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[WarToad]

How You liking those nits You're picking?

How do you like those broad baseless assumptions you make?

[ArMaP]

How You liking those nits You're picking?

Well, maybe a need a little English lesson.

Could you please explain what "Like the homeless CHOSE to go homeless" is referring to?
Is it referring to all homeless in general or is it referring to a specific part?

You see, in Portuguese, when we say something like "Like the homeless CHOSE to go homeless" we are referring to all in general, as the subject of the sentence (homeless) is not specifying any specific sub-category of the subject.

Thanks in advance for a possible explanation.

[deuem]

Well, maybe a need a little English lesson.

Could you please explain what "Like the homeless CHOOSE to go homeless" is referring to?
Is it referring to all homeless in general or is it referring to a specific part?

Writing this "Like the homeless CHOOSE to go homeless" is a sarcastic statement in English ArMaP.
Meaning that they did not get to this position willingly. Very few people in the world [IMHO] would willingly want to be homeless, especially families. But being homeless can happen to any family from a variety of reasons. Like a Tornado that took out your entire Village or Town, including where you worked. Some people also just give up on the problems of life and seek out an existence in this arena. We used to call them Hobos.

Like you want [me] to step in front of a moving car?

Like you want [me] to drink poison?

Neither of which you would want to have happen but do, no matter how hard you try and avoid them it happens to people without choice.[/me][/me]

[Sinny]

I'm currrently raising awareness for the anti- homless 'spikes' campaign in the UK.

'Anti-Homless' spikes have been rolled out by large corporations,  and councils. 
The tactic utilises spiked floors and surfaces to discourage settlement of a Homeless person.

I haven't gone into the history yet, but these thing may already be in place in America too... especially considering at least one state is criminalising helping the poor. Pure evil legislation.

[WarToad]

Writing this "Like the homeless CHOOSE to go homeless" is a sarcastic statement in English ArMaP.
Meaning that they did not get to this position willingly.

And this is what ArMaP and I disagree with.  There are plenty of homeless who put themselves in that position either by choice of dropping out of society, or just bad choices that landed them homeless by their own fault.  Bad choice is still a choice.

Like I said before, I think there are more "hard luck" homeless than homeless out of choice.  But to make a broad wide sweeping statement that all homeless are somehow innocent victims .... that's just either ignorant or delusional.

[ArMaP]

Writing this "Like the homeless CHOOSE to go homeless" is a sarcastic statement in English ArMaP.

Thanks for the explanation.

But I understand that part, the part to which I responded was the use of the "the homeless", as, to me, that points to "the homeless" as a whole, meaning all of the homeless and not a just a part, even if it's the majority.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

[Littleenki]

I'm currrently raising awareness for the anti- homless 'spikes' campaign in the UK.

'Anti-Homless' spikes have been rolled out by large corporations,  and councils. 
The tactic utilises spiked floors and surfaces to discourage settlement of a Homeless person.

I haven't gone into the history yet, but these thing may already be in place in America too... especially considering at least one state is criminalising helping the poor. Pure evil legislation.

All the benches on our local beach have dividers to keep them (homeless presumably)from laying down on them..sad...it is here.

[Amaterasu]

Well, maybe a need a little English lesson.

Could you please explain what "Like the homeless CHOSE to go homeless" is referring to?
Is it referring to all homeless in general or is it referring to a specific part?

You see, in Portuguese, when we say something like "Like the homeless CHOSE to go homeless" we are referring to all in general, as the subject of the sentence (homeless) is not specifying any specific sub-category of the subject.

Thanks in advance for a possible explanation.

Yes, all in general, not withstanding the exceptions.  VIRTUALLY all homeless DID NOT make that choice.  Situations forced Them into homelessness.

[ArMaP]

Yes, all in general, not withstanding the exceptions.

Ah, the exceptions...

VIRTUALLY all homeless DID NOT make that choice.  Situations forced Them into homelessness.

I don't know how's the situation in the US (but I'm sure someone can provide some statistics about it), but the last Portuguese statistics about it (from 2009) I could find are like this:

Of the 2,133 people identified as homeless, 33.1% were in that situation because of "family rupture" (I don't know if there's a better expression for that, that's the direct translation), 22.3% because of unemployment and 20.8% because of personal reasons.

