The World Is Building Up To Something

[burntheships]

Money ie the coins - the paper this is not what is in question surely.

Money is inanimate, so lets move the discussion past the
word money to get to the heart of the issue.

Money is an idea, it is a system.

The use of a money system is not equal to coveting
money - as the system has been in existence from the
time when people bartered.

So then, is bartering also coveting?

Not in my estimaiton....
nor is the use of a money system.

"Love of money"

This is not the word love as we use it in
I love you - this is the idea of "lust" or
coveting.

Therfore one could argue that the love of money
actually equals the lust of money.
Coveting money - which is not coveting coins and paper

[WarToad]

No it does NOT "ignore Human nature."  Virtually ALL of Us, with no pressure to survive, would NOT instigate wars to profit from weapons sales to both sides, would NOT try to sell poisons as "medicine" so as to have "customers for life," would NOT try to take ownership of rain falling on Others' property, would NOT defraud, would NOT hold People up at gunpoint, would NOT make "laws" to profit off Human incarceration, would NOT tell People They need surgery just to make money from the procedure, would NOT "patent" seeds that have genetic alterations and try to corner food production, would NOT spew "carbon credits" to profit off breathing and living.

No fantasy; 50+ years of research, analysis, critical thinking, and a full grasp of Human motivation.

But...  If You think I am wrong, rather than merely claiming I don't take Human nature into account and claiming fantasy as well, please, DESCRIBE the errors, with illustration and examples.

Medicine is "poison"?  LULZ!  Saved my daughters life when her heart stopped, so I call BS on that.  And my father-in-laws cardiac disease. Because of medicine they do have customers, because they have longer healthier life.

And where are these wonder robots you speak of?  Someone has to make them, that costs money.  They'll have to be sold to make that up.  Once they're bought and at work there's profit that needs to be made to pay for them.  So what they create or harvest will need to be sold.  There's nothing free along the way.

And you think there's no criminal minds among us?  No preditors?  No savages?  Prisons exist for a reason.  The worst of the worst who will gut you stem to stern for no reason.  Money is not an issue.

And no wars?  Tell me when there has not been war and conflict in human history in any century, any decade.  Not even over money or resources.  It can be ethnic.  Religious.  Political in ideology.  Your TAP doesn't even address war in nature.

I agree carbon credits are BS.  Business should be allowed to operate as supply/demand dictates.

And human nature is self centered when push comes to shove.  We see it around us all day every day.  Fortunately we also see acts of kindness.  But you don't have to look far for the dark underbelly of human nature.  It's in the headlines every day.

[astr0144]

Now then Matrix,

Why does age stop you flying Gyrocopters ?

I seen an 89 yr old flying in one on TV...

Wing Commander Kenneth Wallis, who has died aged 97, was a ... he flew as Sean Connery's stunt double in the 1967 James Bond film You Only Live Twice. ... One interviewer observed that if a screenwriter had invented Wallis, with ... set a world speed record for an autogyro of 129.1mph at the age of 89.

That is age  only an illusion is it not in our Meat Suit program ! is it not and that in our real LIFE..is age NOT a barrier ! 

Also why are you not Flying in UFO Saucers ! 

You preach that you know How to do this...why aren't you!   

I get the feeling that you are winding us up !...

Stopped selling these (Similar) some years ago now, realised It wasn't taking me anywhere... LOL.

So I looked in other areas ....   


Still having Fun though.   

Too old for Gyrocopters now, so play with RC ones.

Had one taken away from me though, the other day !

Lost contact with it with RC ... Something failed I guess ..

Still haven't got it back it yet, Probably never see it again ... !

Guess I haven't been revealing enough to others on Peggy ?

I used this RC model socially, with my grandson who has one too.

[rdunk]

One of the biggest fallacies in this thinking regarding money is, there was a time in this world when there was "no money" at all. Even today, there are a few remote areas where there is still no money. Likewise, until more recent times, there was no pharma, there was no medical, there was no oil, there was no inanimate energy, there was no big business, and there was no this and no that. But, based upon all that we know, man has always had reason of fighting, raping, stealing, stealing animals, killing for lands, and what ever such like!

The flesh nature of man is always subjected to the influence of evil., because..........and thus the very basis of the Christian beliefs.

[Amaterasu]

Money ie the coins - the paper this is not what is in question surely.

Money is inanimate, so lets move the discussion past the
word money to get to the heart of the issue.

Money is an idea, it is a system.

