Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[1967sander]

One thing I have learned while I was in the Airforce is not to believe anything the military or government agency tells to the general public. Their interests completely differ from ours. In the Royal Dutch Airforce,
you:

- do not tell anything to anyone unless you have explicit permission.
- may tell something but never tell the full truth.
- keep your mouth shut about things that you are not allowed to know (yourself).
- do not ask any questions about things that are not of your business.
- must learn that UFO do not exist, so reporting them will not bring you anything except problems.

Being part of the above-mentioned  system, I do not trust anyone that has been or still is part of the system. I only trust my own observations and there are too many anomalies which NASA cannot simply explain with light reflections. Especially those filmed in IR, NEAR - and FAR UV and in total darkness.

Just my two cents,

Cheers,

Sander
 

[Somamech]

Gold for you there Sander

As much as I respect Jim's opinion and experience, it's always nice to hear another side to the story from a Mil Perspective! 

[ArMaP]

Yes, that's the one I was referring to, thanks for posting it.

[The Matrix Traveller]

One thing I have learned while I was in the Airforce is not to believe anything the military or government agency tells to the general public. Their interests completely differ from ours. In the Royal Dutch Airforce,
you:

- do not tell anything to anyone unless you have explicit permission.
- may tell something but never tell the full truth.
- keep your mouth shut about things that you are not allowed to know (yourself).
- do not ask any questions about things that are not of your business.
- must learn that UFO do not exist, so reporting them will not bring you anything except problems.

Being part of the above-mentioned  system, I do not trust anyone that has been or still is part of the system. I only trust my own observations and there are too many anomalies which NASA cannot simply explain with light reflections. Especially those filmed in IR, NEAR - and FAR UV and in total darkness.

Just my two cents,

Cheers,

Sander

More Gold for you sander, from TMT ...

[JimO]

.....
...has anyone (besides me) taken time to figure out WHY and HOW the tether "glowed like a fluorescent tube" after in broke?

Just to back up to a starting point where we can agree on facts, Zorg, how long after the tether break does the video show the tether 'glowing'?

Referring to the luminosity of the tether, under what solar illumination conditions was this video taken? Day or night?

You are aware that numerous ground observers saw the tether over the following few weeks [me among them]. Have you ever read any of their reports or talked to any of them?

[JimO]

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The one 'object' moves into view... suddenly brightens and STOPS over the storm.  A second one pops up out of the clouds and moves off. Then the camera man zooms in on the first one that has now moved off screen with the rotation, still 'parked' where it had stopped.

These are no small dust or ice particles. They are obviously not close to the spacecraft so they have to be large.

Back to basics -- is it day or night when the video was taken?

[JimO]

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Being part of the above-mentioned  system, I do not trust anyone that has been or still is part of the system. I only trust my own observations and there are too many anomalies which NASA cannot simply explain with light reflections. Especially those filmed in IR, NEAR - and FAR UV and in total darkness.
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For later discussion I'd like to see a few examples observed in total darkness. Any links?

[zorgon]

You are aware that numerous ground observers saw the tether over the following few weeks [me among them]. Have you ever read any of their reports or talked to any of them?

Talked to them no  read the reports  yes I also have a video of the tether taken from the ground

Skeptics try to say that the 'glow' was merely reflected sunlight on that very thin wire...

... yet the full NASA report after the fact says otherwise

Most people don't even know what a tether is and how much electricity it actually can collect...

The glow is NOT reflected sunlight... it was a sustained plasma arc, the circuit completed by the gases generated by the cable shielding that creates a small 'atmosphere' along the tether allowing the arc to continue

The most famous sustained arc event of all led to the breakage of the TSS-1R electrodynamic tether, and the loss of the attached satellite. Figure 8 shows the burned, frayed and broken tether end still attached to the Shuttle after the break. Incidentally, the tether continued arcing long after it and its satellite were drifting free, until finally it went into night conditions where the electron density was insufficient to sustain the arc. - Page 27

NASA could have prevented this from breaking had they installed a CIRCUIT BREAKER for a few hundred dollars... but the all knowing NASA scientists figured it couldn't generate enough energy to be an issue... so no circuit breaker   Result? Lose a $100 million satellite instead

Feb. 25 after the 12 mile tether began producing electricity an unexpected overload in electrical energy fluctuating between 2 and 10 times that which predicted due to inaccurate estimates in the electrical charge in the earths magnetic field, ionosphere, and possibly space radiation fried the tethers conductor cable and it broke severing it from the space shuttle..."

EARLY FINDINGS FROM TETHERED SATELLITE MISSION
POINT TO REVAMPING OF SPACE PHYSICS THEORIES
RELEASE: 96-43

Numerous space physics and plasma theories are being revised or overturned by data gathered during the Tethered Satellite System Reflight (TSS-1R) experiments on Space Shuttle Columbia's STS-75 mission last March.

Models, accepted by scientists for more than 30 years, are incorrect and must be rewritten. This assessment follows analysis by a joint U.S.-Italian Tethered Satellite investigating team of the information gathered during the mission.

Source: Marshal  Marshall Space Flight Center, Press Release

Using a hand-held camera system with image intensifiers and special filters, the TOP investigation will provide visual data that may allow scientists to answer a variety of questions concerning tether dynamics and optical effects generated by TSS-1R. In particular, this experiment will examine the high-voltage plasma sheath surrounding the satellite...

In one mode of operation, the current developed in the Tethered Satellite System is closed by using electron accelerators to return electrons to the plasma surrounding the orbiter. The interaction between these electron beams and the plasma is not well understood...