In case someone is interested in it, here's the link to the newspaper article (in Portuguese) where I found these numbers.

Edit: I found some statistics from the US. 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I guess maybe I shouldn't comment on this cause I'll probably upset some people but here goes. There's no way I cannot find a way to support myself and my family. There's no way I cannot find a job. It may not be the job I want or prefer but I will find work. I've never been on government assistance because I'm a free man capable of taking care of myself. I've lost jobs before. I found a job 100 miles away. I would get up at 4:00 am and drive to work, work a 12 hr shift, drive home, spend an hour with my family then go work at a gas station in the evening. And I still was barely making what I was before. The point is where there is a will there's a way.

There are those that are weak, that succumb to the stress of life and surrender. I understand that some people need help. Most major cities have shelters. Talk to the people that actually work there. They'll tell you that a great number don't want to stay in shelters they'd prefer to roam and panhandle. The free life. Single women with children are entirely different situation.

I can tell you this if I owned a business I wouldn't won't these people camping in front of my store chasing away business, deficating everywhere and littering.

[deuem]

Maybe a bad thing but the Homeless stats need to be put in a chart for the reason why. People are sent homeless for many reasons.

Fire, Tornado's, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, War and so on. These are the unlucky. The Dis-placed!

Ones that make bad mistakes in life from greed or bad decisions. This includes things like gambling and drug addiction.

Ones that just drop out of life because they are tired of the system of work-pay, work-pay. Achieve no gain.

And others that no matter how hard they try can not get accepted back into life.

Ones that have a mental problem and no hospital will help them.

Onse that have a disability. No arms or no legs or blind with no help.

Some get to this point and just, simply like it and stay there. No work, no bills little worries.

The scary thing about being homeless, is that any one of us can be put in that position in a few minutes. It is like dieing, we are all only a few heartbeats away from it at any given point in time. Just nobody knows what the future holds for each person.

Not counting the dis-placed homeless, The true Homeless problem is for the people that have given up on life or life gave up on them and they can't get out of it no matter what they try and do. It seems like this is a case where you need a whip in one hand and a bible in the other. Who gets which hand is left up to society.

[astr0144]

Id say that was quite a accurate description Deuem,

I agree that it can happen to most average people who have little support from elsewhere (Family, Friends) due to various reasons that you describe.

Anyone who gets some sort of mental problems who does not want to chance disclosing it to their Doctors , employers or who ever, could end up almost feeling helpless and soon fall into despair...The Stress that some people have to endure at times can certainly take its toll, even the strongest of us...let alone the weaker people...

Burn out has been another concern that due to what may seem to the individual to seem extreme overwork or stressful conditions can take it out of some...

What may seem stress to some may seems normal to others.

From my generation, if one had to work beyond normal 8 hrs that may have felt a concern unless one wanted overtime...

The later generations who have had to compete much harder in recent years...and work jobs that are longer hours etc...may have no problems with it...BUT who knows if they continue at it , they may also later burn out...

If any of us run into any mental or certain psychological issues, I am sure many of us would not want to admit it or to want to see a Doctor and have it on our records..As things are now some employers may look at ones medical records for such things and avoid employing anyone who does not meet their requirements....

NONE of us who have been used to what seemed normal conditions want to have to work harder or take other jobs if we can help it, I am sure ...

But I know that many do and will in order to maintain their standard of living and help their family if they are able to do so..

[Amaterasu]

I guess maybe I shouldn't comment on this cause I'll probably upset some people but here goes. There's no way I cannot find a way to support myself and my family. There's no way I cannot find a job. It may not be the job I want or prefer but I will find work. I've never been on government assistance because I'm a free man capable of taking care of myself. I've lost jobs before. I found a job 100 miles away. I would get up at 4:00 am and drive to work, work a 12 hr shift, drive home, spend an hour with my family then go work at a gas station in the evening. And I still was barely making what I was before. The point is where there is a will there's a way.

