Would Dinosaurs have become Humanoid if they had not been wiped out ?

[astr0144]

How dinosaurs might have evolved.

A thought provoking video/article that I think could relate to the reptilian species of ETs..that Maybe Not all Dinosours were wiped out ! Some become the Reptilian species that we know about !

Not sure if this belongs in the Alien section or under another topic.
Please move accordingly

A hypothetical look at how dinosaurs could have evolved into sophisticated dinosauroids had the meteoroid not wiped them off the planet. From BBC show Horizon - My Pet Dinosaur.


http://uk.screen.yahoo.com/video/playlist/horizon-my-pet-dinosaur/

[Cosmic4life]

Probably yes .... or maybe not ... brains the size of Walnuts comes to mind ... being at the top of the Tree they probably would have remained big and stupid until something came along to force an intelligence boost.

Although we ourselves have ancient systems ... the oldest part of our brains is the R-complex ... the reptile component ... for much of our lineage we were the Huntee and not the hunter ... necessity is the mother of invention and evolution ... the prospect of being Dinner concentrates the mind.

But to answer the question ... yes there was plenty time and scope for a Saurian Humanoid to develop into a high Technology Civilization ... also plenty of time for it to collapse and disappear into the mists of the ancient past without a trace.

C..

[Elvis Hendrix]

I'm having more and more of a problem with the Darwinian thing the older I get. The whole macro evolution idea is losing me. I mean here's the perfect idea.. Dinosaurs into men.. Right. Let's dismiss the millions of years in between,and consider the basic premise.
Can one species metamorphosize even small aspects/ traits of another?
In my opinion no. I've never seen it.
Darwin took his ideas from watching and documenting Galapagos finches.
He marveled at how certain strains of the bird had bigger or different shaped bills in order to fulfill thier individual tasks.
I get that.
But I don't get cross species evolution at all.
Show me an interim specimen in any stage of matamorphosis..
The old "missing link" you know.
Half man half ape.
And I've seen Lucy. And I don't buy it.
Just a thought of course.

Elvis.

[astr0144]

It is weird how such large beasts had such small brains , low IQ when you look at the size of their bodies.

Not all Dinosaurs were large however...some had smaller bodies and maybe larger proportional brains.

Then some were more like lizards as we know today..

some say having a large body if you don't have a large brain takes up the brains capacity just in dealing with the body..not allowing much room for IQ...

It does make one question Darwins theories at times.

As some reptiles like Crocodiles / lizards have survived...since the Dinosaur age.... who knows what may have happened...

Or if E.T did arrive back then what they may have created..

So maybe the reptilian species that we know about could have evolved from that age !

There a rumour one lives on an Island in a  Castle In Scotland...
and is very Intellegent !

[ArMaP]

How dinosaurs might have evolved.

Some dinosaurs evolved as birds, some as crocodiles and turtles, not all were extinct.

[Somamech]

It's an interesting topic as some Plant Life from that Era still Survive as the Plant they were in that era according to Plant Biologist's.

This plant was thought extinct till recently, my Dad has one of the first generations via seed collecting in his backyard due to his connections in botantical scenes. 

http://www.wollemipine.com/index.php



To me it make's much more sense Era's were wiped out to some degree and some survive and some adapt to the extiction level event.  Normal Cycles really

[Phedre]

I'm having more and more of a problem with the Darwinian thing the older I get.

I am with you Elvis H. It seems even Darwin had some problem with his own theory at the end of his life.  It would seem that we have become so accepting and unquestioning of some pretty old theories,  that we have just given up.   

[Elvis Hendrix]

Som,
Yea eras coming to an end and the hardy staying put..
I'm all with that. I mean who's gonna mess with a croc or a great white?
No matter how big you are.
Phedre,
Even Darwin suggested his theories where a work in progress.
Hmm..
You know what it's nice to discuss without the religious aspect creeping in.
Which is what would happen on other forums.
Peggy rules.

[rdunk]

Well Elvis, since you mentioned it............."religion" does not have to creep in, as it just IS! Whether anyone mentions it or not, ALL know that it is there, and always will be.

So, in this case, I do agree with you and Phedra relative to the OP topic question. From a human thinking standpoint, I compare the Darwinian proposal to be much similar to the Global Warming proposal of today - that is trying make a human idea become recognized fact. Actually, the global-warmers probably have a little more pseudo-basis of fact because in the recent past temperatures have been somewhat warmer in some areas, but that fact certainly does not support direct human influence on such.

No, some ideas of man on so many occasions have come to be recognized as being absolutely wrong - maybe none any more well known than is the "flat-earth" accepted thought at one time. IMO flat earth idea would fit right in with these other two!!

[zorgon]

How odd... I did a thread on this but now I cannot find it

[zorgon]

Troodon Sapiens






http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Reptilian_Troodon_Sapiens.html

[zorgon]

Those skeptics at the end of that film LOL  saying it's bogus and what THEY 'think' dinos would have become...

They forgot about the RAPTORS

[rdunk]

How odd... I did a thread on this but now I cannot find it

Is this the OP what you are thinking about?? No that was astr0's, still looking........maybe this is it?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1444.msg17450#msg17450

[deuem]

Ok another view,

If what scientist say is true about our brains and the fact we only use 10% of it the the rest is gray baggage. Now take that 10% size and stuff it in a Raptor and you got it. A lot of our inteligence comes with the fingers being able to hold things and then figuring thing out. We became problem solvers and took a step up. Control of fire another step and talking with a large vocabulary.

So does the size of the brain stunt IQ or limit the amount of memory. Like getting a larger Hard Drive. The CPU does all the real work no matter how large it is. Any animal that is smart enough to hunt and kill is close to humans. That is not an easy task to do to survive. Humans just took that trait to the 10 level. We enjoy killing everything in our path. So what is inteligence?

The idea that Raptors would move up the chain makes sence. They were late in the line of Dinos and taking over. I see no real reason why they could not have been or would be in contension with humans. If they didn't get blown off the planet, maybe they would be in charge and we would be their pets.

I think the real question is when does a brain mature enough to be self aware? At that moment it all depends on the world your living in and how you respond to it as to what is next. That is the point of decission. The moment greed came into the picture the brain would mature more to handle this idea and start problem solving and go up the food chain. Content is last. The brain once it is satisfied will stop growing and veg out at that level waiting for more greed to step out again.

Deuem

[ArMaP]

If what scientist say is true about our brains and the fact we only use 10% of it the the rest is gray baggage.

Do scientist really say that? I think that what they say is that we usually don't use more than 10% or 15% of our brains in any given moment, but we use all parts of the brain.

It's even possible that we don't use it all because of how "expensive" it is to make the brain work, 20% of the energy our bodies use is used by the brain.