Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[JimO]

So we're never going to even learn the date/time/context of the video you consider your best evidence? Explain to me again that such trivial details are unimportant.

[zorgon]

What you ought to be adding is your rational responses to posts such as the STS-75 disk notch clocking being clearly a camera artifact.

Well Jim... look  I know we are all getting older... but seriously I covered that IN DETAIL several times with PICTURES to show my case. Seems everyone else can see my posts  seems you have selective reading issues :p

No I do NOT see them as clearly being a camera artifact. Please go back and see my post. I covered the same thing back at ATS over several pages with DepthOfFeild.  The best the debunkers could produce where notched artifacts that were the same no matter where on the image...






You can give it up to the 'explained' column. After all, you only need 'just one', so admitting a few others as being bogus costs you nothing.

How about your interpretation of your video showing an object coming 'out from behind a cloud' when I suggest it is merely coming out into sunlight? Is that a plausible alternative explanation, or is 'changing your mind' only what your adversaries are supposed to do? [grin]
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[zorgon]

Okay posted my three questions on Tom Jones UFO on STS 80 page  lets see if he responds or if Jim buries it

Might be a while because last update was April 18, 2011





http://skywalking1.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/did-ufos-visit-sts-80-columbia/#comment-1140

[JimO]

Zorgon, just to make it crystal clear I'm not offering a formal explanation of your video, I'm merely suggesting what I think it LOOKS like. Without the documentation you are not providing, a proper investigation is made impossible -- was that your intent all along?

[zorgon]

What documentation? I have none, just the image. Can you give NASA a call and have them send me the documentation?

Okay so it "LOOKS LIKE" shuttle dandruff to you, LOOKS LIKE 'plasma critters to me and LOOKS LIKE alien UFO's to many others

I guess we will have to wait to get a commercial ship up there to look around ourselves.  Odd that the Russians wouldn't let space tourist Tito take a camera

Thing is many people have seen these phenomena on earth, photographed them and reported them... so you shuttle dandruff has limited value

Now if anyone can find that NASA Unexplained clip of Story Musgrave and his snake I would be obliged

I have the older one, but need the recent one

[The Matrix Traveller]

a proper investigation is made impossible

If One has no understanding of the Environment, your little Universe is being displayed through....
HOW can your interpretation be accurate ?

JimO you say we should understand the Environment of Space, but do you understand the "Processing Environment" your Little Universe is being Displayed in or through ?

More understanding is required regarding WHAT this universe really is,
WHERE it is being displayed,
HOW it is being Displayed,
and WHAT is observing it and WHY !

[zorgon]

He believes some show "Living Critters"...so do I.

yeah we went through all this at ATS before you got the axe.  Problem with Jose is that many of his 'rods' can be dismissed and reproduced as bugs  so I tend to steer away from mentioning the rods.

I see that you are very schooled on all this & that is so welcome.

Oddly enough I ran into TJC's ideas long before and NASA UFO's Way back in high school I was looking at effects and appearances of UFO's and was already thinking along the critter lines when I came across TJC's article. Since then more and more main stream scientists and ufologists are coming to the same conclusion...

This phenomenon & a detailed review of hrs. of these tapes has allowed me to see what less experienced  viewers  have missed... just think of how many people look at an unusual object & explain it away as a trick of light. (like Jim O!)

Sometimes these people just do NOT see what we see... we went through that with the moon anomalies... some really do just see blurry rocks   That is why the Air Force has hired people that DO see the details to analyse aerial photos   Jim I think just doesn't want to see... yet he is still here

The idea of organisms consuming pure energy is not unscientific. A broken Tether 100 miles from the shuttle, bleeding Energy which is being consumed by organic UFOs. Critters, unicellular with a body composed of Plasma. TJC says his Critters range as large as miles!

Oddly enough, Star Trek did a 'critter' episode  a many mile wide energy eating space Amoeba. That was in the 60's  LONG befoe NASA tether UFOs...



Did they get that from Trevor?   But yes when I started posting on critters it was in the realm of fantasy, at best science fiction. Today main stream scientists are on it, even creating experiments in the labs... and this only over less than 10 years

Okay so your right, it's NOT "case closed"   We may need to capture one first. Maybe NASA can send up a mission to obtain a sample of those highly energetic plasma particles that keep annoying them

Seldom seen as they usually reflect infra-red light, they sometimes are visible when they reflect visible light. TJC's Critters expand & contract as they speed through the sky. When they are luminous, some glow continually while others flash on & off.

Forgetting the NASA ones for a minute... UFO reports near power sources, nuclear sites and thunderstorms will yiled a plethora of reports that fit into the 'critter' category. Same thing there they are reported as being almost invisible then suddenly flre up... almost like they are feeding off the power lines or storms.

There are MANY videos showing what people call orbs doing this. I believe the sightings that shut down that nuclear missile site in the 60's was simply a critter feeding and in those days the electronic equipment was vulnerble to their EM field  and that triggered the shut down failsafe

In fact it was these UFO reports in the 60's that made me consider life forms as opposed to alien craft.  Denise Stoner, ex govermnet investigator and MUFON head in Florida says 50% of sightings fall into critters where as I am closer to 80% (with 15% our black ops and 5% true visitors)  But MUFON filters are not as fine as mine

All of TJCs words sound the same as the NASA videos continually demonstrate.

NASA reports talk of plama effects of the tether yet they are brushed aside. Several astonauts speak of UFO's but others say they never heard of any astronaut saying it. Yet even public TV is now interviewing these astronauts...