When One has lost EVERYTHING, has no car (would You be driving that car if You had lost that before a job offer was proffered?), is arthritic and CAN'T do most jobs, is old competing with 20- and 30-somethings, in this economy, having the will does NOT equal a way.  75000+ applications and 8 years after losing My last job, believing all the while that the next app will be the job I get, having an INTENSE will to make it happen, the way has not shown itself.  If not for the best of friends (Thor), I would be homeless - and was for nearly a year.

Don't buy the crap about will and way.  Many DIE not finding that way despite a very strong will.  Just because You were lucky enough (lucky to be strong enough, young enough, still having a car to use, lucky to click with a prospective employer, to have work You can do be in demand) does NOT mean that We ALL are that lucky.  It's poor logic to presume that YOUR luck equates to a lack of will on the part of Those far less lucky.

If there are 100 People, all with extremely strong will to find a way, and there are 90 ways (jobs/opportunities), 10 WILL NOT SUCCEED.  Period.

There are those that are weak, that succumb to the stress of life and surrender. I understand that some people need help. Most major cities have shelters. Talk to the people that actually work there. They'll tell you that a great number don't want to stay in shelters they'd prefer to roam and panhandle. The free life. Single women with children are entirely different situation.

Having actually BEEN in several shelters, I'll tell You right now, MOST are looking for work, many are displaced from "The American Dream" by such things as Thor is fighting:  house grabs by the banks.  MOST lost jobs and can't find new ones.  MOST have no interest in "panhandling."  They want Their lives back.

I can tell you this if I owned a business I wouldn't won't these people camping in front of my store chasing away business, deficating everywhere and littering.

So Let's solve for poverty.  Since just now on this planet We have what it would take to do so.

[astr0144]

I can understand views similar to Sarge, for people who have or are able to deal ok with Life's stresses OK as to how they may feel..and yes if I was a business owner, I would not be happy with Homeless sleeping in the front door of my business...

I suspect that sometimes, yes that we would have some who sleep there could dirty the place...especially if they get drunk or end up on drugs, But also a Lot do have some respect not to do so.

My opinion today in the UK where I live and probably in the USA and many Countries now...is that they have opened up the Immigration laws to allow people in to replace those who have either not agreed to go along and take low paid work...or to replace the workforce where skills and abilities had become lost due to the long periods of recession that took their toll over the last 30 years..

For myself and my generation, I find it an insult to my own race / people who have been given much less chances in life and have had to allow others to come in and replace them...As for many of the immigrants, they have or had not too long ago found better conditions...and better work than maybe what they had within there own country.

Yes, they may be very good hard workers,many certainly are an employers dream.. yes they may be nice people and yes they may make our economy better...and yes some are better qualified or cleverer than many of our own people. and some no doubt benefit the country and economy in many other ways.

BUT My believe is that our Governments have destroyed many of its original race of people...That now their  options are now of taking low paid unsatisfying work , competing with younger and other races of people even for low paid work..of which employers still treat poorly and want their moneys worth and in some cases work them just as hard for low pay where burn out for the older people is an issue in trying to keep up...and being felt or left feeling destroyed and humiliated.

The Governments past decisions in order to obtain low cost labour has left its own people for a set period untrained and trained to accept low pay and to accept immigration as the norm..

Admittedly a LOT of its own people have welcomed it and accepted it..
But its also a threat to many ...

I suppose its OK until it may happen to us, or the individual, then we may start to reconsider..

I am Sure anyone in other countries would equally feel similar if it was happening to them and their people...

Something has gone badly wrong in my opinion in recent years, or maybe it is a punishment for past history...coming back to haunt its people...

Where I live now in parts has almost become a series of various cultures that 25 years ago, was a whole different set of similar race of  people...
Now in parts, I think that I am the foreigner...When I go to London..I just can not believe how many different nationalities that I see living there....and NOT just tourists..

The way its going the British white race will be severely reduced by the next generation....and I find that a huge concern..

[Amaterasu]

I don't like the "race" card.  We are all Humans on this planet, and governments should not be basing Their choices on "race."  We are the HUMAN race, with mild variations amongst Us (color, size, formation of the same features, etc.).

As long as We divide Ourselves ("race," country, etc.), We WILL be conquered.