Amercian Judge Says: Ok to Beat Someone Attacking Islam

[starwarp2000]

Last October, atheist Ernie Perce wore a zombie Muhammad costume to a Halloween event.  Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, confronted Perce about his costume, told him it was offensive and then started to beat him.  The attack was caught on video.

Elbayomy was arrested and charged with assault.  At the trial, there was testimony presented by an officer who witnesses the attack along with the video.  Judge Mark Martin, then dismissed the case against Elbayomy and lectured Perce about the sensitivities of the Muslim culture.  In court, Martin told Perce,

"They are so immersed in it and what you've done is you've completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very, very, very offensive. I'm a Muslim.  I find it offensive."

A number of legal experts, along with others, are calling for Martin to be removed from the bench for his actions.  Among them is Matt Staver of the Liberty Counsel who said,

"This particular judge actually had the audacity to rule in favor of the attacker, saying that the attacker was compelled to attack this individual because it was an insult to Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

"This situation is one involving a judge that needs to be removed from the bench.  He is clearly instituting sharia from the bench, using sharia law as a basis to ultimately acquit a person who actually committed an assault and a battery against an individual."

http://godfatherpolitics.com/3937/judge-says-ok-to-beat-someone-attacking-islam/

Sharia Law is not American Law! The only reason this judge is allowed to voice his filth is Obama.

[ArMaP]

The only reason this judge is allowed to voice his filth is Obama.

Really? I thought all judges were allowed to speak in court.

[deuem]

Really? I thought all judges were allowed to speak in court.

Well I guess you missed the entire point of the article. The judge is in the wrong country. In the US, you can not beat someone up because you don't like their costume. No matter what it is. The judge needs to be removed. Period!

He could have said that he finds it offensive but ruled the other way. Law is law! I didn't know the US changed to Sharia Law. An act like this has the possibility to escalate into Civil War. As it stands now France will be the first country to convert, with England in a close second. I wonder what will happen then. Will the French people just move out? or convert. WWIII coming soon to a country near you.

What do you do with people that burn flags? Same thing? This is what happens when you mix Church and State. The US was founded on them being two seperate items, never to be mixed. Seems some politicans are using this as a stepping stone to further their own ideals.

[ArMaP]

Well I guess you missed the entire point of the article.

I did not, I was commenting the comment, not the article.

The judge is in the wrong country.

Not necessarily, but his opinion is not in accord with US laws, as far as I know them, but he can say what he wants in court, even if he may be punished for it after.

In the US, you can not beat someone up because you don't like their costume. No matter what it is. The judge needs to be removed. Period!

I agree.

He could have said that he finds it offensive but ruled the other way. Law is law! I didn't know the US changed to Sharia Law.

That's not really Sharia law.

An act like this has the possibility to escalate into Civil War.

I doubt it.

As it stands now France will be the first country to convert, with England in a close second.

Convert to what, Sharia law?

I wonder what will happen then. Will the French people just move out? or convert. WWIII coming soon to a country near you.

I don't think so.

What do you do with people that burn flags? Same thing? This is what happens when you mix Church and State. The US was founded on them being two seperate items, never to be mixed. Seems some politicans are using this as a stepping stone to further their own ideals.

I agree, but if it was a Christianity based decision it (probably) wouldn't even be in the news.

[ArMaP]

Now you made me look for another source (I don't have any reason to trust a site called godfatherpolitics.com), and I found this.

According to that article (from 2012/02/27), the judge dismissed the case because of "lack of admissible evidence", as it was "one man's word against the other and that the video is inadmissible".

[deuem]

What say ye Starwarp?

[VillageIdiot]

The judge should be removed from the bench. He ruled based on his religion not the facts. I think this is a disturbing precedent.

Muslims are wrecking Europe. Are we now going to allow them to wreck the US?

Islam - the religion of destruction.

[Elvis Hendrix]

       

               " Islam - the religion of destruction "

Thats a rather large can of worms your opening there sir..

Dont cha think?

[starwarp2000]

Now you made me look for another source (I don't have any reason to trust a site called godfatherpolitics.com), and I found http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html this.

According to that article (from 2012/02/27), the judge dismissed the case because of "lack of admissible evidence", as it was "one man's word against the other and that the video is inadmissible".

LOL! Did you actually read that article? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

It says exactly what the other article says: The case 'against' the Muslim man was dropped! The case was the 'victim' accusing the Muslim man of assaulting him!
So godfatherpolitics.com is exonerated!

In America, which was instituted on Christian Laws, these laws and only these laws are to be upheld. All other laws, from other religions, are void.
Do you see Christian law being upheld in Iran?
No! You see Christians being slaughtered by them.

So why does Obama appoint these pro_Muslim judges?
That was what the article was hinting at!

[starwarp2000]

Lets continue:

Writing for American Atheists, Al Stefanelli said he was particularly concerned with portions of Judge Martin's remarks where he "offers a lesson on Islam."

According to a transcribed audio recording of Martin's remarks posted to YouTube by Perce, which was later re-transcribed for clarity by the National Review Online, the judge told Perce that "what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive."

Judge Martin continued:

If I were a Muslim, I'd find it offensive. But you have that right, but you're way outside your boundaries or first amendment rights. This is what, and I said I spent about 7 and a half years living in other countries. when we go to other countries it's not uncommon for people to refer to us as ugly Americans this is why we are referred to as ugly Americans, because we are so concerned about our own rights we don't care about other people's rights as long as we get our say but we don't care about the other people's say.

Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, wrote that wherever Martin's religious leanings may fall, the greater issue is that "his legal views seem grotesquely out of place."

"There are legitimate uses of the culture defense. However, when it comes to free speech, that is not just our controlling constitutional right but the touchstone of our culture," Turley wrote. "... I view this as an extremely troubling case that raises serious questions of judicial temperament, if not misconduct."

