What Say Ye?

[rdunk]

I would say, if that were a scenario, "illogical actions" of man would not be the only consideration of any of those so looking at this Earth. If everything is considered, then my guess would be "leave them alone, and help them to the extent we can, so that they can evolve to a better reality here".

[burntheships]

Even if Chris, Luke and I solve the energy problem tomorrow, just the manufacturing pollution will likely do us all in of we try and give every human being currently alive an iphone, laptop, car and fridge.... Assuming that there are enough raw materials available to do the job.

Dont forget all of the free robots.

Lets see, a planet over run with people,
or a planet overtaken by robots...

I know which one I would pick.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

"Only when the last tree is gone, will the white man realise that money is worthless"
-Sitting Bull- (i think)

Roberts (robots) might bung cars together in seconds but it takes a load of pikeys to take em apart again...

..in seconds...

I'll confess I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think that making more nuclear pollution is the answer. In fact its so not the answer that it staggers me how short sighted and dumb we are, to have not instantly decided en mass to shut all NPP's down and not build any more. But of course, we'd all have to use a lot less electricity.

Indeed, even stepping up the coal production is better than nukes
We have plenty of viable alternatives in the pipeline, several of which are nothing less than world changing. We have to get out of first gear, push things harder.

I surely would not judge the whole on the choices made by a very few who have control of the system accounting for meaningful energy, with life and death hinged on finding a way to plug One's energy into the system.

Well i would, it's their own damn fault for 'electing' these a-holes to power to begin with, and even after 2 world wars (fought for profit) we are still voting for them!
How dumb is that?

Only one way to break the cycle as i see it, and that is to replicate & distribute the new systems ASAP.
Timing is important, we have to be consistent, and publish workable plans that anyone with a basic toolkit can assemble.

Even this has 3 stages, DIY solar/wind/inverter. DIY HHO system, DIY fusion reactor, DIY spaceship.

Let's do it! Off to Walmart!, let's show them ET's that we (at least some of us) can live responsibly.
Maybe then they will lift the quarantine, LOL
If they don't i say we make a run for it at Warp 12...........

[Norval]

There's a bunch of questions that are aimed right at me, I can answer those,, and most of the rest too.

First, the important ones.
Will we live through the "next cleansing"? Yes, overall about one third will survive and accept the government of the galaxies the Good ET's live by.

There was a time in very recent history when it could have all went down the toilet, all living things would have been destroyed on earth, , , , utter complete destruction, like Mars is today. Enough of mankind have done what is "right and good" so we passed that part of the testing. We get to live on, and to fulfill our destiny, so to speak.

Everyone KNOWS what is truly right and wrong, and I ain't talking laws. So, it's YOUR choice, your own hearts will commend or condemn you. The Good ETs have the ability to "read" your hearts and know. One third is foretold to survive this next cleansing.

Unfortunately there will be a final test for many that will come in about a thousand more years. Read the book.   

[Ellirium113]

If I was the scout alien I would report to my supervisor that this planet is an EXCELLENT example on how NOT to run a civilization and that he ought to quarantine the planet. There can still be a lot learned so to eradicate would not be good. So long as there is no threat off the planet I would kick back and smoke a big alien left handed cigarette and watch the fireworks.

One third is foretold to survive this next cleansing.

Is that including those that have their bus ticket already?   

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

LMAO gold both of you
Norval, as you know i'm somewhat agnostic, but your take on it is spot on, IMHO

Ellirium;

If I was the scout alien I would report to my supervisor that this planet is an EXCELLENT example on how NOT to run a civilization and that he ought to quarantine the planet. There can still be a lot learned so to eradicate would not be good.

It seems we infest this planet, rather than just live (with) on it....
If i was commander of the Vogon fleet (a kind one) i would simply blast all the cities with Neutrons & let nature take it's course, go back in a few centuries & sample more Ape DNA

DNA is the answer, ours has a wierd twist (sic) to it that ET is very interested in.

I guess for want of a better word, you could call it a soul, it seems Grey's don't have them, only higher beings do....

Do i sound religious?

[Gigas]

I've had many a dream of a flood event where the skies go dark and a wind begins with a roar and water comes rushing over everything. I began to think what I must do and went to google maps for my area and searched the highest elevation which was about 150 miles west of me at 1750 feet above sea level.

I sold my v8 expedition for a v10 excursion and if you know suv's, that is as big as it gets with 4 wheel drive. The next purchase is a 24 to 32 foot travel trailer soon to make that elevated location a place to stay safe.

Here is something that confirmed my nightmares.

My son called me some time in 2012 and told me his daughter became psychic by picking up a necklace in their garden which had been placed there by the other side who have been trying to reach my son to communicate.

I won't go in to all that was communicated but the girl stated a flood was coming and they have to take care of their grand ma, my ex wife, who lives near them and that grand pa, me, knows what to do.

I was shocked because I never told anyone of my dreams of the coming flood and now this affirmation reveals the event from another source. I told my son, I never told anyone this but yes, a flood is coming and I figured out what I must do to survive it.

So I will be getting that trailer soon as I find the model I know will work best for the situation.

Believe it or not!.


Now, as for wishfull thinking. Stargate sg1 season 4 episode 9 had a show called scorched earth where a gadmeer terraformer ship was terraforming the planet for a sulphur breathing life form that did not breath oxygen like organic beings do.

I think we should turn over this world since we can't live without fighting and destroying everything and maybe they will take better care of it.

[sky otter]

DNA   DNA  DNA

did anyone ever think that the dna was a spiral cause we live in a spiral gallacy?
and that's also the reason we are all 'screwed' up? or maybe the word 'twisted' is more ape...
i mean apt

huh?

[Gigas]

Well ya, spiral dna is screwed up, so why not us since dna is our spiral address

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Now I see it as aliens coming here and say, 'Hey look at this place', 'they're just like us only starting out'...I think the aliens are warlike, territorial, conquistadors. They're violent and blood thirsty. Only they've been at it longer than we have...I don't think there are any Spielberg Ouchie Cutie Aliens.

[burntheships]

DNA is what the first cleansing was all about,
if I understand it at all.

Just sayin....

[Shasta56]

It's my understanding that the magnetic poles have shifted several times, and this has initiated a cleansing.  A lot of books I read in the seventies, eighties and nineties indicated that the planet is due, or overdue, for a magnetic shift.

Some days I look at familiar landscapes, Buckley AFB, for instance, and I see visions of disaster and carnage superimposed on the current scenery.  Maybe I'm seeing future or alternate possibilities.  Maybe I've bee hitting the catnip a little too hard.  Maybe I just need to get up warly eniugh to have some coffee before I go scrambling out the door.  But I feel something coming.

Shasta

[Amaterasu]

"Only when the last tree is gone, will the white man realise that money is worthless"
-Sitting Bull- (i think)

Surely a profit-driven system that promotes not quality craftsmanship but planned obsolescence is not conducive to avoiding that last tree scenario.

[thorfourwinds]

[Amaterasu]

It seems we infest this planet, rather than just live (with) on it....

I disagree, Luke.  We are under the oppression and spell of the psychos on this planet.  THEY "infest," making bad choices that most of Us despise but have no power to change personally, and the spell is one of no info, so We don't see the ways We could move to end Their rule.

The interweb has allowed info to finally flow, and We are just now seeing the ways out from under Them.