Antarctica sets new record for sea ice area

[rdunk]

So, can we suppose that "if" global warming is actually occurring, maybe it only applies to the upper half of this sphere we live on, since there is record ice to the south??

I suppose hell will have to freeze over before most of the global warming preachers would admit to their fallacy of thought. On the basis of track record, even then, they would probably credit "global warming" as the reason of cause for hell freezing over!!!!!!!!!!!! 

The first link is an interesting read, and the second link has data pics and graphs that can be clicked on  for detail views.

http://talkingabouttheweather.wordpress.com/2014/06/29/antarctica-sets-new-record-for-sea-ice/

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

[ArMaP]

So, can we suppose that "if" global warming is actually occurring, maybe it only applies to the upper half of this sphere we live on, since there is record ice to the south??

I think that's possible, and if true that it shows that global warming is not a result of the action of the Sun, as that would affect both hemispheres in the same way.

[rdunk]

I think that's possible, and if true that it shows that global warming is not a result of the action of the Sun, as that would affect both hemispheres in the same way.

ArMaP, I understand your statement of thought, but...............the Sun is absolutely the Earth's external warming heater. Without it, this hunk we live on would be very very cold - assuming that the molten sub-surface interior would do very little toward actually warming the surface.

Of course, the Sun's heating properties are influenced by the orbital position of the Earth, which relates directly to the hot to cold seasons of the Earth areas. Different areas of the earth even have the differing seasons at opposite times of the year because of Earth's positional relationship to the Sun. So, for normal wether patterns, there are differing times of the year for the Sun's warming/cooling influence on the various parts of our hemisphere anyway.

But we possibly should take note when record icing levels are depicted in the collection of data. According to the article, satellite measurement of polar ice first began 1979, so this is the new all-time (35 year) record high.

Only time will tell, but, such could be prolonged-over-time indicators of a move into a very long term cold period for this Earth - happenings as noted in the ice-core sample data, which has also been discussed in other threads here.

[ArMaP]

Of course, the Sun's heating properties are influenced by the orbital position of the Earth, which relates directly to the hot to cold seasons of the Earth areas. Different areas of the earth even have the differing seasons at opposite times of the year because of Earth's positional relationship to the Sun. So, for normal wether patterns, there are differing times of the year for the Sun's warming/cooling influence on the various parts of our hemisphere anyway.

Yes, there differences between the north and south hemispheres, resulting from the fact that Earth's axis of rotation is not perpendicular to the orbit's plane, so if the Sun is getting warmer (for example), that should affect both hemispheres in the same way, not affect one more than the other.

But we possibly should take note when record icing levels are depicted in the collection of data. According to the article, satellite measurement of polar ice first began 1979, so this is the new all-time (35 year) record high.

Yes, we have too little data for really knowing anything related to climate, as, by definition, climate is something that happens on the long run.

But that high is for the south pole, if you look at the data from the north pole you will see that it shows the opposite effect, with a decline of size of the ice area, that's why I said that I don't think an external source would make a result that that.

Only time will tell, but, such could be prolonged-over-time indicators of a move into a very long term cold period for this Earth - happenings as noted in the ice-core sample data, which has also been discussed in other threads here.

That's for sure, time will tell, but it will probably tell us many years from now.

[Amaterasu]

Not sure if this means anything, ArMaP...

From:  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-volume-up-50-from-last-year/

CryoSat shows Arctic sea ice volume up 50% from last year
Posted on February 5, 2014   by Anthony Watts

Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.

The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice – a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012.

So...  Who to believe....?

[ArMaP]

So...  Who to believe....?

They can both be right, as the link posted by rdunk talks about ice area and the one you posted about ice volume, and you can see that, even if the area was the same (hard to tell just by those images), the thickness was bigger.

[Amaterasu]

The point being, ArMaP, that the ice at BOTH poles is growing - in thickness or in area covered. 

[ArMaP]

The point being, ArMaP, that the ice at BOTH poles is growing - in thickness or in area covered.

Where did you see that the south pole ice thickness increased?

[Amaterasu]

Where did You read Me saying it did?

The N. pole is thickening, the S. pole is widening.  Either way, the amount of ice is increasing at both poles.

[ArMaP]

Where did You read Me saying it did?

The N. pole is thickening, the S. pole is widening.  Either way, the amount of ice is increasing at both poles.

