Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[Sinny]

I seem to recall answering that many times... that we don't have that data.

As to people avoiding stuff, it is the same as you avoiding explaining how your water droplets achieve all those different (including curved) trajectories.

If there was air out there you could make a case for debris fluttering about like moths to a light... but it is supposed to be a vacuum, so earth based motions do not work out there

Jim, can you not just address the above?
Zorgon answered your question, now can you answer his?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

We are all surrounded by such images, from Hollywood and video games and NASA publicity flacks and by analogies with earthside experience, where our perceptual processes have been finely honed.

yours, maybe. To me a hollywood flick is just that, even if they do tend to disguise the truth, it makes it even more ironic when you know what they are really up to, hollywood is behind the times, mate

Don't go into reflexive ego defense. You obviously know how to learn new systems and their functioning and malfunctioning. I'm suggesting that you, just like me, entered the consideration of spaceflight issues with a mental framework unsuitable to the unearthly environment.

i will try, i do tend to react to people doubting my intelligence.
now about this unearthly environment.
How many of us here have been into space? I want a hands count.........

Maybe we have some lurkers, and maybe 1 REAL astronaut, but they will not be commenting in this thread.
They just read & laugh, is my guess

The correct mental environment for any unknown is; Always expect the unexpected, Never assume ANYTHING, especially if it has to do with assuming others have done their job properly, to be able to switch off emotionally & concentrte 200% on the job in question. Failiure to do so leads to catastrophe.

I'm trying to share what I learned the hard way. Please don't feel insulted.

Read the first line of my signature, i'm not insulted, maybe just tired.....

Yes, on shuttle flights, and properly so. We're not in Kansas any more.

Well that's just plain silly, how are they planning to go to Mars without a tried & tested recycling system?

Besides, water has many many uses, like electrochemical, plasma & even dynamic properties.
All 3 methods will ensure transport & survival.
What about using water as radiation shielding or as a steam powered rocket for use in emergencies?

oh yes, you also need it to survive........oh what the heck let's blow it out the airlock

[zorgon]

Help me develop the more effective path to achieving this.

That is hard to do  because you reject all known effects of plasma, including NASA's own data.

Plasma arcs GLOW even in a vacuum... this is not something that needs proving as there are thousands of experimenters all over the world showing that  even high school kids on YT

So if you are refusing to accept this basic FACT of plasma science, there is little point wasting anymore time on this

I do however agree that the tether was mostly straight... in fact I have one report from NASA that says it did straighten out after the initial snap recoil. ( I will find it)  So on that we do agree

[zorgon]

But why are you so stubborn to produce the original NASA version of Martyn's copy? Makes no sense to keep waving your arms saying it exists, but you can't produce it

Silly Lemming

[zorgon]

Can I get a list of exactly what you all think these things are, so I can do some testing against other standards? If that is possible?

This is WHY I want to focus on STS 80  ArMaP has even said that this is the one that stumps him...  Jim keeps pointing to his explanation of STS48   and yes THAT one can be explained away easily

But the ones in STS80 CANNOT

All we need is ONE ... and that one is the best, as there is no way those are dust or water dump ice particles

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Plasma arcs GLOW even in a vacuum... this is not something that needs proving as there are thousands of experimenters all over the world showing that  even high school kids on YT

So if you are refusing to accept this basic FACT of plasma science, there is little point wasting anymore time on this

Agreed {sigh}

I do however agree that the tether was mostly straight... in fact I have one report from NASA that says it did straighten out after the initial snap recoil. ( I will find it)  So on that we do agree

Oh sure, it's a basic oscillatory system: Spring, weight, etc.....i would expect it to coil up & expand several times in fact

OK i'm out of here, work to do, and no amount of procrastinating will get the baby washed, as my mum would say
Later!

[JimO]

I seem to recall answering that many times... that we don't have that data.

Armap found it easily enough and we've already discussed it. A bit more than four days. Do you accept that?

As to people avoiding stuff, it is the same as you avoiding explaining how your water droplets achieve all those different (including curved) trajectories. 

What water droplets?

If there was air out there you could make a case for debris fluttering about like moths to a light... but it is supposed to be a vacuum, so earth based motions do not work out there

Now that we know that the scene was NOT immediately after the break, we know that the shuttle was back to normal ops -- belching, farting, pissing away into the space around it. So -- what perfect vacuum were YOU talking about?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Ah, is this the sts-80 that shows the nonexistent particle beam weapons firing on the nonexistent UFO's?
You know, those 'ice particles' which suddenly reversed direction?