The use of a money system is not equal to coveting
money - as the system has been in existence from the
time when people bartered.

So then, is bartering also coveting?

Not in my estimaiton....
nor is the use of a money system.

"Love of money"

This is not the word love as we use it in
I love you - this is the idea of "lust" or
coveting.

Therfore one could argue that the love of money
actually equals the lust of money.
Coveting money - which is not coveting coins and paper

Semanitcs aside, Humans are motivated to steal, defraud, lie (promote higher value for Their energy than is truly the case) and otherwise behave poorly to gain advantage in an energy-scarce society that accounts for Human energy - be it barter, trade, work exchange, or token based.

If We had no need to gain advantages over Others because We all had access to the abundance of this planet when and where We choose, We would not be so motivated to steal, defraud, lie, and otherwise behave poorly.  And if We are motivated instead by social currencies, We surely will be motivated to protect Our reputation, create towards BETTERMENT of the whole, and to choose behaviors that at least do not create problems for Others.

The reason "the love of money is the root of all evil" is it offers MOTIVE to choose poor behavior.

[burntheships]

Amy,

It is not semantics -
Using the word semantics does not make it so.

Love does not equal lust,
and lust does not equal love.

Humans are motivated to steal, defraud, lie (promote higher value for Their energy than is truly the case) and otherwise behave poorly

Yes, precisely!

They behave this way because they do not love
yet rather they lust. They lust - they covet.

The lust of money is a root of all "kinds" of evil.
Stealing, defrauding, lies.

The reason "the love of money is the root of all evil" is it offers MOTIVE to choose poor behavior.

It is the lust of money -

lust = coveting

[Amaterasu]

Medicine is "poison"?  LULZ!  Saved my daughters life when her heart stopped, so I call BS on that.  And my father-in-laws cardiac disease. Because of medicine they do have customers, because they have longer healthier life.

Did I say ALL medicine is poison?  No.  But, for example, the psychological drugs are.  Vaccines are.  And they create other issues that more "medicines" are prescribed for.  Once They got My mom on a med for arthritis, She developed issues and was prescribed another, and THAT created issues...  When She died, She was on 15 different "meds" that all were treating issues that began with the first.

And where are these wonder robots you speak of?  Someone has to make them, that costs money.  They'll have to be sold to make that up.  Once they're bought and at work there's profit that needs to be made to pay for them.  So what they create or harvest will need to be sold.  There's nothing free along the way.

Rather than repeating what I have posted in My section, I will provide a link to the plan.  Once the basics are handled, I know zillions of people who LOVE to work on designing, building and maintaining robots...  I doubt We will lack People willing to do that for Us.

Link:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5626.0

And you think there's no criminal minds among us?  No preditors?  No savages?  Prisons exist for a reason.  The worst of the worst who will gut you stem to stern for no reason.  Money is not an issue.

I never said that, either.  BUT, most are motivated by money/power over Others, which no money removes.  The very few left are People We can treat in mental hospitals.  You may want to read My work in general - the sticky threads in My section, as You do seem very unfamiliar with My work.

My section:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=163.0

And no wars?  Tell me when there has not been war and conflict in human history in any century, any decade.  Not even over money or resources.  It can be ethnic.  Religious.  Political in ideology.  Your TAP doesn't even address war in nature.

Show Me a war that was not financed on BOTH SIDES for the last 1,000 years.  To make a profit on it...

And human nature is self centered when push comes to shove.  We see it around us all day every day.  Fortunately we also see acts of kindness.  But you don't have to look far for the dark underbelly of human nature.  It's in the headlines every day.

MOST Humans will, when They can afford it, reach out and help.  And the headlines are written to SELL, not for truth or balanced view of Humanity.  As one example of non-truth, look to Sandy Hook.

Given the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS given to "charities" (that use 98% or more to pay the People running them), it is clear that when We all may travel at will, We can show up to help directly Those who need help instead of enriching "charity" operations.

[Amaterasu]

Amy,

It is not semantics -
Using the word semantics does not make it so.

Love does not equal lust,
and lust does not equal love.

Yes, precisely!

They behave this way because they do not love
yet rather they lust. They lust - they covet.

The lust of money is a root of all "kinds" of evil.
Stealing, defrauding, lies.

It is the lust of money -

lust = coveting

Whatever word You want to use - love, lust, covet - it IS semantics.  I use "love" because of the quote from the bible, but use whatever word You want.  But WHAT would anyone love/lust/covet for when One can have what One wants just for the asking?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Now then Matrix,

Why does age stop you flying Gyrocopters ?