A bigger area doesn't mean more ice, that's why I thought you were talking about thickening on the South Pole too, as that's the only sure measure of an increase in volume.

[Amaterasu]

Well then.  It is reverse of what You said before?  The NORTH pole is getting ice and the SOUTH pole is merely spreading its ice farther (getting thinner in the process, I might presume?)?

[ArMaP]

Well then.  It is reverse of what You said before?  The NORTH pole is getting ice and the SOUTH pole is merely spreading its ice farther (getting thinner in the process, I might presume?)?

It may be the reverse, I haven't seen enough data.

The link you posted says that there was an increase on the volume of the ice when compared with the previous autumn, but, from what I understood of what they say in the article, that's a new satellite, so they don't have more data and can only compare the last two years.

As for the south pole, with only the area we cannot really know if it's thinner coverage or the same thickness and a bigger area, I suppose we need a second satellite to study the south pole.

[Amaterasu]

Well, ArMaP, whether We have data for decades or just two years, the north pole gained more ice this year than last.  This suggests surely that no "runaway global warming" is happening ala Al Gore.  But I agree it's too little data to ascertain any pattern.

As for the south pole...  If the area of icing increases, either 1) there is more ice there or, 2) the ice is thinning  to spread out.  Just saying.  Which do YOU think it is?

[sky otter]

hummmmmmmmmmm
i wonder if this could be connected....naw probably just one of those co-winkie-dink things


An entire island nation is preparing to evacuate to Fiji before they sink into the Pacific

14 hr ago |By Gwynn Guilford of Quartz

This has to be the weirdest business deal of the week: The Church of England just sold a chunk of forest-covered land on the Fijian island Vanau Levu for $8.8 million to the government of the Pacific island nation of Kiribati. For the moment, Kiribati plans to use its 20-square-kilometer (7.7-square-mile) plot for agriculture and fish farming. But the investment is really a fallback for its 103,000 residents—a place to live if they must leave their home island.

"We would hope not to put everyone on [this] one piece of land, but if it became absolutely necessary, yes, we could do it," president Anote Tong told the Associated Press, via the Guardian. Tong is awaiting parliamentary approval of the land purchase before clearing that possibility formally with Fiji's officials.

Why is Tong preparing for a mass defection to an island 2,000 kilometers away?

The seas around Kiribati's 32 atolls (ring-shaped coral reefs) are rising 1.2 centimeters (0.5 inches) a year—about four times faster than the global average—thanks to the flux of ocean currents. Some experts think that by 2100, the country will have disappeared beneath the waves. That may be optimistic; some residents expect the sea to subsume their homes within 20 or 30 years.

That's a grim outlook. But the present isn't exactly peachy either. With its atolls no more than about three meters (9.8 feet) above sea level, Kiribati currently faces periodic food shortages thanks largely to rising tides. Not only does rampant flooding caused by spring tides destroy homes and businesses, but it also increases the salt content of the soil, ravaging crops and tainting fresh water sources. On top of that, coral bleaching caused by the heating of ocean waters has decimated the marine ecosystems built off those reefs, driving fish away. That's why one of the short-term advantages of the purchase of the Vanau Levu plot is that it should help secure food supply for Kiribati's residents.



The situation has gotten so bad that some Kiribati residents have tried to claim asylum in New Zealand, arguing that the burning of fossil fuels by industrial countries is a form of persecution against people vulnerable to its consequences. So far, courts have dismissed these arguments for emigration, which may be why the Kiribati government is opting for the investment route instead.

The people of Kiribati might have been the first to make these claims, but they probably won't be the last; recent estimates predict that the number of "climate refugees"—people displaced by the effects of global warming—will reach 700 million by 2050.


http://news.msn.com/world/an-entire-island-nation-is-preparing-to-evacuate-to-fiji-before-they-sink-into-the-pacific-1

[ArMaP]

Well, ArMaP, whether We have data for decades or just two years, the north pole gained more ice this year than last.

This suggests surely that no "runaway global warming" is happening ala Al Gore.

I don't really know Al Gore's version, as I ignore politicians' opinions.

As for the south pole...  If the area of icing increases, either 1) there is more ice there or, 2) the ice is thinning  to spread out.  Just saying.  Which do YOU think it is?

I don't have any idea of which of those it could be, and, apparently, neither do the scientists, and that's why they launched that new satellite to measure the thickness of the ice layer.

I suppose that, once more, time will tell.