Startling Footage of a Triangle Craft over the Netherlands

[stealthyaroura]

Deuem I think you may be referring to what I called pixelation?
When the craft bolts it leaves an after effect where it was like maybe a signature of sorts?

I can't see the point of adding it as cgi ?

The same effect is there where the craft zooms too as well.

It does appear to be tumbling aswell. I am inclined to say this is a real object.

Restricted to a phone so I can't do much to analyse it.

[ArMaP]

I "stacked the cards" for most of the video and the "cards" stacked from top to bottom, from left to right, but then they "moved" a little from right to left.

Considering that the clouds are moving from right to left at an unknown velocity, how can we know if the object is moving from right to left or vice-versa?

[deuem]

Deuem I think you may be referring to what I called pixelation?
When the craft bolts it leaves an after effect where it was like maybe a signature of sorts?

I can't see the point of adding it as cgi ?

The same effect is there where the craft zooms too as well.

It does appear to be tumbling aswell. I am inclined to say this is a real object.

Restricted to a phone so I can't do much to analyse it.

Deuem is the cats meow on pixels. That is what it goes after and only them..  Even if a photo is so pixellated you cant see it, I still might be able to pick up a pattern and have done so many times.

I get a kick out of reading a lot of Utube comments. Like CGI, Fake, My grandma could do that. It would take me 5 minutes to do in Adobe. All "talk no action" I see it as bla, bla.  If indeeed it could be reproduced in 5 minutes then what is stopping them. Then you hear, It is not worth my time. Ok but writing a stupid comment was? It does not balance in my book. I like to say, "then prove it or shut up"

It does not matter to me which way it is proven as long as the proof is real and not made up just to look better. The better the UFO flick, the more the paid people are writing it is fake. If a UT video is real and the first few posters are all over it with Fake, CGI, BS and so on then most readers fall in line like sheep and move on or agree with them without even looking at it. The same thing happens on threads. The problem is they use that same tatic on every thread, so they have to be right most of the time, so everyone falls in line. Bahhhha! See I don't care if a million posters say BS, I need to prove it to myself..

When a CGI UFO is pasted or layered onto a video there are a lot of problems to overcome, first to make it look real, to make it stick, to make it interact and most of all pass my testing.  On this UFO you see a very bright white triangle. Deuem is seeing a triangle with a center light and also 3 lights in the corners that change the intensity as the video goes on. I can not pick up the 3 lights by eye off the video, only after processed. So why would anyone do that. Start with a good model and light it so much you cant see it anymore? ok, maybe.  But how do they make the sunlight move. Sunlight is a key here. It has been warped by the object.

Other fields are present that take up most of the frame while it does a short blast. How or why does someone do that in CGI. All the pros go the other way and make it clean.

I have found nothing so far that screams CGI. Everything so far is saying a military craft in a death spin that was caught on tape. They lost the ability to hover. Some glitch to work out.

Deuem

[deuem]

I "stacked the cards" for most of the video and the "cards" stacked from top to bottom, from left to right, but then they "moved" a little from right to left.

Considering that the clouds are moving from right to left at an unknown velocity, how can we know if the object is moving from right to left or vice-versa?

Very good Armap, You actually did try it and got the right answer, See it can be done! Basicaly now you should see the sprial in the drop and if you measure the craft in the drp it is staying close to the same size.  This should tell us that it was dropping and moving a little away as it happened. Did you pick up the almost perfect corkscrew?

On clouds, yes they were moving but not very fast. Cloulds drift slow unless there is a storm and then they get pulled apart. These clouds have nice distintive formations that can be tracked frame to frame with just a little problem. One would have to do a standards on clouds vs wind speed to get beter results on how far to shift each frame.

But I can only guess if we agree on the flight path.

I am impressed that you actualy did the card stack and got the same answer. There is hope and maybe you might have climbed out of that box and thought over what Deuem was saying. It sounded funny till you did it. I would bet money on that. See, ole Deuem is not crazy, I can just see other ways at looking at the same thing and doing something with it.

Now you have the card trick in your pocket and can use it for other videos. Call it the "Deuem stack"  I like that. No processing just true video work.

Now if you could only see the reaction of the clouds at the 1:20+ mark. My day would be complete.
When the craft moves from right to left, look right above where it used to be and follow the very faint clouds in the video. You will see that a swoosh of air disturbed them and they blew to the left. Like if you were to broom away dust. The broom goes first, the billow of dust is seen later. It is not instant. In that scene the clouds react later, as they should. Is that CGI?

Maybe I could do a gif on it if I find the time. It would take many hours to do it right but I am still hoping you can see it first. remember it is an after effect. Behind and above the craft. It is very faint but there. I think you will find it.

Deuem

[ArMaP]

Very good Armap, You actually did try it and got the right answer, See it can be done!

I knew it could be done, I just didn't have the time during the week to do it.

Basicaly now you should see the sprial in the drop and if you measure the craft in the drp it is staying close to the same size.  This should tell us that it was dropping and moving a little away as it happened.

