The Plan

[zorgon]

The illustration was presuming the new tools We just now have.  Or did that get past You?

No but where are these new tools?

[zorgon]

Frankly, such bumbling would look very much like They didn't know what They were doing and therefore not suspect.  Meanwhile, the real task at hand, breaking Humanity and establishing a psychopath-run New World Order, goes on.  They really don't care if We struggle, in Our part of Their puppet show.

Well Frank back atcha

All I have to do is listen to these bozos to see that the bumbling is not an act, like that lady in the federal reserve 9 trillion video. As to the psychopath-run New World Order, they already outnumber everyone else according to conspiracy theorists. You yourself said ALL news is fake...

If all news is fake, how do you convince people your news isn't?  I see it here at Pegasus... 90% of what I present is never seen, ignored or goes in one ear and out the other.  If I spent half the time I spend posting listing stuff on Ebay I would be rich and able to go see Australia etc

There are over 120 spook agencies... Jack says it's closer to 500. They employ millions of people. Then you have the TSA, Blackberry, Cops, FEMA, etc etc etc.

Hard to beat that especially since THEY have the robots on their side already

[zorgon]

With the internet global system... if there WAS a true working device that would fall under "Free energy" it would be virtually impossible to stop it going viral

So...  You're saying the tech in the deepest of the depths of black projects is surely out on the web by now?  Am I catching Your drift?

No you missed my drift entirely.

I am saying with all the inventors out there with claimed working free energy gizmos... and the existeance of both the internet and the pirate network, IF there was a working free energy device that was viable, the PTB could NOT stop it from going viral.

The recent shut down of the internet in Egypt proved that point. Despite all efforts to keep it contained... the info got out anyway

John Searl is alive and kicking as are thousands of inventors even working on nuclear fusion devices all over the internet.

They are all alive and sharing.

Maybe if one of them actually makes one work, then 'da gubment' may step in...

But in my opinion, no one has made the breakthrough yet

I will bet enough toadies will come forth if the ideas reach Them.  Us sharp monkeys I think I can rely on...too. 

Agreed... that is what I am saying...  IF there was a working idea, it would reach the smart monkey toadies and go viral.  Since these smart monkey toadies haven't built it yet is proof that no viable, recreatable idea has yet hit the network

[Amaterasu]

It's not a matter of belief... it is a matter of direct evidence. Sure there may be some devices tucked away somewhere but you forget about GREED

While the US and some other nations may be happy with the Oil Barons.... there are other 'psychopathic despots' in the world that have no access to oil and are dependent on it to survive.

Those guys would pounce on it, develop it in secret and use it for their own advancement... instead of being at the mercy of oil. Hitler was brought to his knees literally because we cut off the oil...

Uh...  That assumes "Those guys" have the tech - or are even necessarily aware of it.  Sure, if the tech was Theirs.  But *I* think it is so well hidden THEY don't have it (and why WE out here don't have it either.  But, as I have said before, when the toadies realize They can live as richly or likely even more so, enough will come to the fore, and failing that, the rest of Us will develop it independently.

I used to think that maybe  yes "could be" But now I know that it's not. They are spending trillions on our dime yes, but unless this 'free energy' tech is being used off world, it is not being used here.  And even the NAVY is using laser transmission to beam wireless energy to Moon Base

Where is the energy being beamed coming from?  Do We see an energy bill?  Just sayin'.  And I propose that You don't know that it is not being used here in SOME capacity.

Like I said, They hold THAT tech close to Their chest; if it gets out, They lose Their power over the rest of Us.

[Amaterasu]

No but where are these new tools?

1.  Free energy:  Black projects

2.  Robotics:  Look around

3.  Interweb:  Look where You're looking.

4.  Personal recording ability:  look on Your mobile phone (if it's only a few years old)

[Amaterasu]

Maybe if one of them actually makes one work, then 'da gubment' may step in...

Guaranteed, and there is plenty of evidence that this has happened many times in the past.  Things like the guy My friend worked for who had an invention, all His own work, that My friend would set up and take down for demonstrations looking for investors.  He said the machine was overunity, and worked quite well.

One day the FBI swooped in and took everything and charged the inventor for patent violation (even though the patent in question was buried and not available).  Convicted the guy too.  Destroyed Him.

So yeah, when success happens They WILL try to suppress.

But in my opinion, no one has made the breakthrough yet

Agreed... that is what I am saying...  IF there was a working idea, it would reach the smart monkey toadies and go viral.  Since these smart monkey toadies haven't built it yet is proof that no viable, recreatable idea has yet hit the network

No, no.  The TOADIES already know, but are paid for Their silence (and threatened...).  The People on the outside of black projects are NOT toadies.

