PS: many people say the same thing about drinking.

[zorgon]

no offence zorgon.you of all people i would have thought to be more open minded on the subject.

What makes you think I am not open minded?  Just because I have different views on it?



Lungs were never created to contain SMOKE

[zorgon]

OPIUM has given us some really useful drugs that really help people with pain...

But SMOKING it.... 



...didn't work out to good for the Chinese



http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/history/news-incredible-images-19th-century-opium-dens

[Amaterasu]

Logical fallacy, z. Opium and cannabis are not at all the same, in effect, in method of obtaining usable states of substance, in biological function, etc.

Trying to justify views of cannabis based on the "horrors" of opium is truly disingenuous.

[robomont]

Funny you bring up poppies.just ordered afgan poppy seeds and also ordered blue lotus seeds.