Joint decision

[WarToad]

ROFL!  The People who are in accidents from drugs other than alcohol is about 1% of the accidents caused by drugs - alcohol is 99% of them.  I don't think THIS is a problem of any great proportion.

Statements like this remind me 99% of the statistics on the internet are BS made up on the cuff as a fallasy arguement ...  (yours  appears to be a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization though quite honestly, you just pulled a BS number from Nibiru knows where.) ...to support something you have an emotional investment in and the truthful numbers would be damaging to your reality.

Alcohol is a problem, no doubt.  Absolutely.  Since it's mass production.  But to minimize other drugs to "1%" in 2013 is intellectulally dishonest at the least, or just rationalizing personal behavior otherwise.  You need not reply unless you can support and cite that 99%/1% figure you threw out.  I work in the medical community.  You cannot.  I see the train wrecks daily.

[deuem]

 

ROFL!  The People who are in accidents from drugs other than alcohol is about 1% of the accidents caused by drugs - alcohol is 99% of them.  I don't think THIS is a problem of any great proportion.

Do you have any real data or is this one of those cases where people pick a random number that suites their needs?    

That number of 1% I think would be high here [pun intended] I have never heard of a drug accident yet. It would be all over the news. Drunk driving yes. This they have a problem with. Now you go straight to jail, big fine and no driving for 5 years.   

You can get as drunk as you want but must be driven home or take a taxi. If there are any drugs here at all they must be well hidden. I know X is in some of the discos but never seen or smelt anything else.   The question comes up about the rights of people that are not taking these drugs.

Should there be any laws to protect them. For instance I don't think I want my surgeon or pilot high as a kite nor do I want him drunk as a skunk. Do I still have those rights when it is legal?  Pilots have a 12 hour rule. No drinking 12 hours before flying. In some jobs it might not matter, does it matter in any?
Deuem

[Pimander]

I was trying to stay out of this but....

UV radiation can cause DNA mutations which can cause cancer.

Now I am reading that tobacco smoke causing cancer is just a conspiracy involving tobacco companies deliberately poisoning their customers using radioactive fertilisers.  Really?  The government is involved in an evil plot to make us think smoking is bad for you?  If they were involved in a conspiracy to poison you with tobacco they would also tell you it is bad for you?  OMG & WTF.

The notion that Cannabis causes you to be focused and helps work is also complete nonsense.  It may make you enjoy being at work more but it does not make people more productive and if it did then factories would tolerate and encourage smoking which they do not.  The reason Cannabis use was allowed to take hold was to pacify the masses, not to make hippies productive.  LOL

I can see it now, the RAF trying to formulate ways of making pilots focus on dangerous missions.  "So then chaps, I've just had a report back from Pimander's lab.  They tested 39 different drugs to see which ones enhance pilot performance when operations are of extreme national security importance.  They reckon if we get the pilots stoned on Weed the Russians will sh1t themselves when they see the results."

Sometimes I think I'm going mad.  Then I read stuff like this and know the truth.   

[rdunk]

Just FYI relative to this discussion: (this was posted in response to a question on yahoo)


Ryder3 answered 11 months ago

Well I do have some interesting stats that are true. dont know if this will help you.
Comorbid mental illnesses — Comorbid mood and anxiety disorders occur frequently in patients with cannabis use disorders. A US study found that mood disorders occur in 61 percent of those with cannabis dependence and 36 percent of those with cannabis abuse. Anxiety disorders occur in 46 percent of those with cannabis dependence and 25 percent of those with cannabis abuse. The most prevalent comorbid disorders are major depressive disorder, mania, specific phobias, and generalized anxiety disorder.
In addition, cannabis use occurs more frequently in patients with mental illness compared to the general population. The prevalence of cannabis use disorders among patients with specific illnesses is

Schizophrenia - 31 percent
Mania - 30 percent
Dysthymia - 22 percent
Hypomania - 21 percent
Major depression - 16 percent
Panic disorder with agoraphobia - 26 percent
Generalized anxiety disorder - 19 percent

Another fun fact:

Marijuana — The carcinogenicity of marijuana smoking is less studied than that of tobacco smoking. Several reports have documented histologic and molecular changes in the bronchial epithelium of marijuana smokers that are similar to the metaplastic premalignant alterations that are seen among tobacco smokers.
Users of these drugs are probably at increased risk for lung cancer, although the magnitude of risk has not been well quantified. The absolute risk of lung cancer that a given individual accrues likely relates to the magnitude and duration of drug use, the amount of adulterants coingested, and whether exposure to concomitant carcinogens (such as tobacco smoke) is present. In a case-control study, the risk of lung cancer increased 8 percent for each joint-year of marijuana smoking after adjusting for cigarette smoking. In comparison, the risk of lung cancer increased 7 percent for each pack-year of cigarette smoking after adjusting for marijuana smoking.