Seems a lot of conflicting reports  yet more and more is coming to light in the public sector

Why is NASA afraid of CRITTERS?  LOL  They haven't hurt anyone yet as far as I know

[thorfourwinds]

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How about your interpretation of your video showing an object coming 'out from behind a cloud' when I suggest it is merely coming out into sunlight?

Is that a plausible alternative explanation, or is 'changing your mind' only what your adversaries are supposed to do? [grin]

Greetings Jim O:

Now, we are truly getting somewhere.   

At least you are admitting that there IS an 'object'.   

Mr. Oberg, just what do you suggest "it" is?   [grin]   


Stop me if you've heard this one:   

"...'classic' sunlit shuttle dandruff..."



With great respect,



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[ArMaP]

Unfortunately, I that the only information I can find is related to the part of the STS-80 video that I'm not interested in.

On this page I found this, written by a "James Ober":

As far as I was able to determine, these STS-80 scenes were recorded beginning about 11:55 PM PST on December 1, 1996. That's 07:55 GMT on December 2. Since the shuttle was launched on Nov 19, that is 324/19:55:47, this makes it about 12 days 11 hours 59 minutes "Mission Elapsed Time", or MET. This was on rev 197, crossing Venezuela, then the West Indies. The Orbiter attitude was bottom forward, with the vehicle yawed somewhat so the nose was off to one side.

On this PDF, I found this:

On December 2, at about 7:57 GMT, the video camera in the payload bay recorded a number of disk-like objects near the shuttle.

[Flux]

I had to do a Google search to find out who's thread this is but for some reason I already knew.

'It just happens'.

[thorfourwinds]

Nice find, ArMaP!

GOLD!

For those who might question why our esteemed Member Jim Oberg would not use his full name is this post, here it is.



The Issue With "Space Shuttle UFO Videos"
Author: James Ober
Message #1 / 38

The Issue With "Space Shuttle UFO Videos"

Teasing aside (sorry, Eddie and Wolfie!), the key issue in understanding what you are seeing on these notorious NASA video scenes of space dots is to understanding the lighting conditions during the scenes.

Otherwise, you are faced with not knowing if the dots are sunlit, self-luminous, camera lens artifacts, or whatever.

What I have found most interesting is that the most famous of these scenes -- from STS-48, 63, 75, 80, and others -- all occur in a very particular set of conditions.

The dots appear at orbital sunrise in camera views that are looking back at the dark earth and the starfield, during the few minutes before the shuttle passes over sunlit portions of Earth whose reflected light illuminates the darkened side of the shuttle.

We can verify this by taking tracking data and running it through standard satellite observation software available widely on the Internet. Also the crew sometimes makes comments on 'sunrise'.

We also need to know the direction the camera line-of-sight is pointed relative to the shuttle's shadow in space, because objects close in will still be dark while those farther out -- a few meters more -- will be sunlit, and objects drifting from the shuttle's shadow into sunlight will mysteriously 'appear' -- mysterious indeed, only IF those who present these videos are careful NOT to tell their viewers that the shuttle is in sunlight.

Now, this 'coincidence' -- or what I interpret as a causal relationship -- is carefully concealed by the UFO promoters, who do NOT want their public target audience to suspect any such correleation. So they do NOT provide this information, assuming (correctly) that most viewers will think these are anytime scenes, even night-time scenes.

Why do you suppose such information is covered up? Who is doing the deception here? And why don't people really interested in understanding these visually impressive scenes ever realize they need more information than that which they are being spoon-fed by their manipulators?
JimO
www.jamesoberg.com

[zorgon]

On this PDF, I found this:

"On December 2, at about 7:57 GMT, the video camera in the payload bay recorded a number of disk-like objects near the shuttle."

Interesting choice of words in that article...

Gold for that one

[The Matrix Traveller]

Gold for you ArMap from TMT too .... 

What say Ye JimO to ArMap's quote ?

(If I may quote you T4W ?)

"...'classic' sunlit shuttle dandruff..."

With great respect,

[thorfourwinds]

Herr Zorgon...

You be stealing our thunder...again   

We wuz setting the stage for the killshot...

[JimO]

I don't like to use the terms 'space junk' or 'space debris' because they already have a specific designated class of objects, pieces of OTHER satellites in other orbits that can be tracked for collision hazards. Since my research indicates that the vast majority of objects spotted and imaged from shuttle flights were small items shed or ejected from the shuttle itself, into very parallel orbits with very low relative velocities, and with very short lifetimes due to volatile composition and/or high drag coefficients so they are rarely if ever around long enough to be observed from Earth, I've coined the new term 'shuttle dandruff' to refer to that distinct class of objects. 

It is a category of 'space junk' that operators in Mission Control are very familiar with. Nobody here seems to dispute that such objects exist -- the argument is that they cannot account for all the videos.

That's where the question of illumination source comes in -- it is a differential to separate out items of 'space dandruff' from potentially other kinds of bogies.

It strikes me as disappointing that proponents of 'other' explanations absolutely refuse to seriously grapple with the issue of illumination sources, and have no problem staying unaware of the solar illumination context of supposedly 'top videos'. A neutral observer might suspect they want to NOT know how to differentiate types of bogies.

The absolutely transparent three-dimensionality of the field of view of these external cameras also has awesome consequences for assessing visual behavior of nearby items moving through this space, in particular moving from inside the spacecraft's umbra out into full sunlight, a process that takes a finite amount of time due to the sun's own angular size [not a point source]. It is disappointing to see the reaction to my discussion of this genuine shadow-exit effect elicit the kind of nervous tittering you expect from third graders when they spot the teacher's zipper down.

Armap appears to be the only one here remotely interested in thrashing out a fuller understanding of the implications of space conditions on accurate interpretations of visual phenomena in these cases.  Have I missed anyone else?