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Started by Amaterasu, February 02, 2014, 11:43:41 PM

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Amaterasu

Just imagine if We had all this energy We swim in flowing in usable form to all of Us for free.  This hold They have on Us would vanish.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

starwarp2000

In Australia, it is "Illegal" to disconnect from the Power Grid. I know a farmer who decided to get rid of all outside power sources and rely solely on his Solar, Wind and other generators.
He called the Power Company, and they said that they would not be coming to remove the remove the Electrical Poles entering his property and that they are the property of the Power Company.
So he got an Electrician to disconnect from the house, and roll up all the cable, placing it and all the uprooted poles outside his property.
Next day 150 armed Police and Army, arrived and arrested him and his family at gunpoint. They sold his property and evicted him, and gave him a 3 year suspended Jail sentence for "Malicious Destruction of Property".
So, here at least, you don't have any right's to start with.
Sit down before fact like a small child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss nature lead, or you will learn nothing. —T. H. Huxley

Amaterasu

Well.  It's about time to take the power out of Their hands and give it to Each autonomously.  Replace all systems of money.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

zorgon


zorgon

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 06, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
In Australia, it is "Illegal" to disconnect from the Power Grid.

Move to Nevada :D Here the Power company helps you do it :D They also installed a free pool pump timer and the water company put in a free sprinkler timer   I like free  and they even give rebates for installing solar

Your Farmer should have simply added an off switch and not cause a stink :D

deuem

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 06, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
In Australia, it is "Illegal" to disconnect from the Power Grid. I know a farmer who decided to get rid of all outside power sources and rely solely on his Solar, Wind and other generators.
He called the Power Company, and they said that they would not be coming to remove the remove the Electrical Poles entering his property and that they are the property of the Power Company.
So he got an Electrician to disconnect from the house, and roll up all the cable, placing it and all the uprooted poles outside his property.
Next day 150 armed Police and Army, arrived and arrested him and his family at gunpoint. They sold his property and evicted him, and gave him a 3 year suspended Jail sentence for "Malicious Destruction of Property".
So, here at least, you don't have any right's to start with.

So what does this teach us? Maybe next time he should blow up a couple of the poles and say he was being invaded. If I didn't hear this story from you, I might not believe it. It is a OMG moment for sure. What do people do, just connect 1 light bulb to the meter and let it run so they get paid? I can see if there is an investment involved, meaning a few years ago the electric company paid for all the poles and have not received enough money back to pay for them. Then he would have to pay the ploes off. So do they consider it a breach of contract for the investment?

I think I will buy my own poles and have the meter at the street. Run my own wire to the house, would that work?

Deuem
Deuem

ArMaP

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 06, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
In Australia, it is "Illegal" to disconnect from the Power Grid.
Apparently, what is illegal is to remove the poles and the cables, even if they were in his property.

Amaterasu

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 11:38:09 AM
And who will implement this new system?

We all will.  Get the ideas to the tipping point and if 90+% of Us choose to go that route, I'm fairly certain We can accomplish it.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

starwarp2000

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 11:45:15 AM
Your Farmer should have simply added an off switch and not cause a stink :D

My thoughts exactly  :)
Sit down before fact like a small child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss nature lead, or you will learn nothing. —T. H. Huxley

starwarp2000

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 11:56:19 AM

I think I will buy my own poles and have the meter at the street. Run my own wire to the house, would that work?


The law states that it it is "Illegal to be a residence in a property with no connected power".
The solution?
Keep the power connected and don't use it. Maybe keep a pump running. Your bill will be low, so maybe that would still arouse suspicion.
Sit down before fact like a small child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss nature lead, or you will learn nothing. —T. H. Huxley

starwarp2000

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
Apparently, what is illegal is to remove the poles and the cables, even if they were in his property.

Nope!
The law states: "It is illegal to reside in a residence that has no power, water or gas (from public facilities) connected."

