The Plan

[zorgon]

How long before A finds B and they clone brains for robots. The brain is still the best computer on the planet but they are catching up.

Sooner than you think, my friend...  and right in my backyard 

Pentagon's DARPA preparing to equip robots with 'real' brains


A robotics fan wears a button on his hat at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Grand Challenge in Primm Nevada. (Reuters / Gene Blevins)

Is the Pentagon trying to freaks us all out, or do they just want to give zombies something to eat? The Department of Defense is reportedly almost finished building robots with "real" brains.

That's according to National Defense Magazine, which this week profiled the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) lab and a little known project that has sucked down millions of dollars during the last few years: millions of dollars spent trying to replicate the human brain.

National Defense Magazine's Sandra Erwin explores the "physical intelligence" program this week, a research and development initiative launched back in 2009 in order to "to understand intelligence as a physical phenomenon and to make the first demonstration of the principle in electronic and chemical systems," according to the Defense Department's original solicitation.

Erwin says that four years later, a team of scientists led by University of California, Los Angeles Chemistry Professor James K. Gimzewski is just "inches away from the finish line" in terms of reaching their goal.

Gimzewski and crew have constructed a tiny machine, Erwin writes, that allows robots to attack independently. How independently? It won't rely on convention computer code used to program cyborgs and robots like the kind found in Hollywood sci-fi flicks, but instead use microscopic wires to emulate the electrical and chemical pulses sent from cell to cell within the human brain.

"Rather than move information from memory to processor, like conventional computers, this device processes information in a totally new way," says the scientist

Erwin continues:

"What sets this new device apart from any others is that it has nano-scale interconnected wires that perform billions of connections like a human brain, and is capable of remembering information, Gimzewski said. Each connection is a synthetic synapse. A synapse is what allows a neuron to pass an electric or chemical signal to another cell. Because its structure is so complex, most artificial intelligence projects so far have been unable to replicate it."

According to DARPA, "The objective of the implementation domain is to demonstrate the first human-engineered open thermodynamic systems that spontaneously evolve nontrivial 'intelligent' behavior under thermodynamic pressure from their environment."

"The objective of the analysis domain is to develop analytical tools to support the development of human-engineered physically intelligent systems and to understand physical intelligence in the natural world," the agency writes.

On the website for UCLA's Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering department, the goal of the "physical intelligence program" is described a bit more succinctly. "The project will not only lead to fundamental understanding about various physical and biological self-organization systems and origin of intelligence, but also practical applications such as the creation of next generation of electronic circuits with intelligent behaviors, and dynamic interactions/control of  biological systems," says UCLA's Yong Chen.

Dr. Gimzewski tells National Defense Magazine that a team of scientists have made great strides in the multi-million dollar project, even if it's the most ambitious one he's seen yet. But what happens when it's finally complete?

"It is not clear, however, that the Pentagon is ready to adopt this technology for weapon systems," writes Erwin, citing a Defense Department policy statement from last year that limits the Pentagon's power to make autonomous robots.

Meanwhile, though, other DARPA operations like the PETMAN project reported by RT earlier this week suggest it's only a matter of time before the military has some form or another of weaponized robot warriors.

http://rt.com/usa/systems-intelligence-robots-defense-781/

[sky otter]

Peggy people are not your targets for awareness


Well everyone at Pegasus IS aware of your program and ideas. Most agree that in principal they are good ideas for the future.

So your mission is accomplished

No amount of repeating it will change anyone's mind


well i disagree with this
Most agree that in principal they are good ideas for the future.


amy's vision of the  future is not my vision ..no where near what i want to see
and definitely not with robots of anykind..we are probably polar opposites in what we  want for the future



No amount of repeating it will change anyone's mind
except maybe to tune it out

i'm trying real hard not to be negetive or nasty..
and i am all for her doing what she can to make her dream come true.

i feel that way about all here..i support everyone who is working on whatever your dreams are
but
this particular subject has gotten to where i think we are at saturation point. and only circling over and over..no progress is being made
but then maybe that is what forums are all about..

