Roswell UFO Crash: There Were 2 Crashes, Not 1, Says Ex-Air Force Official

[Ellirium113]

That scenario does not take into account that the radar trick may have taken them by surprise the first time, but doubtful it would work again.

Deuem has seen claims that a missile without electronics on board (and possibly a non metallic hull) did the trick while they were occupies with new radar they did not realize we had.


Keep an open mind and continue to explore. We have no hard facts on what really caused it.

Even the original speculation of lightning could turn out to be true in the end.

Indeed, my mind gets blown wide open quite regularly here. 

I find it interesting that it would be assumed aliens would be adopting counter-measures to our technology. Obviously they have a vested interest in something on/in/around  this planet if they would go to such lengths to be able to carry out their agenda among a hornet's nest of human activities. why have they not experienced any crashes due to other EM interferences from deliberate EMP weapons? Surely they do not know every ace up our sleeve. I still think we would have aqquired a larger amount of alien craft if they were at all susceptable to this sort of thing.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

The cause, as I've stated before from my source: Interdimensional light speed + Van Allen Radiation Belt + Space Debris, don't mix....

[A51Watcher]

Shot it down with an EMP weapon, really??
With you there, Sinny...
FB.

FB -

Apparently you are also with her on cryptic one liners.

Please enlighten us on what spectrum the navigation and links to the propulsion system operate in and what shielding these systems have against interference.

[A51Watcher]

well why can't both scenarios be true....?

Exactly sky.

I know you are a proponent of the inter- dimensional theory, and at this point since no one knows for SURE, that scenario is possible.

We are all attempting to examine the puzzle pieces in our shoebox, and see which fit and are most probable.



 

[sky otter]

A51

it's not so much that i am an proponent of either
i just haven't rulled ANYTHING out..

i think both scenarios have a high probability of truth
but neither has the smoking gun proof everyone seems to want

i laugh at the phrase   photos or it didn't happen..
they aren't even allowed in court as proof anymore

and personal experience are questioned because of witness bias and general inability
to objectively report..not even mentioning the fake attention folk

so searching through the stuff that surfaces is all that is left and even then the argument is true or fake and it all only continues to makes circles

so i'm open to all of it being possible and waiting for either to come up and explaine it to me in person..
sooooooooooooooooooooo
i'll just go back to the garden and wait while you guys fight it out

when (and not if) i get my contact..i'll let ya know who came first







edit..if only i could speel...sigh

[deuem]

The more we or they rely on technical equipment the more it can be taken out with simple tech until you know what you are up against.

People are taken out by a microscopic virus. And so on. Until you have a defense against that thorn, you can die very fast. Even if you are 1/2 million years ahead of us.

They simply had no freaking idea on what we did to them. They had to go back to the black board and figure it out. Humans can be very creative when we need to save our butts. When a society gets to a point that it has everything it ever dreamed of then creativity goes away. There is no longer a need for it. Remember, Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, YEA!, we shot them down and they never knew what hit them. Rather that was the best thing to do is up to time to tell. 

[A51Watcher]

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from Ellirium113 -

Ellerium, let me ask a question; according to Bob Lazar there are 6 or 7 different craft at S-4; also supposed to be another S area that has been mentioned; so, how many do we think we are supposed to have? I can think of at least 3+ more from other countries around the world that have been reported...


seeker

Well, Sgt. Clifford Stone claims to have catalogued over 20 different species of aliens. While I do not doubt the existence of aliens, I do also speculate that some captured or recovered craft could be man made. If we look back at the Nazi UFO myths there were many variants created, same with the drawings we have all seen from AVRO. Could Bob have known that all of these craft were ET? How many other countries could have reverse engineered a craft? It is alleged even the Nazi's recovered and reverse engineered a craft in addition to creating their own from exotic technology developed on earth. I think in this day and age that if there truly is over 20+ different species of aliens each with multiple variants of UFO's we would have in our possession far more than a mere handful given the advancement of our weaponry. 

[A51Watcher]

Seeker -

Just a point of clarification -

Bob said there were a total of nine craft in our possession at S4, each a different shape.

The 'assortment pack' he said.


However he was told that they ALL use element 115 propulsion technology.


I'm pretty sure that quote was in this interview -







 

[A51Watcher]

The cause, as I've stated before from my source: Interdimensional light speed + Van Allen Radiation Belt + Space Debris, don't mix....

Very interesting puzzle piece there Sarge.

