Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[1967sander]

 

[deuem]

Sanders, If you stop they win, just stay on target and together we will figure it out. Going down swinging is better than just standing there and striking out. Jim likes to toss insults around, I now have a shoe box of them. I feel proud of them. Means I might be learning or teaching. I/We need to figure out exactly which things are which and why they act the way they do.

If they really are critters then we will get there and I doubt if we really proved it beyond question that Jim would go there!

So he is on his side of the No Critter coin and you are on the other and for the time being say I am on the edge looking both ways.

We need one win at a time here. We do have one win I think. I am told the tether is a 12 mile straight line yet in all photos it shows a ball at each end. Even the astronauts said there was a ball at the leading end and they were there. Now, to see a ball on the leading end means it is curled up there. How much is in question but for every foot the thing is balled up it changes my equations.

Ground control has a way of testing it to see the length of the wire. Even Luke knows how to do this. That is not sci-fi but the science of electricity. Yet they can not tell how long it actually measures in a photo. Unless someone has that data we might have to guess also. So that is a small win, I think! Now we move to the next problem(s) and go from there.

If you could examine just the ball end and give us a clear photo of it that would Ice the cake.
( yes another Ice joke )

We need to agree on a NASA time frame. That they call out. When it is not in zoom.

Remember what one NASA guy said, They didn't lie about it, they lie about everything! Why would you expect NASA to come out and just say. By the way world, there are alien critters up there the size of city blocks and they eat our upper atmosphere. The world would go wacko in a hearthbeat. It is wacko enough with out this data on top. So maybe what they do to us is in the best interest of Joe public and not for us. See we want to know, Joe public wants dancing with stars and a pay check.

Sanders, I think just hitting Jim with your programs work is even harder than with mine. Your work is so complicated that most people would need to take a course from you on just how to understand what you are doing. What we are doing now a days is so out of the normal that we actually need a new word away from the word Processing. People have a preconceived meaning of that word because of all the YouTube crap processing going on there and think we fit in because we also use that word.

Unless someone understands what they are looking at, they will never understand your results. We both need to inch up on it. Step by step. Like doing my shades of black with A51 and what I see/you see stuff.  If you could confirm 100% what an Ice crystal is as a standard and then work it we would have a standard in the book. I can also run the same crystal and add to the book. Then we see what is different. Food for thought. Hey, I know what both of us do and even I sit back and scratch my head in disbelief. We are breaking ground at a public level that should not be broke and it is down right scary at times. Some of the new stuff we recently ran is out right out of this world. So hard to understand it and I did it myself. So what is Joe Public going to understand?

[JimO]

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Ground control has a way of testing it to see the length of the wire. Even Luke knows how to do this. That is not sci-fi but the science of electricity. ...

What method? Hoffman was giving info on the angular size, and you correctly pointed out this has to be adjusted for pitch angle. That's why I want to obtain and distribute relative position plots.

Remember what one NASA guy said, They didn't lie about it, they lie about everything!  ...

No, I don't remember, please remind me. And where can I verify it's not just another internet confabulation?

[JimO]

As I've told my friend Ed Mitchell and others, outer space is so unearthly and so promising of surprises that we need a legion of wild theorists swarming the edges of the "known unknown" and trying to establish the detection and existence of any "unknown unknowns." D, your work is valuable and I don't want to imply i'm discouraging it, when I criticize what I see are flaws in methodology and logic. Only if enough scouts are scouring way out there TRYING to prove weird stuff, will we have any chance of noticing it when it DOES occur -- as it has before, and will continue to do so, on this forever frontier. The odds are, MOST of those scouts will be on wild space goose chases and will fail, but their role is still vital. They succeed in reminding us to always be mentally prepared to be astonished and to not judge the next 'far-out theory' on the track records of the previous hundreds. I'll pass on all the hard data I can obtain and you've already seen me doing that without reservation. 

[Elvis Hendrix]

   So how come all these "ice particles" are the same shape ?
   round with a hole in the middle and a notch out the side.



  I mean youd think ice would be random shapes wouldn't you?



   Oh look , NASA seem very interested in this one!
   they have it on the big screen! you think theyd never seen ice before!



  Round , hole , notch..





And oh look!
This pesky one is STILL BEHIND.

[1967sander]

Sanders, If you stop they win, just stay on target and together we will figure it out.

Who said that I would stop? I am collecting (more) evidence, that's all. As you know most projects I work(ed) on took many years of research. This one willl not be different. Its is just a matter of time till the truth comes out.

Now A51watcher and Bob Lazar UFO videos ask for my full attention. The U.S. has a secret UFO program and with each new video the net closes more. Expect new videos in HD soon made from digital recordings from 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Jimbo probably will categorize them as reflections or stars.

[deuem]

What method? Hoffman was giving info on the angular size, and you correctly pointed out this has to be adjusted for pitch angle. That's why I want to obtain and distribute relative position plots.

I am only talking about the broken length of the cable which was presented to NASA by someone on the team and now I misplaced that statement. But no matter it has nothing to do with the visual photos. We are dealing with a 12.? mile cable no matter if it is straight or balled up. But we do know that the leading end is balled. STS even mentioned this several time in the tapes. How much ?  My guess is that some scientist at NASA must have this answer. If you could shake that tree it would help. Right now we only know it had a ball at the broken end. I think there is some corkscrewing also that would take up even more length. And by the way JIM. the more the cork screw the better your argument so I don't understand why you are fighting this and not getting to the bottom. So even if they were Alien Ice Critters, they would be a lot smaller than 4 miles across.