Amy i hope you can find someone to sell your program in book form..you deserve to be heard
and we have heard you..

good luck

[Amaterasu]

In a nut shell....

You say "Make people aware"

Well everyone at Pegasus IS aware of your program and ideas. Most agree that in principal they are good ideas for the future.

So your mission is accomplished

I guess...  Does that mean I should stop posting My work here and direct Twits to other sites...?

No amount of repeating it will change anyone's mind. The questions being asked are all about the method of implementation... and you yourself admit you cannot answer that... that it will "just happen"

Not exactly.  The People with the heart and skills WILL emerge.  I rely on the natural stigmergy inherent in all social creatures.  I don't have the expertise, but I can point the path easily enough.

The issues I see...

ROBOTS

Many of us are not to keen on letting robots do that much for us... many believe that being human REQUIRES we work hard to gain personal advancement. You do not accept that there is more to life beyond this plane... so you make your case based on that belief.

And for those of You that believe You should live a given way...knock Yourself out.  If You would rather scrub the commode than have a robot do it - don't ask for a robot to do it.  Don't ask for any robots if You don't WANT them.  But don't think You therefore have the right to tell the One who WANTS them, They can't HAVE them.

And really, it is not in housekeeping and all where robots are important.  Little illustration:

There is a planet with 100 People on it.  It's a very small planet, but could support 1000.  The fields need 25 People (just grabbing a number) to work them.  14 People LOVE to farm.  They step right up.

They still need 11 more.  They have a choice.  Force, coerce, or bribe 11 People to work the fields - OR add 11 robots, freeing the 11 to do what They WANT to do.

No One is FORCING robots on anyOne, but that they are used where necessary work needs to be done and too few WANT to do it.

You can go live in that yert on the Mongolian steppes I keep bringing up, or in a cave, no robots to be seen.

I for one KNOW there is life beyond this one so I govern my life and actions accordingly. For this reason we will not see eye to eye on this plan in all details

You can be against religion all you wish, but if you don't take human nature into account, you will not prevail. Religion is control mechanism but a personal spiritual belief based on personal experience is NOT  You cannot fight that nor change that. The Communists tried and failed too.

Whoa!  Who put ANY religious spin in here?  I am not "against religion!"  I have My own view, and that's that, but I would NEVER push ANYONE around on THEIR spiritual path.  In TAP, communities of worshipers will likely spring up.  One can follow ANY path One CHOOSES and as long as One does not break the three Laws, who cares?

Too many great minds have deal with the Robot scenario and how easily and quickly THEY become the new masters... and this is in the back of people's mind.  Yes the BOTS ARE COMING... that is already written in stone...  question is will we be their slaves (even if that slavery is simply sloth and apathy)

In TAP, with open source and all, I think We can avoid issues of "robots taking over."  And in TAP, if YOU want to be slothful and apathetic, no skin off anyOne's noses, and none of Their damned business either.

FREE ENERGY

Your whole thesis rides on this... abundant FREE ENERGY

You and many others claim 'da gubment' is with holding such technology...  maybe... maybe not.

No "maybe" about it in My experience.  Whether You choose to believe or not...  Meh.  Nothing I can do about it.

Personally beyond solar power I don't believe THEY have it.  Despite all the inventors out there making claims, despite all the inventors at Pegasus working on a solution...  in my opinion NO ONE has yet broken through

Oh, I assure You, SOMEONE has it.  But again, that is from personal experience.  Believe, don't.  Whatever.

If they had, the Military would be using these power sources.  But they are not. All their money is going into making solar collectors, laser power transmission and plasma sources.

And You don't think They might be:

1.  Keeping use localized where They know They won't have to explain it
2.  Putting in such places (on Our dime) to enrich contractors and hide the actual mainstay of power production

Could be.  I put nothing past Them.