And don't start on gas blowoffs / course correction ignition sequences, i've heard ALL of it.
hell i'm not the NAZA expert here, i think the Zorgmeister is, LOL

[zorgon]

I seem to recall answering that many times... that we don't have that data.

Seems ArMaP came through on that one   Gold for that

[zorgon]

Ah, is this the sts-80 that shows the nonexistent particle beam weapons firing on the nonexistent UFO's?

No STS 80 is the one where the big one moves in over the thunderstorm... suddenly brightens and stops. A second one comes up out of the clouds and moves off. The first one remains parked over the storm and as the earth rotates away the object is still seen in the same spot. Near the end the NASA camera man has not forgotten it and zooms in on it in the distance now almost over the horizon.

STS 80 also has the ring formation but I want to focus on the storm sequence. I posted the video in this thread. I can post it again if you need it

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Lets see.. the original wide screen shot (not the cropped one) clearly shows 2 objects coming into field of view, followed by 2 flashes of light (different timing & angle, these were the so-called ignition bursts) followed by 2 'beams' streaking towards the 2 objects, which rapidly changed direction (160 degrees, no less) and reversed curse at an (estimated) speed of mach 15.
They changed course just in time, because any physicist knows that a particle beam although immensely fast & powerful, travels at only a fraction of the speed of light.

The initial plasma fusion reaction that is the ignition sequence for a PB weapon is of course, a blinding flash of light like you would get from a small h-bomb ignition, which it essentially is.

This flash of light travels at the speed of, well, light.

And a sufficiently advanced automated system will recognise that flash for what it is, and reverse thrusters, warp 10 and don't spare the Joules.....

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Oh, THAT one.
Like i said, free energy is well, free.
Lightning storms are a great source.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

OK last post for today,
A few simple comments.
Have i ever seen an alien or a UFO?
No.

Do i believe aliens exist?
Of course, it's a mathematical & a logical certainty, it is even logical from an anthropologist's viewpoint that 99% of all alien lifeforms are bipedal humanids.

Do UFO's exist?
Of course they do, from an engineering point of view, there are even several models, like ours, theirs, and hybrids and that is merely from observation of the physical phenomena & eyewitness reports, or even longer lasting evidence like the severe radiation burns sometimes experienced by 'close encounters' etc.

Hey i am building a special UFO detector based on the (very well known) principles of how this all works, want to buy one?

ETA: Cheaper for members, of course

[zorgon]

Maybe we have some lurkers, and maybe 1 REAL astronaut, but they will not be commenting in this thread.
They just read & laugh, is my guess

Well funny you mention that   YES NASA people are always lurking here... sometimes they even comment   (FYI LSWONE works at Drysden    you know  the black ninja suit?)  he tells me NASA people really like our website

I have had NASA people tell us that our full moon image is the BEST they have ever seen... and use their NASA email address in the letter

I have had NASA people purchase the John Lear Bob Lazar story... and use their NASA email address in the order

I even have NASA paid advertizing on the Livingmoon pages  guess where? on my "Atmosphere on the Moon pages"

here is one;
NASA title...  17) Water in Atmosphere?
Paid link... http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23oct_ladee/

here is the other;

NASA title...  21) Water Filtration Systems - Lessons Learned for Space
Paid link... http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/summer/education_resources/engineering_grades7-9/E_water-filtration.html#.U1v7e1VdW8E

Oddly enough in the second link NASA is asking STUDENTS to come up with a water filtration system 



So yeah despite Jim's efforts  we are in good with NASA

Don't forget we were deliberately leaked the Color Clementine data in 2006, for which I still have the USGS thankyou letter for helping them kick off the Map-a-Planet site to instant success (back at ATS)

Don't forget we were deliberately leaked the McDonald's Missing Lunar Orbiter tapes incident with Dennis Wingo at NASA AMES



The military also lurks here, especially the NAVY  and they too have paid links   Guess where? On the Air Force Stargate Wormhole page   Go figure

Well that's just plain silly, how are they planning to go to Mars without a tried & tested recycling system?

Well maybe the students will come up with an answer   Or maybe we come up with one

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Kewl

I have had NASA people tell us that our full moon image is the BEST they have ever seen... and use their NASA email address in the letter

...Just don't mention Richard Hoagland or they will shun you