Associate Investigator: Stephen Mende, Lockheed Martin

On 8 meter plasma balls




I also have all the data on the NAVY TETHER that flew AT THE SAME TIME and was up there for two + years. They fired lasers at it from Hawaii and Kirtland as a proff of concept for power transmission (power collected from the tether)

[zorgon]

Report: Direct from NASA

The electric conductor of the tether was a copper braid wound around a nylon string. It was encased in teflon-like insulation, with an outer cover of kevlar, a tough plastic also used in bullet-proof vests, all this inside a nylon sheath. The culprit turned out to be the innermost core, made of a porous material which, during its manufacture, trapped many bubbles of air, at atmospheric pressure.

Later vacuum-chamber experiments suggested that the unwinding of the reel uncovered pinholes in the insulation. That in itself would not have caused a major problem, because the ionosphere around the tether, under normal circumstance, was too rarefied to divert much of the current. However, the air trapped in the insulation changed that. As it bubbled out of the pinholes, the high voltage ("electric pressure") of the nearby tether, about 3500 volts, converted it into a plasma (in a way similar to the ignition of a fluorescent tube), a relatively dense one and therefore a much better conductor of electricity.

    The instruments aboard the tether satelite showed that this plasma diverted through the pinhole about 1 ampere, a current comparable to that of a 100-watt bulb (but at 3500 volts!), to the metal of the shuttle and from there to the ionospheric return circuit. That current was enough to melt the cable.

As the broken end whipped away from the shuttle, the plasma established electric contact with the ionosphere directly. The satellite on the distant end monitored the current: after about half a minute it stopped, then it reignited and flowed again for about another half minute, stopping for good when (presumably) all the trapped air was gone.

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wtether.html

So NOT reflected sunlight but fluorescent tube effect of a 100 watt bulb with 3500 volts

Direct from NASA

[JimO]

The STS-48 zigzagger is the most famous 'shuttle UFO video" and my thorough documentation of the prosaic nature of the event is here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf

That's what any full-fledged investigation of other events would be modeled after.

If that's not going to be adequate, we ought to say so now and save a lot of wasted effort.

So -- going into the sts-80 and sts-75 cases, is everybody satisfied that my sts-48 report contains adequate documentation to establish the prosaic nature of that video?

[JimO]

So NOT reflected sunlight but fluorescent tube effect of a 100 watt bulb with 3500 volts

Second request: Was this video taken in day time or night time, and how long after the tether break?

Of all of the ground observers of the tether, how many saw it while it was in Earth's shadow? Zero?

[zorgon]

Tether viewed from Earth Australia






NAVY tether  22 August 1997
TiPS tether survival: 1 year, 63 days and counting!


The images were gathered using a 1.5 meter telescope at the Air Force's Starfire Optical Range at the Air Force Research Laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate, Kirtland AFB.  The images were gathered starting one minute after the separation of the two end bodies on day 172, 10:34 GMT. These observations corroborated the deployment length vs. time measurements made on board TiPS.

I received permission from the NAVY to repost the entire data set as they since deleted most of the old files








All the NAVY data is here, including the laser firing clip

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Electrodynamic_01.html

The two LASER stations involved...


Air Force Maui Optical Station (AMOS)


Starfire Optical Range, Directed Energy Directorate, Kirtland AFB


...yeah yeah I know  DEW's don't exist


Courtesy of Directed Energy Directorate, US Air Force
Starfire Optical Range Firing Lasers, Kirtland AFB


Courtesy of Directed Energy Directorate, US Air Force
Air Force Maui Optical Station (AMOS)
© 1996, Naval Research Laboratory

[JimO]

...The glow is NOT reflected sunlight... it was a sustained plasma arc, the circuit completed by the gases generated by the cable shielding that creates a small 'atmosphere' along the tether allowing the arc to continue

.... the tether continued arcing long after it and its satellite were drifting free, until finally it went into night conditions where the electron density was insufficient to sustain the arc. - Page 27

Instruments detected the presence of the plasma sheath, but even the source you cite states the plasma sheath vanished once the tether went into shadow. So HOW do you interpret as proving the luminosity of the tether was glowing plasma and not simply sunlight, if nobody ever reported seeing it WITHOUT sunlight on it?

[zorgon]

Of all of the ground observers of the tether, how many saw it while it was in Earth's shadow? Zero?

I have no idea how many saw it from the ground I would imagine many seeing as it was glowing

Since the NASA report says that once it moved out of the sunlight the charge dropped so the sustained plasma  arc stopped...

That would make your question moot...

[JimO]

Tether viewed from Earth Australia

Good link, but you neglected to address the OP's commentary about nuts claiming the glow was due to plasma.

[ex]
Countless people make absurd claims that an electrical cable 2.54mm in diameter should not be visible from Earth, or 100 nautical miles from an image intensified Space Shuttle camera. All kinds of exotic pseudo-scientific theories exist, but they all focus on just one dimension - the diameter (not surprisingly, because it is the smallest). They never take into account the length, and hence the SURFACE AREA. It doesn't take a genius to calculate the 'visible' surface area of the Tether, look up the Solar Constant in space, estimate the albedo of the white nomex jacket, and calculate how many kW of light this object reflected. Anyone who does so will find there is no mystery whatsoever.

For those who refuse to see sense, then consider the YES2 Tether, which holds the record for the largest man-made orbiting structure visible from Earth. This Tether was not even electrically conductive, and so was incapable of emitting light by any means other than reflection. Furthermore, it was even thinner than the STS-75 tether!

There is no need for ridiculous theories about free energy, or gross misunderstandings concerning 'plasma sheaths' when proof exists of a simple plastic Tether being visible from Earth. Look it up, do the math and put the nonsense to bed once and for all please.
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