"Da gubment" is not that efficient... they can't even manage the current budget and health care. NASA is a Comedy Circus. The NAVY is testing tons of new weapons and power sources... but all plasma related. The big labs Sandia, Los Alamos, LLNL, NRL ARL... ALL working on plasma and nuclear fusion

Frankly, such bumbling would look very much like They didn't know what They were doing and therefore not suspect.  Meanwhile, the real task at hand, breaking Humanity and establishing a psychopath-run New World Order, goes on.  They really don't care if We struggle, in Our part of Their puppet show.

With the internet global system... if there WAS a true working device that would fall under "Free energy" it would be virtually impossible to stop it going viral

So...  You're saying the tech in the deepest of the depths of black projects is surely out on the web by now?  Am I catching Your drift?

So until such a device IS created... we are stuck in THIS paradigm and most of us will have to make do best we can.

I will bet enough toadies will come forth if the ideas reach Them.  Us sharp monkeys I think I can rely on...too. 

But we already HAVE the AWARENESS your selling 

Everybody who is reading?  I'll take Your word for it.  [smile]

[deuem]

You can go live in that yert on the Mongolian steppes I keep bringing up, or in a cave, no robots to be seen.

See Amy, that is problem 1 to solve.  If she hates robots then she has to move? Why does she have to move to Mongolia?  This sounds like the smoking in public problem.

I like Robotics, I may not like robots. As long as there are companies, the PTB will use those robots and fire the humans. Hey they do that now with robotics. It is why I stopped designing them and went to a human needed assisted production method. No humans, no production. Yea it can clean my toilet but don't sit at my desk.

Deuem

[Amaterasu]

Amy i hope you can find someone to sell your program in book form..you deserve to be heard
and we have heard you..

good luck

Oh.  Am I being dismissed, then?  Meh.

All of You behave as if "the regulars" here are the ONLY People involved.  You clamor for readership and then suppose We should not also have Them in mind as We type.

Frankly, I ALWAYS consider that a new mind might be touched.  But if skipping My posts is beyond the tolerance level of folks here, I can move My primary residence.

I suppose if this were said outside My li'l patch of ground here, I might choose more humble position at this point.  But here I am, in My section, and You come out rather swinging.

Sky, I want YOU to live in the manner YOU want to.  On Your pretty property with Your family of spirits about You.  Without worrying whether the tax collector or martial law tank will take it from You.

BUT...  I do NOT want to deprive ANYONE of THEIR blessed state, either.  To say, "No robots," automatically DENIES them of all Others.  You can make the rules on Your home domain.  If it be "no robots," so be it.  Join a community with the same values, even.

I mean...  Having the OPTION is what freedom is all about.

And as long as We persist with things as they are now, We will have to force, coerce or bribe People to do things They don't WANT to do.  Adding robots to take up slack in necessary work removes that necessity.  AND pulls the money(/power) rug out from under the psychopaths trying to march Us into Their uberrepressive New World Order.

[deuem]

I guess...  Does that mean I should stop posting My work here and direct Twits to other sites...?

No, Twitter has new people all the time and millions of readers, We have a very constant 500 membership and a few dozen constant readers/posters.

If your not careful on the amount of overload you present to the same few dozen people they will shut down or turn off and the tread dies with a lot of dis-like.

This site is the place to figure it out, not spread it out. If the brain power on this site can't figure it out then how are the average sheep going to do it. I think we are all very well informed on the idea and you need to now explore the HOWs.

If every twit came here to find out what to do instead of hearing the same spread news, your idea should spread faster and we get more members. In other words finding the same old same old after shifting sites gets old fast and I just click that little close box and move on for new ideas.

Maybe present the "next step" daily. And have a next step, not the same one from yesterday. To trip the entire world is like starting it all over again. Not easy.

