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[sky otter]

 

apologies for saying toy science..

Watch it you lot.  ALL of the arts and sciences should be able to learn from one another....i am in total agreement with you on this.

Hi primander
i think i was trying to say exactly what you did..Don't judge a book by its cover.
and only explaining where i was coming from and that it is usually not the 'accepted' end of the energy studies..
i am so used to being ragged on for the woo woo stuff..i try and get the fact that that is where i am coming from out of the way..but by no means was i trying to vilify the hard sciences..
lol..they are really closer than most want to admit

i think conversation on all of it would help in each ..but i did want to make clear the direction i was coming from with my question..

i see/feel energy from the biological end of it..plants and people and rocks and colors and i find value to everything
the only real distinction to me is what we know vs what we have yet  to learn.

i have also studied and used  the para sciences and i know that everything is energy  only seperated by the packaging..

[Pimander]

No need to apologise, I didn't feel personally attacked or anything.  I'm just very conscious how much I have understood my "other interests" better because of rather than in spite of my scientific background.

[sky otter]

 

I have understood my "other interests" better because of rather than in spite of my scientific background.

a good frame of reference is always helpful

[starwarp2000]

Watch it you lot.  ALL of the arts and sciences should be able to learn from one another.  Don't dismiss what main stream science offers.  Don't forget, there is an invisible side to what scientists do privately in both academia and industry.

My interest in physics and astronomy is almost a hobby, although I have taught physics.  I am a molecular genetics/biomedical scientist.

I have studied para sciences for just as long and am also an initiate of sorts.  And no I'm not a Mason, I'm a real initiate - most Masons know sweet FA.  I almost NEVER let on everything I know because it gives me information on who is where.  Don't judge a book by its cover.

It was me that used the term 'Toy Science' first  Sky Otter was just merely quoting me.

Let me try and extrapolate the meaning that I wished to convey!

Firstly, my background is in Electrical/Electronic Engineering and Avionics/Space Sciences. In the context of the sentence I used that term, it was to convey the difference between our Sciences and that of an Advanced Extraterrestrial one.

In my career i have come to the conclusion that we don't really know what reality is, as we assume certain things about reality, and produce theories based on those, mostly completely isolated from reality!
This has been demonstrated, in that, we have completely inadequate theories for Heat, Light, Electricity (Magnetism and Dielectricity),  Cosmology, Stellar Mechanics..... etc. etc. (The list goes on)!

You are correct in your assumption that a 'Different' Science goes on behind 'closed doors', and the really disheartening part of that is that they are mostly for Military Applications! (Finding better ways to kill one another).

So, in my use of that term, I was merely highlighting the fact, that we, the 'mainstream' scientists are like the 'blind leading the blind', in that our assumptions have retarded out advancement and will do so in the future, if we don't change our 'World View'.

P.S. If i disparaged Scientists, I am sorry, but in doing so I have disparaged myself, which is OK, because i am Australian 

[Pimander]

Completely with you on the world view thing.  It also has implications for consciousness and neuroscience but that conversation can wait.  There is still merit in scientific methods even though they are being wrongly directed/applied.

[starwarp2000]

There is still merit in scientific methods even though they are being wrongly directed/applied.

Completely with you on that one, Pim!

I have been slowly doing that over the last 10 years (all the while 'hiding' my actions from my peers) and have come to a greater and greater understanding of 'things', not by dropping the Scientific Methods, but my applying them 'properly' and within context.

Here is to the rest of our Colleagues doing the same.

[Captain Dave]

Ok, so if there is sentient life there, perhaps they are doing the same things as us - trying to figure out a viable way to send a recognizable signal.

Sooo, given that we don't know their level of technology and they don't know ours, perhaps they have been listening to us in some way for awhile?

Now, doesn't it seem like a coincidence that as of late we have been hearing strange sounds coming from the sky? If they are anything like us perhaps the message they are sending is simply a dicernable sound?

Maybe it's like the movie "Close Encounters" and simple sound is being used to let us know they know?



[ Side note: ]
[ Well, here's another WAG, how long have our television signals been broadcast out into space?  I know I watched Close Encounters over 30 years ago on Public TV! ]

If we knew where and when these sounds were heard on our Planet, couldn't we check our planets rotation at the time the sounds were heard to see if these sounds might be coming from the direction of that Planet?

If at this point they have figured out how to listen for amplified sounds coming from our planet, we might want to get out the old Synthesizer & Lightboard to send a message out ASAP. If they do hear us, and have the tech to respond quickly, we might just get a fast response back...?

[Pimander]

Here is to the rest of our Colleagues doing the same.

Cheers.

[starwarp2000]

I've seen the effect of sound on reality as we think it is..never could replicate it though sadly

EDIT to Add to make things clear: 

I could never replicate an odd sound experience I had noodling with an analog synth which caused a "white out" .  One in a million hit to find that combo of sounds which melt reality right proper so to speak

What you are talking about Soma, is called Phase Conjugate Sonics!

I don't know if you have heard of it, but there is also Phase Conjugate Optics, wherein, 4 laser beams are mixed using a Non-Linear Medium (like Plasma) and from the resultant Heterodyne (+, -, & Individual Freqs), all sorts of phenomena occur: Order out of Chaos, Energetic States with no Excitation (No cause and Effect) etc. etc.
In the Sonic type, the same thing occurs but this time using Piezo Transducers (The air being the Non-Linear Medium).

Because you used an Analog Synth you would have produced all the harmonics which are very small or non-existent in a Digital Synth.

Anyway, here a few links to check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics
http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/Spatial/Spatial.htm
http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/HRezBook/Chap1.pdf
http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/webstuff/hr1/hr1.html

Enjoy! 

[stealthyaroura]

Just a quick "heads up" to all posting and reading, this has
turned into an epic thread! Very educational and interesting.
I've learnt a great deal from this thread keep it coming
qwantum mechanics etc, ACE! love it.