So he's saying they got a flat tire before they even made it to earth?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

My point. The ship(s) May have been hit with a special radar or may have been shot down with a new high tech weapon (late 1940's super weapon) Or maybe driving while intoxicated, I don't know at this point. I will say Dr. Resnick told me his source informed him of the inter-dimensional warping & coming into contact with debris in the Van Allen belt. One craft was damaged. He told me he couldn't reveal his source until after the source has passed away.

[The Seeker]

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Well, Sgt. Clifford Stone claims to have catalogued over 20 different species of aliens. While I do not doubt the existence of aliens, I do also speculate that some captured or recovered craft could be man made. If we look back at the Nazi UFO myths there were many variants created, same with the drawings we have all seen from AVRO. Could Bob have known that all of these craft were ET? How many other countries could have reverse engineered a craft? It is alleged even the Nazi's recovered and reverse engineered a craft in addition to creating their own from exotic technology developed on earth. I think in this day and age that if there truly is over 20+ different species of aliens each with multiple variants of UFO's we would have in our possession far more than a mere handful given the advancement of our weaponry.

Actually, from a conversation I had with Clifford during his thread run over at Spookz, it is 57 different races; and again, how, unless far more whistle-blowers come forth, are we to know how many are squirreled away?

I have been told that the US facility down in Oz at Pine Gap is :A.) 97% underground ,B.) a very large S-4 like area. C.) and a hot bed of activities/sightings that are never reported to the outside world; Alice Springs is a sleepy little town that survives mostly from commerce with or about Pine Gap...

whether this is true or not I have no way of knowing, but it is a difficult place to gather info about...

Then there is Dugway Proving Ground in Utah; also just recently heard about(not edwards air force base but) Edwards North...

Last item is why are 80% of our orbital star wars systems pointed away from earth?

seeker

[The Seeker]

Seeker -

Just a point of clarification -

Bob said there were a total of nine craft in our possession at S4, each a different shape.

The 'assortment pack' he said.


However he was told that they ALL use element 115 propulsion technology.


I'm pretty sure that quote was in this interview -

I stand corrected, sir; upon reviewing my data, it is 9 


seeker

[deuem]

I don't think it matters much if there are 20 different aliens or 57 of them. If there is just 1, we are not alone and our little world is no longer all by itself. And we have been lyied to all these years. Lets not forget that.

[astr0144]

Hi Sinny,

I think that I can see  that you may have a barrier of not having found the evidence that you have been searching for ,in terms of not as yet having found any believable beyond a doubt that ET either exist or has visited.

I think that We certainly have seen several examples of what seems high possibilities that there are things that have been shown or discussed that is as good as it can get...BUT without any true beyond a doubt proof. Maybe such as close up video or photographic visual evidence..

With A51 and Bob Lazar and others claims...that certainly to me suggest that highly advanced craft beyond what is generally known could exist.

Without us actually witnessing this personally...we may still have some doubts....But I think PRC has done as well as is what we are likely to get for the time being in suggesting that it has higher than average evidence possibilities to be truth.

Matrix's work & descriptions seems hard not to believe..BUT I will say that I am disappointed that so far we have not seen visual evidence as great as his work suggests..Seeing what he has shown so far..I would find it hard maybe now not to believe him...

I am not 100% convinced as yet myself without seeing beyond doubt visual evidence, but what I have seen within the last 2 years on PRC has certainly been  quite incredible in my opinion..

I just hope that time will show or convince us more in the near future.

Can I ask what does AUP stand for ?

I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.

I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.

I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation

A51,

Do you recall  or can you briefly explain what a Terrestrial alien  is described as ?

Pimander started a great thread here making the case for Terrestrial aliens being here as opposed to Extraterrestrial aliens being here.

[A51Watcher]

Do you recall  or can you briefly explain what a Terrestrial alien  is described as ?

Even better, here is Pimander's thread on the subject -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.0



As you can see, breathing oxygen is one of the big underpinnings of this theory.

One member then created a thread on oxygen found recently on several stars within 30 light years as I recall.

Also in the last few weeks there has been some announcements from our latest deep field views of finding a lot more earth like planets with oxygen also.

The other problem would have to be microbial, for those not acclimated to our local biosphere and having the needed local antibodies to deal with them.

Could their technology deal with them via a vaccine?


The primary question - if we have terrestrial aliens who have been here (probably longer than us) is - where are their bases?

Underground or underwater?