Deuem

[sky otter]

dimissed..hardly

a differing point of view..yep..see that's where i am having a problem
you want respect for your ideas and wishes but  you tell others with different ideas to go live in a cave and not have robots..
but to let you have yours
the problem is we can't have it two ways unless someone
gives each fraction a contenent to themselves..
and then they still won't live in peace letting the other be other
with their piece..

that is the point Z it trying to make..humans are humans
and while you may be able to live in peace
others are not

unless the robots take the place of what you are calling
psychopaths... and we work for them under their rules..
it ain't gonna change much

and you telling me to go live on my property is redundant..i am
i have spend my life finding a way to work the system to MY benefit
and still stay under the radar

i had my own business and sold it to buy a horse and do competition
i made the choice to do that...
then i made the choice to go back to work at 40 and got into research..and when i got fed up i walked...
now did i have tons of luxury along the way..no.. but i found a way to enjoy every moment within the system

do i enjoy paying taxes.. no..but i can see where the money is going on this bottom level
to roads and infrastruction..that is currently in need of repair..cause folks 50 - 70 years ago made it work

i 'm sorry but into my brain has come a roger miller song just  as i type

maybe you have heard it

he sings
you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.. but you can be happy if you have a mind too
bwhahahahahaha

sorry ..wierd sense of humor just kicks in at the oddest times

no i do not live in the lap of plenty.. but i have enough
and if i go for less.. i will still have enough
because that is my choice
and i have abundance of joy in counting what i have


i am sorry that your life sucks and you haven't realized your dream
i am sorry for a lot of folks who no matter what don't see the blessings of where they are
because if you look at your life  - you are where you are by your choices along the way

i  don't want to fight with you or put you down but i feel you are missing the point others are trying to make..

but i still wish you the best

and for the record.. i ddin't realize that we had places here and that this one was yours
i picked up the topic on the side bar and just jumped in..
opps, i guess 



here ya go.. had to go find it

[Amaterasu]

See Amy, that is problem 1 to solve.  If she hates robots then she has to move? Why does she have to move to Mongolia?  This sounds like the smoking in public problem.

No, no, no.  SHE can ordain in Her living land (that land She lives on) ANYthing She wants.  She just cannot deny anOther something as long as the Laws are kept.

I like Robotics, I may not like robots. As long as there are companies, the PTB will use those robots and fire the humans. Hey they do that now with robotics. It is why I stopped designing them and went to a human needed assisted production method. No humans, no production. Yea it can clean my toilet but don't sit at my desk.

Deuem

And THAT's My point.  NO ROBOTS would deny You something that does not break the Laws.

Failed to read through that first time around. Mea culpa.  The "sitting at Your desk" won't happen unless You don't WANT to do what You are doing at Your desk, and would rather study something, go sailing, do a sculpture, write a play, or whatever.  Your basic needs are met richly and the tools are available if You WANT to.

[Amaterasu]

dimissed..hardly

a differing point of view..yep..see that's where i am having a problem
you want respect for your ideas and wishes but  you tell others with different ideas to go live in a cave and not have robots..

No.............  I said They CAN, if that is what PLEASES them.  I also have said You can have exactly what You have now without the worries of the NWO (taxes, tanks) - and likely a LOT more.  In terms of well-built tools, foods You would like to add to Your diet but either they are not available or You can't now afford them, artwork that the artists will gladly accept Your delight in Their work as payment...

but to let you have yours

Again, yeah. Both.  You have Your style and I'll have Mine. 

the problem is we can't have it two ways unless someone
gives each fraction a contenent to themselves..
and then they still won't live in peace letting the other be other
with their piece..

Why not have it two ways?  Why can't You who wants no robots just not have them?  Where's the problem?

that is the point Z it trying to make..humans are humans
and while you may be able to live in peace
others are not

All wars are incited, motivated by money, all news is fake, motivated by money, I see 99.9999999% of Humans NOT berserking daily but instead trying to get by with Those around Them as best They can.  Most can be bought at some level and then all evil is rooted, and We end up with what We have now.