Since the controversial ruling was handed down, Perce says he has received hundreds of death threats.

"People have said that they would kill me, rip my eyes out, run me over, shoot me and then laugh at me, since I have blasphemed Muhammad," Perce told The Daily Caller. "They say I will be found out and hung in front of my family."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

Yes, a Judge can say anything he likes, just like you can say anything you like....... but he is subject to the law and so are you!

[starwarp2000]

       

               " Islam - the religion of destruction "

Thats a rather large can of worms your opening there sir..

Dont cha think?

might want to read this Elvis: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/411301.aspx

Iran's president believes Allah has chosen him to prepare the world for the coming of an Islamic 'savior' called the Mahdi.

But before the Mahdi's return, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes (Not just him, all Muslims) there must be global chaos - even if he has to create it himself.

"The Mahdi will take Jesus to Mecca, they will circum-ambulate the Kabah together. The Mahdi will teach Jesus to pray; at which time Jesus will then replace the Gospel with the Koran, and then all of us Christians, wherever you are on the face of the earth, will convert to Islam because Islam will be deemed the one lasting pure religion."

So before the Islamic Messiah's return, there has to be Chaos. If it doesn't exist, his followers must create it. If that isn't the 'religion of destruction', what is?

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/411301.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

[Elvis Hendrix]

This subject in my opinion is a hornets nest, and quoting christian propaganda machines like http://www.cbn.com/about/ for evidence,
gives no credence at all.
Its an unwinable mess and as history has shown, always has been.
So as i am to cowardley to continue this conversation, in case i am shot or beheaded by either party concerned, I will jump on my internet bus and get the hell outa here.



Elvis.

[starwarp2000]

CBN link was just a cross-link to an article in the New York Times.

You should have followed the link to that other great repository of information: Wikipedia 

You are correct Elvis: It is a can of worms! Although i don't condone either view, I also don't discriminate against either viewpoint. Just keep it in their country and we will be all happy.

I for one am waiting for them to come for me, I have a surprise for them 

P.S.: The source of the information doesn't detract from the accuracy of the information on the Mahdi.

[ArMaP]

LOL! Did you actually read that article? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

Yes, I read all I could find, that's how I noticed that this (the rulling) happened on February 2012, hardly current events.

It says exactly what the other article says: The case 'against' the Muslim man was dropped! The case was the 'victim' accusing the Muslim man of assaulting him!
So godfatherpolitics.com is exonerated!

No, it does not. The godfatherpolitics.com article says:
"Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, confronted Perce about his costume, told him it was offensive and then started to beat him."
The huffingtonpost.com (and the other linked articles) say that Perce said:
"He grabbed me, choked from the back, spun me around to try to get [my "Muhammad of Islam" sign] off that was wrapped around my neck"

The godfatherpolitics.com article says:
"Elbayomy was arrested and charged with assault"
I couldn't find any reference to arrests, but an article from pennlive.com linked in the huffingtonpost.com article says:
"Police have identified a suspect, but no charges have been filed as the incident remains under investigation, Sgt. Brian Curtis said."
The godfatherpolitics.com article says that the judge said:
"I'm a Muslim.  I find it offensive."
The huffingtonpost.com article says that a re-transcription "for clarity by the National Review Online" says that the judge said:
"If I were a Muslim, I'd find it offensive"
The godfatherpolitics.com article says that the judge:
"dismissed the case against Elbayomy and lectured Perce about the sensitivities of the Muslim culture"
, the huffingtonpost.com article says why the judge dismissed the case (he said that it was "one man's word against the other and that the video is inadmissible").
The godfatherpolitics.com article says that the judge "lectured Perce", thge huffingtonpost.com article says what the judge said, basically that Perce was too worried about his rights that he was ignoring other people's rights.

So no, I will not trust any thing coming from that godfatherpolitics.com site, as they changed the meaning of some things and did not mentioned other things to point the readers in the direction they wanted.

In America, which was instituted on Christian Laws, these laws and only these laws are to be upheld. All other laws, from other religions, are void.

What other law was upheld in this case?

Do you see Christian law being upheld in Iran?

No, and neither do I see Christian law being upheld in Portugal, as our law is not based on religious laws.

No! You see Christians being slaughtered by them.

No, I do not see that.

So why does Obama appoint these pro_Muslim judges?
That was what the article was hinting at!

After a quick search I found out that Judges in Pennsylvania are elected, not appointed by the president.

[burntheships]

While the discussion is a difficult one, it does bear saying that
there seems to be a double standard being applied; in favor of Islam
all over the world. And yes, I would say that this judge is biased.

As we speak, in Malaysia it seems it is now not allowed
for those who are not Muslim to speak the name Allah.

I kid you not:

Islamic authorities in Malaysia on Thursday seized 321 Bibles from a Christian group because they used the word Allah to refer to God, signaling growing intolerance that may inflame ethnic and religious tension in the Southeast Asian country.

The raid comes after a Malaysian court in October ruled that the Arabic word was exclusive to Muslims, most of whom are ethnic Malays, the largest ethnic group in the country alongside sizeable Christian, Hindu and Buddhist minorities.

That ruling overturned a court decision that allowed a Roman Catholic newspaper printed in Malay, the country's national language, to use Allah.

The change has heightened concern that religious authorities, which issue rulings for Muslims and operate alongside civil courts, now have more legal muscle.

Analysts say new rulings that affect non-Muslims could be a way of deflecting anger against Prime Minister Najib Razak's government from poor Malay Muslims over subsidy cuts likely to force up electricity, petrol and sugar prices.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/02/us-malaysia-religion-idUSBREA010C120140102