It's possible, but I find it would be a great coincidence that the rate of descent would match the rate at which it was moving away. Not very likely, but surely possible.

Did you pick up the almost perfect corkscrew?

Not really, a 2D image (or sequence of images" cannot show if it was moving in a corkscrew or just from one side to the other, although a wider corkscrew would show difference in the distance to the triangle as it would move away and closer again.

On clouds, yes they were moving but not very fast. Cloulds drift slow unless there is a storm and then they get pulled apart.

Not really, in most of the video the clouds are moving faster than the triangle, sometimes they move relatively fast when the wind close to the ground is not strong. Also, we can see two layers of clouds in that video, with the one closer to the camera moving (apparently) faster.

These clouds have nice distintive formations that can be tracked frame to frame with just a little problem. One would have to do a standards on clouds vs wind speed to get beter results on how far to shift each frame.

The problem with the clouds is that they change shape and size while moving, that's why I said that we don't really have a fixed reference.

I am impressed that you actualy did the card stack and got the same answer.

Are you impressed that I did it, that I got the same answer, or both?

There is hope and maybe you might have climbed out of that box and thought over what Deuem was saying.

No boxes here.

It sounded funny till you did it. I would bet money on that.

It didn't.

See, ole Deuem is not crazy, I can just see other ways at looking at the same thing and doing something with it.

That's the most interesting part of group work, everyone has a slightly different way of seeing things, even if they sometimes appear to just agree with other people's opinions.

Now you have the card trick in your pocket and can use it for other videos. Call it the "Deuem stack"  I like that. No processing just true video work.

Well, that's processing, manual processing but still processing.

Now if you could only see the reaction of the clouds at the 1:20+ mark. My day would be complete.
When the craft moves from right to left, look right above where it used to be and follow the very faint clouds in the video. You will see that a swoosh of air disturbed them and they blew to the left. Like if you were to broom away dust. The broom goes first, the billow of dust is seen later. It is not instant. In that scene the clouds react later, as they should. Is that CGI?

I don't think it's CGI, as I have been saying since the beginning, they are just clouds.
And I think the movement is natural and independent of the triangle's movement.

Just to make it easier, I made a short clip of that part, with added contrast to make the clouds more visible.

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Maybe I could do a gif on it if I find the time. It would take many hours to do it right but I am still hoping you can see it first. remember it is an after effect. Behind and above the craft. It is very faint but there. I think you will find it.

I have seen it since the first time you alerted to that time in the video, but you said it wasn't the clouds.

[deuem]

When Did I say it wasnt the clouds?

In you 7 second clip I can see the clould on the top whisk away as an after effect. The ones on the bottom are just moving. The top ones move as a result of the swoosh, not the wind.

  am impressed that you actualy did the card stack and got the same answer.
   Are you impressed that I did it, that I got the same answer, or both?

BOTH !

Very good Armap, You actually did try it and got the right answer, See it can be done!
   I knew it could be done, I just didn't have the time during the week to do it.

I would really like to believe that, But I dont think you would have done it on your own. I think you needed a push to do it. And now everyone knows this can be done and it is not that hard to do.

Can you post your results picture of the drop and then I will post mine and we can compare notes.

Draw a spine for craft to craft and see if you get the cork screw. It is not a lot of turns, just 1 or so. But I think it can be picked up fairly well.

The rate of descent should match the rate at which it was moving away if it is in a corkscrew dive. It would be almost perfect. The rates are both constant. At the end after the slight push and went the camera zoomed out, It just started to fall straight down. They then paniced and hit the warp button to get out of the fix they were in.

Deuem

[ArMaP]

When Did I say it wasnt the clouds?

That was what I thought you meant with this post.

In you 7 second clip I can see the clould on the top whisk away as an after effect. The ones on the bottom are just moving. The top ones move as a result of the swoosh, not the wind.

Well, that's just your opinion, but I am not going to ask you for proof of that. 

I would really like to believe that, But I dont think you would have done it on your own.

I didn't say I would have done it on my own, I didn't thought of that.

I think you needed a push to do it. And now everyone knows this can be done and it is not that hard to do.

What is not possible is knowing the velocity of the clouds and, from that, make a fixed reference, what we are looking at is a moving reference.

Can you post your results picture of the drop and then I will post mine and we can compare notes.
Draw a spine for craft to craft and see if you get the cork screw. It is not a lot of turns, just 1 or so. But I think it can be picked up fairly well.

Tomorrow, it's already 2:06 AM here, I should be sleeping.
 

The rate of descent should match the rate at which it was moving away if it is in a corkscrew dive.

That would depend on the angle from the camera to the triangle, if it was too low we would see only the triangle getting smaller and bigger as it would move away and closer while doing the corkscrew, if the angle was too high we would see the triangle making a spiral movement.

[stealthyaroura]

Gotta say I'm liking the collaboration of sorts guys!
Brings out the best in each of you. This is how it's done
Gold for each of you.