And You think We will squabble when Our needs and many desires are met richly?  Really?

unless the robots take the place of what you are calling
psychopaths... and we work for them under their rules..
it ain't gonna change much

We ALL of Us work for Ourselves, Our families, Our friends, Our planet.  In whatever way creates bliss and does not break the Laws.  Freedom to find out just how good We really are, not having to fit in like replacing a cog.

and you telling me to go live on my property is redundant..i am
i have spend my life finding a way to work the system to MY benefit
and still stay under the radar

I did NOT tell You to go live on Your property.  I said THAT IS WHAT I WANT FOR YOU TO CONTINUE WITH.  I would take NOTHING from anyOne except power over Others.

i had my own business and sold it to buy a horse and do competition
i made the choice to do that...
then i made the choice to go back to work at 40 and got into research..and when i got fed up i walked...
now did i have tons of luxury along the way..no.. but i found a way to enjoy every moment within the system

All cool.  But tell Me, that child curled up dying of starvation with the buzzards patiently standing by awaiting death...  Think They are finding ways to enjoy that?

THAT is what I would end.

do i enjoy paying taxes.. no..but i can see where the money is going on this bottom level
to roads and infrastruction..that is currently in need of repair..cause folks 50 - 70 years ago made it work

And You don't think if the money problem were removed those roads wouldn't be kept to highest standards at all times?  Some People love to administrate and without money, it will happen when it needs to.

i 'm sorry but into my brain has come a roger miller song just  as i type

maybe you have heard it

he sings
you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.. but you can be happy if you have a mind too
bwhahahahahaha

sorry ..wierd sense of humor just kicks in at the oddest times

Not a problem.  My dad and I used to sing that together.  He was a big RM fan, and I too appreciate His work.

no i do not live in the lap of plenty.. but i have enough
and if i go for less.. i will still have enough
because that is my choice
and i have abundance of joy in counting what i have

If it's ME Y'all think isn't HAPPY, You have it all wrong.  I am having a BLAST!  But I will not rest until there are no children starving with or without the buzzards' attention.  To say to that, "I'm happy, so it does not matter on this planet..." I cannot fathom.

i am sorry that your life sucks and you haven't realized your dream

Yeah.  You presume much.  My life does not suck in any way. It is as is was to be.  Like I said, I'm having a blast.

i am sorry for a lot of folks who no matter what don't see the blessings of where they are

I am acutely aware of My blessings, and love Those who have chosen to bless Me.  I am also acutely aware of a few things:

1.  The NWO is nearly where They will succeed - time is crucial to have a direction to go.
2.  Buzzard-beset children DO NOT HAVE TO BE on this planet, but because We distribute good stuff by profit and bad stuff by profit, We overproduce food by about 25% and then throw out close to HALF.

So please excuse Me if My passion runs high on solving for money - or really, for having to input Human energy to survive.

because if you look at your life  - you are where you are by your choices along the way

You think I don't take full responsibility for who I am, where I am, and what I am?  Again, presuming much.  I don't blame anyOne. Geez.

i  don't want to fight with you or put you down but i feel you are missing the point others are trying to make..

It's mutual.

but i still wish you the best

It's mutual!

and for the record.. i ddin't realize that we had places here and that this one was yours
i picked up the topic on the side bar and just jumped in..
opps, i guess 

Fair enough, sky.  [smile]  I can see it happening.  Humble apologies for not seeing that perspective.

[deuem]

Failed to read through that first time around. Mea culpa.  The "sitting at Your desk" won't happen unless You don't WANT to do what You are doing at Your desk.  snip

I work for myself so yea but if worked for a company and the owners wishes were to have a robot work force, I would be wheeled out by a robot. Why would they need me, just to drink the coffee?

I think owners would replace workers as fast as they could. Hey no complaints, no medical insurance, no overtime, no vaction time, can work 24/7 and so on regardless if they are paying you.  I saw this happening and I stopped. Changed over to people related automation.

There are companies that are doing this now. Canon is one. They call it a black factory. Meaning no lights. All robotic. No people working there except a few syupid people who sweep the floor and oil the machines. The company used to hire real people that wanted to work there. I think that was the 50mm lens factory. So if I wanted to learn optics and make them I am out of luck to work there even if it is for free.