I don't have the name of the guy that said that but maybe someone here does. It is a common internet saying. You Know, from the "Never A Straight Answer" guys you used to work for.

And yes you have been good at obtaining stuff without reservation. A kudu for you.

Now if you took your criticism and turned it around to be teaching, more people might like it better. And I know if it wasn't for Engineers and scientists then we would have never got in space to begin with. So yea, we always knock at the next door.  Sometimes a wild goose chase gets you a goose and you have dinner that night. With each moment in history the future gets to be more wild by the moment and the chase more difficult.

[deuem]

I leave this clown to you guys. I am not interested in reading anymore of this crap ... um pee. 

Sorry Sanders I read this as if you were bailing out of this thread. I stand corrected. Please excuse me.

Elvis. I see you found the Giff at ATS, your first snap shot. For reasons with in this thread about my secrete process, I will not be using it here. But I just want you to know that none of them worked up the same and the ATS shot looks like frozen water on the lens. It works out very flat. Which it should be. I am trying to work out what happens once the Ice is in free float. In the swarm video there are many levels of events going on. This is the chore ahead of us.

I have a really nice juicy print done that if I worked at NASA and understood what Deuem does I would hang that puppy on my wall for all to see. I am debating with my self rather to release it or not. I can tell you it is 100% real and very fascinating to view. Right off the NASA tapes Jim gave us.

[JimO]

   So how come all these "ice particles" are the same shape ?
   round with a hole in the middle and a notch out the side......

EXCELLENT question, but doesn't go far enough.

How come the notches on all the circles are clocked depending on WHERE the circle is on the field of view? Note that circles with different notch clocking, as they move across the same zones, assume identical notch clocking to all other circles that had previously passed there.

If the clocking is directly related to position in the camera's eye, then the most reasonable deduction is that the notch is an artifact a some feature of the camera optics. That's why they look AND ACT alike.

And your theory is....?

ADD: Here's the video that shows this is happening. Watch it to confirm the assertion is true. Then explain it otherwise than by a camera artifact.

[JimO]

   Oh look , NASA seem very interested in this one!
   they have it on the big screen! you think theyd never seen ice before!

Interesting, what's the origin of this image? Date, time of broadcast so it can be verified.

What? You just saw some anonymous poster stick it on the internet and you figured that made it reliable? How nice for you.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Interesting, what's the origin of this image? Date, time of broadcast so it can be verified.

What? You just saw some anonymous poster stick it on the internet and you figured that made it reliable? How nice for you.

You tell me Jim, you work for NASA.
You seem to know more than me.
But you know just like me that this is not ice.
But I guess we all need our paycheque.
I know I need mine.

[JimO]

You tell me Jim, you work for NASA.
You seem to know more than me.
But you know just like me that this is not ice.
But I guess we all need our paycheque.
I know I need mine.

Ever notice how quickly the clueless revert to the kneejerk get-out-of-reality-free cards to demonize motives of  people whose arguments they can't rationally refute, or when they can't provide checkable evidence when challenged?  That shouldn't have to said about YOU. So let's talk verifiable evidence here.  Please start over again and provide such evidence.

[JimO]

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I don't have the name of the guy that said that but maybe someone here does. It is a common internet saying. You Know, from the "Never A Straight Answer" guys you used to work for.
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How many straight answers have YOU seen on this thread, except from me, and from you.

BTW, you do know that I'm a jen-you-wine 'NASA whistleblower' on safety culture decay, don't you? Went to Congress. Walked out of my day job. Watched them march off the cliff and kill a second shuttle crew. That's when I got my dream job consulting with NBC on space and got to do amazing stuff like touring North Korea's space bases. 

[1967sander]

Been part of the "do not need to know" myself, I know that we are not told everything. NASA is not a civil but military organisation, her missions guided and controlled by the DoD and NASA solely acts on behalf of the U.S. Department of Defense. NASA has and is still being used to deploy spysatellites and is involved in other military missions as well. Many of these missions and their payloads have never been reported to the United Nations. That is also fact. Why would I or anyone trust a whistleblower from a military organisation? If you really are a genuine whistleblower and not a paid disinfo-agent you should have joined Snowden (my hero) and expose NASA's secrets. My instinct however warns me that I should never trust you and that the only purpose you have is to cause trouble on forums like this and your main goal is to distract people  from other more important subjects. Hence the 99 questions. Why am I saying this, because I sense trouble.

[JimO]

Been part of the "do not need to know" myself, I know that we are not told everything. NASA is not a civil but military organisation, her missions guided and controlled by the DoD and NASA solely acts on behalf of the U.S. Department of Defense. NASA has and is still being used to deploy spysatellites and is involved in other military missions as well. Many of these missions and their payloads have never been reported to the United Nations. That is also fact. Why would I or anyone trust a whistleblower from a military organisation? If you really are a genuine whistleblower and not a paid disinfo-agent you should have joined Snowden (my hero) and expose NASA's secrets. My instinct however warns me that I should never trust you and that the only purpose you have is to cause trouble on forums like this and your main goal is to distract people  from other more important subjects. Hence the 99 questions. Why am I saying this, because I sense trouble.

The English of which is, no, you're not going to provide any verifiable evidence, you're gonna do a distractionary dance of malevolent mud-slinging because you know that your peers are suckers for such gimmicks. Feel free to show your empty hand, and bluff away. I'm working on more insider data about this fascinating case we all want to understand better.