[deuem]

Ok, I'll go first.  This was my first attempt at it.



See what you all think about it.  The spline is there for reference of the crafts center line. On the way down it turned about 180 degrees and then turned back about the same. The craft never made a full rotation on its own. The jog in the bottom shows where it powered up for a cecond and skipped to the left then drifted to the right where it then went into more of a free fall straight down till they paniced and hit the warp drive to get out of the fall.

I recon they would have hit the ground in a minute or so, had they not done that.  The entire tape shows to me that an acident was caught on tape of a craft that lost its hover ability and was in trouble falling to the ground, I think this is a millitary craft for sure. The white is the electrical field just like the A51 saucers.

Deuem

[stealthyaroura]

Well it sure would bring a whole load of "oh it's CGI" or "yeah adobe after effects" in the comments section from those trying to hide such tech from the masses!

It's actually a good ploy and I was swayed by the remarks even though I know nothing about Adobe after effects or CGI. So I'm guilty as charged Deuem.

Great that your dissecting this! There is more to this than first meets the eye.

It's interesting that you found 3 points of light on the craft. Fits with what's been reported in the past with these craft.

First daylight footage? One for the archives for sure.

[ArMaP]

Ok, I'll go first.  This was my first attempt at it.

Yes, that's what I got, although I stopped when the triangle has that fast movement to the left. I will post it later, now I'm going to eat some chestnuts.

[deuem]

Well it sure would bring a whole load of "oh it's CGI" or "yeah adobe after effects" in the comments section from those trying to hide such tech from the masses!

It's actually a good ploy and I was swayed by the remarks even though I know nothing about Adobe after effects or CGI. So I'm guilty as charged Deuem.

Great that your dissecting this! There is more to this than first meets the eye.

It's interesting that you found 3 points of light on the craft. Fits with what's been reported in the past with these craft.

First daylight footage? One for the archives for sure.

With another member several years ago they put a UFO vid on line on Utube and it got all the same remarks, So we tried a test. I got the video first and worked it. Had my notes ready to go with back up work also ready. It was 1,2,3 upload and I was waiting. The instant it hit UT, I placed my notes first. Wow what a difference, all the good people came out of the wood work and rejoiced.

There were so many great comments that the poo slayers were not heard. They never even posted. So as far as I see it, he who posts first can change the entire thread good or bad.

Now Deuem does not care about what other people write because I have been through it so many times before. I know the people lurking on the side lines don't want to step in that bear trap and get insulted to death. They sort of need a point person that re-opens a door, then they will take that step.

It is a Psy game for sure. Who understands the game is the winner. But when a video like this rolls around I need to step up, no matter what. I do also understand that any video can be CGI. It is a question of how much effort they want to put into it.

There is a section that I was talking to Amy about [skype] trying to understand what they would have to do to CGI that effect. She told me it would take her weeks to do it right and even then the replacement pixels would not really match and might be able to be spotted. They would be out of color sync with the next one. Out of gradiant. Unless you spent antother 3 weeks fixing each one to be perfect. Yes it could be done but at what cost?

Some photos next.   Deuem

[deuem]

What you see....




What I see........



What I see when they warped out.  Now how does one CGI that. And do it in 5 minutes as they boost so well.



And that is a crop of the event. The actual lines went way off the crop. The program finds patterns. I see a full pattern of light here that radiated what 10 times the craft size. Is it CGI?

I don't think so. My judgements are made against my standards. I have no known standards that do this and also interfere with the atmosphere the way this one does.

Having fun yet?,
Deuem

[deuem]

A little silly Deuem note;

And for those who can't see what is going on, Yes I sit at my computer day and night drawing all those lines by hand. I go through 1 mouse a week..

Can you actually believe I have been told accused that I do this by hand? Just to fake people.
That gets an OMG!

Silly huh !

The run time for the new New Deuem Plugins is very quick, almost instant. The time I need depends on how much prep time is needed to get a photo to the program. This has now been done live on [skype] where people drop a photo and I process it and drop it back, within minutes.  This quick responce will show anyone that I am not drawing the lines, haha.

But when I do a well worked photo it can take hours sometimes. To get the balance perfect takes a lot of art to numbers time. many times the real part is hiding and I have to wipe away the distraction to get inside. That takes time.

Deuem

[stealthyaroura]

Can you actually believe I have been told accused that I do this by hand? Just to fake people.
That gets an OMG!

Silly huh !

Silly? That's more like damn stupid! And an insult ta boot

The Deuem process is a revelation  ( nice choice of word lol)

For me it shows that there is "life" to the objects. That's some impressive work on the craft!

I do have a grasp on the Deuem process. Enough to be confident in saying that is no cgi.

WOW just wow the tell tall 3 light configuration! We have a winner!!

Now it's really interesting. That needs copyrighting and a re-post on the tube
Nice job. Oh boy the video footage!!!! Full Deuem!!!!

That's made my night. Made me think too. Cool