I am in a lot of construction/design here from time to time. If we had robots build all of our ghost cities then what do all the workers do. Oil them? If the construction company is robotic then it needs no workers. The diversity of different jobs will slowly come to a halt and then there will be nothing to do except paint a picture or pull weeds. What that really means to a lot of us is that the machines are running the world and I am secondary extra flesh decomposing thinking of what to do next.

Deuem needs a reason to live. i am already fat enough.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Something to think about, talking about Robots !

The human Primate is a "Biological Machine" controlled or driven by LIFE. (or a "Partition" of LIFE)

So what is more Important The "Biological Machine" (or Biological Robot, whether we want to accept it or not)
or is The LIFE which drives it more Important  ?

LIFE, being your "Real Self" and NOT the body or Environment experienced by the Real Self...

As you should know there is far more to LIFE, than the experience, i.e. the "Biological Robot" referred to as
the "human Species" or any other species in this little Universe.

The Flesh can't Love as the flesh doesn't even know it exists let alone your "REAL SELF",
i.e. LIFE or AWARENESS or Consciousness.

Your Body doesn't know you or anything else it is ONLY your Awareness which is AWARE
that is why it is called "Awareness" and NOT a Species or anything else !

So all that is happening is Some are trying to copy or mimic the human Primate.

But there is far more to it than simply a human or other Species.

The only part of a Human primate that can be replicated is ONLY Part of the "Biological Machine".
as for the other 80 % to 90 % of the Brain's functions, Science is so far from understanding it,
they may as well never considered he human brain in the 1st place... LOL.

So time for us all to Learn I guess.

Hell even RNA hasn't been mapped Yet and it will take more than 10,000 years to do it IF one can !

RNA was once considered as Junk but that was ONLY because it could NOT be understood
back then and still can't.

The "ROOT" of the challenge, is NOT in producing more Human Ideas we have been doing just that
for Thousands and Thousands of Years and we have got nowhere at all.

Time to lean about our "REAL SELVES" instead of the biological machine we experience.

Most on Earth are at WAR against LIFE so until we make peace with LIFE
we are just going to create our own pain and suffering again...

IF we put LIFE 1st then our difficulties will fade away into history !

So let's do something practical and get to know our "Real Selves" 1st !

Hell most don't even know their other End even exists !   

This is why most are at WAR with LIFE !

That is why you have Weapons in your world!

After All LIFE Produced ALL Species, so while we are against others, esp. civil servants etc.
which are also Humans, which LFE, your "REAL SELF" is part of, has produced.


One can NOT LOVE the "Tree" and HATE the Fruit" nor can one LOVE the "Fruit" and HATE the "Tree".

The "Tree" and the "Fruit" are inseparable !

The biggest hurdle for us to get over, is to Understand WHAT the World is really for,
and NOT tell LIFE what it should be as if we know more than LIFE !

What ever system we choose through the human primate it will self destruct...

So we need to LEARN from LIFE INSTEAD !

Just "Part" of our LESSSON we need to learn !


And YES I suffer the same as You and Others....   So lets do something Practical if we want to overcome
the world !

[deuem]

<blockquote>How long before A finds B and they clone brains for robots. The brain is still the best computer on the planet but they are catching up.</blockquote>   
Z: wrote Sooner than you think, my friend...  and right in my backyard 

Oh No, there almost here! I can see what they want to do. Thinking ground drones for one on one. they will make transformer type robotos that can blend in with the area until needed to attack. Why not, a ground drone can wait around forever. Look like a tree trunk or blown up car. Just drop the shell and go in for the kill. They need these for tunnels. Drones can only knock out the entrance if it can find it.
Ok, next step "Robodrones" They will sell it as a protection of our troups so they do not have to go into battle. Just a follow up of the air drones with much more capability..

Deuem

[The Matrix Traveller]

Oh No, there almost here! I can see what they want to do. Thinking ground drones for one on one. they will make transformer type robotos that can blend in with the area until needed to attack. Why not, a ground drone can wait around forever. Look like a tree trunk or blown up car. Just drop the shell and go in for the kill. They need these for tunnels. Drones can only knock out the entrance if it can find it.
Ok, next step "Robodrones" They will sell it as a protection of our troups so they do not have to go into battle. Just a follow up of the air drones with much more capability..