[deuem]

I guess I am still hung up on what free energy really means

If I build a wind mill and the wind gives me power is it free energy or energy/cost of said wind mill

If I make 115 at the cost of 100 million per gram and it gives me enregy is it energy/cost

The only thing I know of that is 100% free is sunlight. The minute we use it there is a cost.

free would mean that I take a+b make c, minus the cost of ab and still get more c. I have not seen this yet. Nuke power is the closest so far. 1 million times the power of oil. If the radiation was not a problem they would be god sent. Energy seems to have a cost no matter how it is made.

Deuem

[zorgon]

Like I said, They hold THAT tech close to Their chest; if it gets out, They lose Their power over the rest of Us.

That is your assessment... and I can see why you need to hold that thought...

However I don't agree with your assessment.

And if it IS that well hidden that the Military doesn't have access to it either, let alone "We the inventor peeps..." then it is a moot point anyway because by that logic the toadies will never get it.

At least if the Military had it some would trickle out. It always does and always has, albeit 30 years late

So if it is so hidden that the War Fighters cannot access it... then of what use is it?

[zorgon]

I guess I am still hung up on what free energy really means

"Let me be PERFECTLY clear...." ~ Richard Tricky Dicky Nixon

If I build a wind mill and the wind gives me power is it free energy or energy/cost of said wind mill

Correct  and a little for maintenance... but ANY energy system requires initial setup costs and building devices to harness and us it

The only thing I know of that is 100% free is sunlight. The minute we use it there is a cost.

This is incorrect  plasma energy is free... just harness the lightning.  Water power is free, just stick a wheel in the stream and let gravity do the work... wind is free... but you need a windmill. firewood is free... but you need a stove to burn it in and some effort to chop the wood.

All these are obviously free AFTER initial costs. So by that rule a mill puts a water wheel in a stream and gets free energy to power that mill. But at the same time when we make a hydro electric dam, it is really a glorified water wheel. You could effectively make 10 dams in series on a river and use the same water to generate 10 times the power.  This was proposed and offered in Canada. All the US had to do was put in the power lines. It would have created 10 lakes for fishing and storing fresh water and be able to make a hydrogen plant at the same time...

Power generated at a dam is FREE ENERGY... what you pay for is the service to bring it to your door. If you had your own river you could generate your own

But when we speak of FREE ENERGY in the conspiracy world and fringe science world... they mean OVER UNITY... a device that puts out more energy than it takes to run it

While a power dam is technically free because nature provides the water and gravity and that is not used up... it is not free in the OVER UNITY sense because you are merely converting one form to another... gravity uses water to tuns wheel kinetic energy... wheel turns copper coil within a magnetic field... voila!!! magically we get a flow of electrons  (which NO ONE on the planet knows what electriicty really is )

[Amaterasu]

I guess I am still hung up on what free energy really means

If I build a wind mill and the wind gives me power is it free energy or energy/cost of said wind mill

If I make 115 at the cost of 100 million per gram and it gives me enregy is it energy/cost

The only thing I know of that is 100% free is sunlight. The minute we use it there is a cost.

free would mean that I take a+b make c, minus the cost of ab and still get more c. I have not seen this yet. Nuke power is the closest so far. 1 million times the power of oil. If the radiation was not a problem they would be god sent. Energy seems to have a cost no matter how it is made.

Deuem

Yes, windmill power, if it's Your windmill, is free energy.  But also, any device that outputs more energy than input to run it.  When the extraction methods from the plenum ("vacuum") are released/rediscovered, We will have all the energy We can use.  Initially We will have to pay for these but once free energy is flowing, money will vanish, and any additional machines will be free.

That is your assessment... and I can see why you need to hold that thought...

However I don't agree with your assessment.

And if it IS that well hidden that the Military doesn't have access to it either, let alone "We the inventor peeps..." then it is a moot point anyway because by that logic the toadies will never get it.

At least if the Military had it some would trickle out. It always does and always has, albeit 30 years late

So if it is so hidden that the War Fighters cannot access it... then of what use is it?

Disagree all You want.  But it is FACT that all money accounts for meaningful energy expended.  Adding free energy WILL remove the need for money and thereby strip the "elite" of their power.

And I say it is FACT that They DO have ways of extracting energy from the plenum.  But again, it's merely My experience.  Belief by Others is optional.

[deuem]

This is incorrect  plasma energy is free... just harness the lightning.  Water power is free, just stick a wheel in the stream and let gravity do the work... wind is free... but you need a windmill. firewood is free... but you need a stove to burn it in and some effort to chop the wood.