So the answer is that there just isn't enough research. But yes it causes lung cancer just the same as smoking.

Source(s):
uptodate.com

[robomont]

And the nanny state thanks you for your due diligence.

[Amaterasu]

I was trying to stay out of this but....

UV radiation can cause DNA mutations which can cause cancer.

Now I am reading that tobacco smoke causing cancer is just a conspiracy involving tobacco companies deliberately poisoning their customers using radioactive fertilisers.  Really?  The government is involved in an evil plot to make us think smoking is bad for you?  If they were involved in a conspiracy to poison you with tobacco they would also tell you it is bad for you?  OMG & WTF.

There is a "law" that says tobacco must be grown with the radioactive "fertilizer," and They thrive on controversy, do remember.  Divide & and that.  Another reason They want to eliminate tobacco is that it seems it counters the effects of fluoride....

Statements like this remind me 99% of the statistics on the internet are BS made up on the cuff as a fallasy arguement ...  (yours  appears to be a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization though quite honestly, you just pulled a BS number from Nibiru knows where.) ...to support something you have an emotional investment in and the truthful numbers would be damaging to your reality.

Mea culpa.  I cannot find a breakdown of drugs found in traffic fatalities to give specifics.

[Amaterasu]

Just FYI relative to this discussion: (this was posted in response to a question on yahoo)


Ryder3 answered 11 months ago

Well I do have some interesting stats that are true. dont know if this will help you.
Comorbid mental illnesses — Comorbid mood and anxiety disorders occur frequently in patients with cannabis use disorders. A US study found that mood disorders occur in 61 percent of those with cannabis dependence and 36 percent of those with cannabis abuse. Anxiety disorders occur in 46 percent of those with cannabis dependence and 25 percent of those with cannabis abuse. The most prevalent comorbid disorders are major depressive disorder, mania, specific phobias, and generalized anxiety disorder.
In addition, cannabis use occurs more frequently in patients with mental illness compared to the general population. The prevalence of cannabis use disorders among patients with specific illnesses is

Schizophrenia - 31 percent
Mania - 30 percent
Dysthymia - 22 percent
Hypomania - 21 percent
Major depression - 16 percent
Panic disorder with agoraphobia - 26 percent
Generalized anxiety disorder - 19 percent

Another fun fact:

Marijuana — The carcinogenicity of marijuana smoking is less studied than that of tobacco smoking. Several reports have documented histologic and molecular changes in the bronchial epithelium of marijuana smokers that are similar to the metaplastic premalignant alterations that are seen among tobacco smokers.
Users of these drugs are probably at increased risk for lung cancer, although the magnitude of risk has not been well quantified. The absolute risk of lung cancer that a given individual accrues likely relates to the magnitude and duration of drug use, the amount of adulterants coingested, and whether exposure to concomitant carcinogens (such as tobacco smoke) is present. In a case-control study, the risk of lung cancer increased 8 percent for each joint-year of marijuana smoking after adjusting for cigarette smoking. In comparison, the risk of lung cancer increased 7 percent for each pack-year of cigarette smoking after adjusting for marijuana smoking.

So the answer is that there just isn't enough research. But yes it causes lung cancer just the same as smoking.

Source(s):
uptodate.com

Hahahahaha.  Sorry, rdunk, but You have some mighty disinfo there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/marijuana-lung-cancer_n_3474960.html

http://blog.norml.org/2013/06/19/study-cannabis-smoking-not-associated-with-increased-lung-cancer-risk-or-other-serious-pulmonary-complications/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/

And while We're at it, who came up with "Comorbid mental illnesses," and why is it being looked as if cannabis use is the "symptom" and not the medication?