Deuem

Now there's an idea; Let the machines we build WAR against the other Machines we build,
and Let's get on with LIFE... 

That is, a Practical start !

[Amaterasu]

No, Twitter has new people all the time and millions of readers, We have a very constant 500 membership and a few dozen constant readers/posters.

If your not careful on the amount of overload you present to the same few dozen people they will shut down or turn off and the tread dies with a lot of dis-like.

This site is the place to figure it out, not spread it out. If the brain power on this site can't figure it out then how are the average sheep going to do it. I think we are all very well informed on the idea and you need to now explore the HOWs.

If every twit came here to find out what to do instead of hearing the same spread news, your idea should spread faster and we get more members. In other words finding the same old same old after shifting sites gets old fast and I just click that little close box and move on for new ideas.

Maybe present the "next step" daily. And have a next step, not the same one from yesterday. To trip the entire world is like starting it all over again. Not easy.

Deuem

I think You missed the point.  THIS is where I point to on twitter for People to read My work, Thor's work, and any other threads that are brought up here that I think should be read.

I was asking if I should be pointing elsewhere...  Mostly being a bit feceous.  Er...facetious.

I work for myself so yea but if worked for a company and the owners wishes were to have a robot work force, I would be wheeled out by a robot. Why would they need me, just to drink the coffee?

You just aren't seeing this.  Ok.  Things get cheaper and cheaper as We add free energy in the place of non-FE, then We go to food, clothing, shelter, water and ask People, do You love what You do or can We fill Your position with someOne who does (or failing that, a robot), give You $2000 a month, or if You're in banking, insurance, advertising, accounting, sales, cashiering, Wall Street, or other position dependent on the money system to even exist, when You lose Your job, until money is fully removed, We'll give You $2,000 a month to.  And if People who are working and are not getting that, We'll give it to Them, too.

Most factories use many robots already.

I think owners would replace workers as fast as they could. Hey no complaints, no medical insurance, no overtime, no vaction time, can work 24/7 and so on regardless if they are paying you.  I saw this happening and I stopped. Changed over to people related automation.

There are companies that are doing this now. Canon is one. They call it a black factory. Meaning no lights. All robotic. No people working there except a few syupid people who sweep the floor and oil the machines. The company used to hire real people that wanted to work there. I think that was the 50mm lens factory. So if I wanted to learn optics and make them I am out of luck to work there even if it is for free.

I am in a lot of construction/design here from time to time. If we had robots build all of our ghost cities then what do all the workers do. Oil them? If the construction company is robotic then it needs no workers. The diversity of different jobs will slowly come to a halt and then there will be nothing to do except paint a picture or pull weeds. What that really means to a lot of us is that the machines are running the world and I am secondary extra flesh decomposing thinking of what to do next.

Deuem needs a reason to live. i am already fat enough.

So...  What You did was thinking in essence, We have a lot of Humans that need jobs, because They need money or They don't survive, and so I will stop work on the robots so We will use Humans as robots so They can feed themselves so that They can perform as robots.

Did I get that right?  Why perpetuate that when Those People can be creating art and science and living richly?

Again, do You love to teach?  Teach.  Do You love to process photos and talk to friends? Do that.  Do You love to build robots?  Do that.  If You need to be paid to motivate You to anything at all, that's sad.

[The Matrix Traveller]

 

We have a lot of Humans that need jobs, because They need money or They don't survive

If we take into account ALL the species in the Earth Program the human species is a very, very, small minority,
YET the human species is the ONY Species which NEEDS $$$$$... Now that is very, very, Sad !

$$$$$$$ = Non Cooperation !

Non Cooperation = Failure.... which ever way you like to look at it !

So let's look at things in another way, because we are NOT succeeding at present !
Going by the wares in the market place.

So we need to have a long, long, look at ourselves including myself, and start to LEARN !