Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[JimO]

From day 4.

As far as I can tell the water dump is done at mid deck up front and the FES unit handles cooling, maybe in the rear. Still looking for its details! As soon as the cargo bays open they usually shut it off. From what I read they turned it on plus the pee/water dump and did their best to wet the bay. How else can anyone read that? ....

Pretty good work, thanks for showing willingness and ability to dig into this stuff. Seriously, this is very encouraging.

The FES in the aft compartment operates once the shuttle reaches vacuum until the payload doors are opened and thermal radiators deployed -- they then are the primary cooling method.

The main source of water to be dumped is the fuel cells, that make the electricity the shuttle needs. Some of that by-product water is kept for drinking and washing, most is then dumped out a set of valves on the left side of the crew cabin. However, on space station visits  -- where water is also used as a source of breathing oxygen -- shuttle fuel cell water was pumped into plastic containers and carried onto the station.

The STS-75 mission had many microgravity processing experiments that needed minimum disturbances, like the main water valve can cause. So the FES system was used to dump water -- an alternate method -- and as reported, it was activated many times for an hour or so each time.

None of those dumps go into the payload bay to any measurable degree. But as videos of typical dumps show, while most of the ice chips zip away, there are plenty that bounce back into the vicinity of the shuttle for awhile.

The issue now is WHEN on FD08 the FES dumps occurred. I'm asking for that information.

I'd sure like to discover there was such a dump preceding the second tether observation, the 'swarm'. But I'll report on what I find either way.   

[JimO]

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So what is all of this telling me so far. Yes they sprayed a lot of water in space on the launch window eve. If the ice crystals hug the ship as you say they do then I can't understand yet why there are no ICE/Critters in the launch/break video. This was just hours before the tether launch. Yes/No? So no critters or Ice to talk about during the launch. Hum!
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I think I misunderstood what you meant by "launch", which we use to refer to shuttle blastoff. Your comments make more sense if you were referring to the TSS-1R deployment [we don't 'launch' rockets from the shuttle, we deploy them and LATER their engines ignite at a safe distance]. So the presence or absence of dots at other times in the videos is a good test of the ice theory, depending on WHEN the FES was being activated.

[Sinny]

29 pages in an we're discussing ICE.

Haha.

[ArMaP]

We are not talking about flashing... we are talking about throbbing..

Isn't that the same thing, just at a different speed?

like this HUGE 'ice crystal' on NASA's own mission control screen  Odlly enough... NASA is watching thi 'tiny ice crystal' that seemd to fill their entire screen... and IT is throbbing ( or pulsing) like we are talking about

Everything on a huge screen looks huge, saying that the ice crystal is HUGE is misleading. And to me it doesn't look like it fills the screen, it looks like we are seeing maybe 1/4 of the screen.

[ArMaP]

29 pages in an we're discussing ICE.

Ice is cool.

And discussing ice sure is better than discuss politics.

[Sinny]

I'm a dumb 20  something  and even I can tell you that 'flashing' and 'throbbing' are two different things.

[Sinny]

Ice is cool.

And discussing ice sure is better than discuss politics.

I had faith in you ArMaP,  I'm starting to loose it.

[ArMaP]

I'm a dumb 20  something  and even I can tell you that 'flashing' and 'throbbing' are two different things.

OK, could you explain the difference to me? Thanks in advance.

[ArMaP]

I had faith in you ArMaP,  I'm starting to loose it.

Faith? In what sense?

[Sinny]

OK, could you explain the difference to me? Thanks in advance.

Dictionary definitions will do.

ETA: Sorry ArMap, I forgot English is not your first language.
As far as I'm concerned, if something 'flashes', it emits a burst of light, If something 'throbs' the object in question has expanded..

[Sinny]

Faith? In what sense?

In the sense that I never thought you'd have a higher opinion of Obergs 'ice particles' than that of the importance of politics.. But it appears your proving me wrong.

Ice particles or Bonafide aliens, there's only one way to change this planet, and that's by removing our parasites!

[ArMaP]

ETA: Sorry ArMap, I forgot English is not your first language.

It's not, and many times I have a hard time understanding what people mean.

As far as I'm concerned, if something 'flashes', it emits a burst of light, If something 'throbs' the object in question has expanded..

Expanded? That's interesting, as that's the first time I have seen it interpreted like that.

Thanks.

[ArMaP]

In the sense that I never thought you'd have a higher opinion of Obergs 'ice particles' than that of the importance of politics.. But it appears your proving me wrong.

I didn't say that, I said "discussing politics".

To me, politics is something to be active about, not to be discussed, as when people discuss it they are usually just trying to convince the other person of their own opinions.

But having said that, this discussion about ice also looks like one of those discussions, but at least I see the possibility of learning something out of this one.

Ice particles or Bonafide aliens, there's only one way to change this planet, and that's by removing our parasites!

True, but discussing it is something people have been doing for decades and look where we are now.

But that's a discussion for another thread.

[Sinny]

I wonder if we'll be having the 'Ice particle/alien/critter' discussion in a few decades...(?)

[ArMaP]

I wonder if we'll be having the 'Ice particle/alien/critter' discussion in a few decades...(?)

Who knows?