All these are obviously free AFTER initial costs. [snip]

Z, I meant 100% free, even in your own notes you added after initial costs.

Take plants to the sun, they have no setup costs to drain the power they take except the act of being alive. Humans can not just lay in the sun to get fed nor can I get and extension cord long enough to plug into it.

Now if setup costs are low and output is very high then it works well. Nukes were suposed to do that, guess they lied on that one. One million times the power of Oil.....

Even over unity needs an initial kick to start. i guess we will only need 1 to get them all going..like falling Dominos?

I would like to see something that anyone can have, just to give them power and not rely on any power grids and break that cycle. Even if all I have to do is to add a cup of something once a week to make it happen. That something has to be cheap like salt or pixie dust.

Deuem

[The Matrix Traveller]

The answers do NOT exist in the World, because it is the end result and NOT the cause !

But you can find ALL the answers in the Place, where your experience (body and environment) is generated !

What I don't understand     is why no one will do this ....... or even try 

You can achieve this IF only you will try !   

LIFE wants to reveal ALL to you.... IF Only you would accept LIFE... and let LIFE show you.

There is NO Greater "Teacher" than LIFE !

All you have to do, is discover the "Real Self" and Its "Outer" End.

IF you discover this, then you shall find ALL the Answers.

They may be different that what you desire or expect, but never the less these Answers will be correct.


If you learn to Ask The RIGHT "Questions", you Shall find the Right Answers !

But if you Ask The Wrong Questions you Shall find the Wrong Answers

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Agreed... that is what I am saying...  IF there was a working idea, it would reach the smart monkey toadies and go viral.  Since these smart monkey toadies haven't built it yet is proof that no viable, recreatable idea has yet hit the network

A lot of them have gone viral, even though many are fakes, which makes it harder to spot the real ones.

The whole point of the I.G. is to evaluate and replicate all these devices, find the one that works best, and publish the plans, AFTER we put something on the market so we have some funding for the next stage.

voila!!! magically we get a flow of electrons  (which NO ONE on the planet knows what electriicty really is  )

Eggzactly, but i have seen these magical electron flows give a 4.8:1 power difference, so effectively, i have witnessed true overunity. Of course the energy was not created, it came from somewhere, we're not quite sure where, but hey, if it works, it works

Matrix, i understand your approach being 'why do we need all this energy' but it's part of the cure, like money is.
Z is right, you will need a lot of money to set up a money-free system....

So is it with energy also, we need LOTS of it, in order to get out of this rut & get some real science done, where we will no longer be talking in terms of 'how much energy does this device use?'..it will simply draw what it needs from Nature to do it's job, however much that may be, LOL
Later!

[Amaterasu]

The answers do NOT exist in the World, because it is the end result and NOT the cause !

But you can find ALL the answers in the Place, where your experience (body and environment) is generated !

What I don't understand     is why no one will do this ....... or even try 

You can achieve this IF only you will try !   

LIFE wants to reveal ALL to you.... IF Only you would accept LIFE... and let LIFE show you.

There is NO Greater "Teacher" than LIFE !

All you have to do, is discover the "Real Self" and Its "Outer" End.

IF you discover this, then you shall find ALL the Answers.

They may be different that what you desire or expect, but never the less these Answers will be correct.


If you learn to Ask The RIGHT "Questions", you Shall find the Right Answers !

But if you Ask The Wrong Questions you Shall find the Wrong Answers

Matrix, it may be that no One knows what "trying" actually means...  Do We hold Our breath?  Do We stand on Our heads?

How does One learn to "ask the right questions?"  How does this asking take place?  Seems to Me that the mess on this planet that We're in is because We did not know there were questions to be asked, let alone the "right" ones.

So now what?

[Amaterasu]

Now if setup costs are low and output is very high then it works well. Nukes were suposed to do that, guess they lied on that one. One million times the power of Oil.....

Even over unity needs an initial kick to start. i guess we will only need 1 to get them all going..like falling Dominos?

Even if the costs are high and the output low, doesn't matter.  As long as, over time, You see a net positive output, You have free energy, which will help remove the cost of things so that initial expenditure is irrelevant.

And yes, once one is in place and running, there will be a domino effect.

I would like to see something that anyone can have, just to give them power and not rely on any power grids and break that cycle. Even if all I have to do is to add a cup of something once a week to make it happen. That something has to be cheap like salt or pixie dust.

Not to worry.  "Plugins" will become available to run non-FE running items.  This will remove Us from the grid, and being free to do as We CHOOSE, We can then "go camping" anywhere on the planet and have all Our ammenities.