You pay for the cost of the power poles in your initial installation. They still remain the property of the Power Company.
Other case was won, when a farmer removed the old power poles. The power company tried to seize his property but he won the case because the poles were in disuse for 2 years (An old power cable run into his property). The judge deemed that it was legal for a farmer to remove them and place them off his property.
In the case being discussed now, a different law is in affect.
Sit down before fact like a small child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss nature lead, or you will learn nothing. —T. H. Huxley

zorgon

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 04:21:09 PM
We all will.  Get the ideas to the tipping point and if 90+% of Us choose to go that route, I'm fairly certain We can accomplish it.

Nope that is not an answer...

the IDEA alone is not enough to implement it. One has to first know that the MEANS are available.

And before you said 10% was all that was needed to reach that "tipping point"  now your saying 90+%

The population of the USA as of   February 6, 2014 is 317,619,000 That is only 4.45% of World Population. Add Australia for .33% and Canada for  .49%

Don't know how many in Europe your reaching with TAP

Official population clock

burntheships

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 11:38:09 AM
And who will implement this new system?

We all will.  Get the ideas to the tipping point and if 90+% of Us choose to go that route, I'm fairly certain We can accomplish it.


I am seeing pretty much the direct opposite of this happening in the
world right now. Look at Bitcoin, its now accepted so many places
I dont care to list; hundreds. Cryptocurrency, Iceland is going
live with one now, and there are several others.

Scripts are also very common.

This does not take into account stocks, which are created
every day - derivatives - instruments - carbon credits
are just taking off and with the implementation
of Agenda 21 into many U.S. cities expect more
of this.

I think the larger issue is The System.

The entire System, and that is all of the Governments,
laws, rules, regulations, regularoty agencies, etc.

These are all multipling like bunnies, everyday
there are new laws, new agencies, new regulations.




"This is the Documentary Channel"
- Zorgon

Somamech

Quote from: starwarp2000 on February 06, 2014, 06:50:05 PM
Nope!
The law states: "It is illegal to reside in a residence that has no power, water or gas (from public facilities) connected."

You pay for the cost of the power poles in your initial installation. They still remain the property of the Power Company.
Other case was won, when a farmer removed the old power poles. The power company tried to seize his property but he won the case because the poles were in disuse for 2 years (An old power cable run into his property). The judge deemed that it was legal for a farmer to remove them and place them off his property.
In the case being discussed now, a different law is in affect.

Starwarp thats pretty odd as I knew someone about 25 odd years ago who was off grid.  My Dad knows someone now who is off grid up the Wedderburn way with quite a smart off grid set-up he got off Alibaba.  Must say though that in both case's they were not willing to pay the crazy fee for service hookup. 

My dad has a grid connect solar panel set-up on his house in Bendigo which is a bit trickier refarding billing as he generate's more spark than what he use's, so he has to offset some usage on his utility account which is linked to another property. 

If I got my arse into gear with my mythical Video's I would interview people who are off grid in Oz to get the real Low Down for people rather than heresay !


Amaterasu

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 07:12:47 PM
Nope that is not an answer...

the IDEA alone is not enough to implement it. One has to first know that the MEANS are available.

The ideas will spawn great activity in bringing the means out. 

QuoteAnd before you said 10% was all that was needed to reach that "tipping point"  now your saying 90+%

Do You grasp the tipping point?  Guess not.  Once about 10% have an idea it flows out to 90+% all on its own.  10% is the point at which it tips to the whole in awareness.

QuoteThe population of the USA as of   February 6, 2014 is 317,619,000 That is only 4.45% of World Population. Add Australia for .33% and Canada for  .49%

Don't know how many in Europe your reaching with TAP

Official population clock

I have had MANY from Europe discuss this with Me, and (without My even asking!) have had My work translated into Spanish.  So I am reaching into South America as well.  I have had People in the Middle East, too, discuss My work.  About the only place I have NOT had discussions with is China (Deuem not withstanding).
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."