I seen an 89 yr old flying in one on TV...


That is age  only an illusion is it not in our Meat Suit program ! is it not and that in our real LIFE..is age NOT a barrier ! 

Also why are you not Flying in UFO Saucers ! 

You preach that you know How to do this...why aren't you!   

I get the feeling that you are winding us up !...

I was kidding around .... LOL.

Just my Warped sense of Humour I'm NOT serious all the time .... LOL.

I am a Child in Heart ....

Guess who this is ?  LOL

[robomont]

Actually this one isolated group of natives shared everything.wives tools everything.then a white man showed up.a few years later he came back and the folks had turned covetous.men no longer shared anything.thats why its best to leave natives to themselves.there was a whole research project on it.ie.prime directive star trek is the best thing to do.
But they are short lived lives.what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Actually this one isolated group of natives shared everything.wives tools everything.then a white man showed up.a few years later he came back and the folks had turned covetous.men no longer shared anything.thats why its best to leave natives to themselves.there was a whole research project on it.ie.prime directive star trek is the best thing to do.
But they are short lived lives.what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

So this is WHY "The Adventures of LIFE" never Ends !

You can't get everything ....  LOL.

It's only the "human Primate" that seeks an End !

[Amaterasu]

One of the biggest fallacies in this thinking regarding money is, there was a time in this world when there was "no money" at all. Even today, there are a few remote areas where there is still no money. Likewise, until more recent times, there was no pharma, there was no medical, there was no oil, there was no inanimate energy, there was no big business, and there was no this and no that. But, based upon all that we know, man has always had reason of fighting, raping, stealing, stealing animals, killing for lands, and what ever such like!

The flesh nature of man is always subjected to the influence of evil., because..........and thus the very basis of the Christian beliefs.

I never said that there was a time when We did not account for Human energy in some fashion.  There has always been energy scarcity (in the history We have).  And so We have always accounted for it.

What I AM saying is that there are GAME CHANGERS that JUST NOW in Our recorded history We have access to:

The energy pool We swim in in the form of usable energy, removing energy scarcity
Robotics, allowing Us to not HAVE to do jobs We don't WANT to do
The Interweb, allowing planetary communication
Personal video cams, allowing Us to prove things happened should We need to

We Humans are very beautiful, and 90%+ will NOT steal, cheat, lie, defraud, etc. to gain an advantage.  If We were NOT willing to stay within the basic three Laws, society would not function.  Period.

[Amaterasu]

what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

Not so.  It's only "boring" if You cannot think of something You would LOVE to do:  travel, build robots, design buildings, paint pictures, produce a play, write music, study, do archaeological digs, build cars, etc.

If Our children are taught to find what They LOVE to do, instead of giving up on it for a boring JOB to put food on the table, few will end up bored.  Add the Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" and the challenge will be to see how much betterment One can create.

[astr0144]

I suspect for most of us if we did have everything that we wish for or want....In theory we should not have any excuse to say that we would get bored in our present lifetime scale...

We could all try so many things that we would like to do , achieve..or travel around where we want...

I am sure we all dream of this, but so few achieve it.. and even those of us who do not... we still spend a lot of wasted time or time doing boring things..like Jobs or chores that we hate !...

Many of us on PRC are content with just observing what we write about...  what if we could actually go out their and had time and money to educate ourselves to try and do some of the stuff that what we talk about, or travel to & research  many of the places that we discuss....such as researching UFO sightings etc.. 

Quote from: robomont on Today at 04:36:28 PM
what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

Not so.  It's only "boring" if You cannot think of something You would LOVE to do:  travel, build robots, design buildings, paint pictures, produce a play, write music, study, do archaeological digs, build cars, etc.

If Our children are taught to find what They LOVE to do, instead of giving up on it for a boring JOB to put food on the table, few will end up bored.  Add the Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" and the challenge will be to see how much betterment One can create.

[astr0144]

Hi Matrix,

Big Wow if one of those is you ! 

James Bond at Heart ! 

However ,I still want to see a similar picture of you sat in a UFO with E.T !   

I may be going to a UFO event in a few weeks time where one of the speakers claims to have actual Pictures (That he says he will show) that he took inside a UFO Saucer or Mothership ...

I was kidding around .... LOL.

Just my Warped sense of Humour I'm NOT serious all the time .... LOL.

I am a Child in Heart ....

Guess who this is ?  LOL