Yeah, People who Self-medicate will have higher likelihood of having a reason to Self-medicate.

[robomont]

When i saw huffpo.i laughed.you can add daily beast to that list too.about as much truth as the onion.nowadays if you want real news there is drudge.aj.and blacklisted news.
Just today blacklisted had a report out on british scientist curing cancer using thc.
You would think our members would be up to date on real news agencies.we filter them so much everyday its obvious their agendas at this point.

[ArMaP]

Well then there should be total chaos in the streets of portugal.
Thats what most of our police chiefs say will happen in america if drugs were legal.

Just a correction, drugs are not legal in Portugal, the personal use of drugs was decriminalized, just that.

[Pimander]

There is a "law" that says tobacco must be grown with the radioactive "fertilizer,"

What does the law actually say?  That all tobacco has to be grown in the USA and subject to a US law insisting on the use of radioactive fertiliser?

What isotope are they poisoning smokers with?  Don't forget that although phosphorus can be radioactive, that the isotope used in fertiliser isn't harmful.

[Sinny]

Amaterasu

why is it being looked as if cannabis use is the "symptom" and not the medication?

Bazinga.

From anxiety, eating disorders, to stress - weed is my cure - not my problem 

[Pimander]

From anxiety, eating disorders, to stress - weed is my cure - not my problem 

The problem is that dependence on a drug for any problem is not a good long term solution.

If you rely on Cannabis to relieve anxiety, for appetite stimulation or whatever, then your body increasingly needs more and more of the drug for that purpose as the body resists its effects.  The more you develop resistance, the more the symptoms like anxiety increase when you do not take the drug and the problem just gradually gets worse.

There is nothing unique about Cannabis in this regard.  This is true of nearly all drugs.

Would you like me to edit out what you just posted in public.  I used to be a PCS rep and have seen cases of people being disciplined for bringing the dept into disrepute for posting stuff like that.  THINK!


ETA:  Stick to moderate use and there is no problem.  Large doses every day of a drug - unless it is essential - are not a good thing.

[robomont]

Back in the50s when we were mining u ore.we had giant piles of leftover dirt.the gov conned the tobacco farmers to take it.as oakridge is in the heart of tobacco country.the gov hustled it to them because it was high in phosphorus.
If i remember the story correctly.

[Sinny]

The problem is that dependence on a drug for any problem is not a good long term solution.

If you rely on Cannabis to relieve anxiety, for appetite stimulation or whatever, then your body increasingly needs more and more of the drug for that purpose as the body resists its effects.  The more you develop resistance, the more the symptoms like anxiety increase when you do not take the drug and the problem just gradually gets worse.

There is nothing unique about Cannabis in this regard.  This is true of nearly all drugs.

Would you like me to edit out what you just posted in public.  I used to be a PCS rep and have seen cases of people being disciplined for bringing the dept into disrepute for posting stuff like that.  THINK!


ETA:  Stick to moderate use and there is no problem.  Large doses every day of a drug - unless it is essential - are not a good thing.

Unless Zorg has an issue with the post it can remain.

In regards to 'reliance'/'dependancy' I depend on nothing apart from my access to Water and Oxygen.
I can't afford to be dependant on anything, because nothing is permanent, whether that be people, subtances, or matierial items.
You call canabis a drug - like it's not a plant   

If I were to seek 'medical' treatment for all of the above, I would be on chemical pharma's - far more potent and addictive than cannabis.
Why does the constant and consistant use of Prozac not garner all this demonised attention?
In regards to devolping 'resistance' that'll never happen. I can't smoke before 9pm as I'm usually working, and once you haven't smoked for 10 hours, any old plant might just get you high, alternatively, there are endless amounts of breeds you could muck about with.

I've been smoking the same dose for 5 years....where is this 'out of control spiral' some people seem to percieve?

Weed is helping me in my long term solutions as it allows me to think more freely and with creativity, it is only whilst stoned I would ever like to return to the notion of where my negative emotions and physical ailments originate.

As always, mind of matter, What you think you will become, and all that lot...
If other peeps can't handle their addictions, that's their issue - not mine 

[Elvis Hendrix]

Ive never been too good at moderation.



Thats not me by the way....... Im more James Dean but with massive arms and much better hair